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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:53 PM Apr 2016

GOP Would Support Turning Interstate Highways Into Toll Road System.

Bush supported the idea of making the national interstate highway system into toll roads. Rather than raise taxes to pay for road repairs the GOP would support privatizing the entire system letting whatever multinational corporation buy rights and run it. They believe that ALL the commons should be private or corporate owned and that government has no place in the commons.

With the GOP in power such privatization would become a reality. Also it is part of their secret agenda to privatize all our security, police and fire fighting systems letting corporations runs them. Some municipalities in Great Britain have already turned their security to corporate operation under conservative government.

So a trip from NY to LA under private toll roads would be rather costly. Such a system would favor only those people who can pay.

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GOP Would Support Turning Interstate Highways Into Toll Road System. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 OP
Make the stupid proles pay more, more more to our corporate overlords - Republican platform AxionExcel Apr 2016 #1
That's what our tools did - built all the new highways malaise Apr 2016 #2
It's really disgusting TheFarseer Apr 2016 #3
Daley was the mayor who sold off the meters. Ace Rothstein Apr 2016 #21
I researched this and you are correct, however TheFarseer Apr 2016 #25
It is truly a terrible deal. Ace Rothstein Apr 2016 #32
It doesn't always work as planned. cloudbase Apr 2016 #4
The first problem to come to mind if highways are privatized HeiressofBickworth Apr 2016 #5
I think the new "trade" agreements will be coming after public commons like roads and post offices. djean111 Apr 2016 #6
K&R and here is a 5th rec to the greatest page Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #7
Good. We need smart tolls on our highways, like countries like France and Norway have had for years. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #8
Wow, that's Hillaryous lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #13
Yep. Those Norwegians are such evil capitalists (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #17
Except the ones here don't subsidize public transport Major Nikon Apr 2016 #16
No, they go to line the pockets of corporations alarimer Apr 2016 #18
I don't think privatizing the entire system is the same as "smart tolls" LanternWaste Apr 2016 #23
oh goody another regressive tax dembotoz Apr 2016 #9
That's an anarcho-capitalist piece of tosh. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #10
Where are toll roads most common? Fumesucker Apr 2016 #11
Oklahoma has more miles of toll roads than any blue state Major Nikon Apr 2016 #15
Not really an accurate statement. Glassunion Apr 2016 #20
They're also figuring out how to charge for breathing air lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #12
In the Dallas metroplex instead of building HOA lanes they are turning them into toll roads Major Nikon Apr 2016 #14
when my brother came up from Texas to visit me I took him to our New Haven Green, CTyankee Apr 2016 #24
And it's private property! KamaAina Apr 2016 #27
I know. People have to get permits from this group for its use such as demonstrations, etc. CTyankee Apr 2016 #31
Worked well in the 19th Century, right? One_Life_To_Give Apr 2016 #19
Republicans have never been against raising taxes on the middle to lower class Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #22
No, no no, you don't understand. louis-t Apr 2016 #26
Repairs will still not be made, as corporations extract the maximum profit from roads built..... LongTomH Apr 2016 #28
Lest we forget... 2naSalit Apr 2016 #29
Great 4Q2u2 Apr 2016 #30
The GOP is at it again robertgodardfromnj Apr 2016 #33

malaise

(269,157 posts)
2. That's what our tools did - built all the new highways
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

as toll roads so the vast majority of the population can't afford to use them.

They also agreed not to upgrade main thoroughfares and the foreign owners are allowed to increase the rates with every devaluation of the currency. French and Chinese companies now own our highways.

TheFarseer

(9,325 posts)
3. It's really disgusting
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

they want to sell off our national assets and piss it away on tax cuts for people that don't need a tax cut. Even worse, a bunch of people on DU support this too. I assume they don't live near interstates. Even worse, some Democrats support this kind of stuff. Rahm Emanuel selling off the parking meters in Chicago is not so different than selling the interstate. This cannot be tolerated. There's nothing keeping the interstate from ultimately ending up in the hands of a foreign company or even a foreign government and what kind of country do you have when you have to pay tribute to a foreign government to travel within your own borders! In 1805, we declared to the Barbary Pirates, "Millions for Defense but not one cent for tribute" and now that has become "Millions for tribute but not one cent to fix the roads." It's just unbelievable.

Ace Rothstein

(3,183 posts)
21. Daley was the mayor who sold off the meters.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

Daley also sold the Chicago Skyway. I think that has gone from a $2 toll to $4.50 in 10 yeas.

TheFarseer

(9,325 posts)
25. I researched this and you are correct, however
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

The Chicago Reader claims when Emanuel took over, he worked against the city's efforts to get out of the deal even while telling the press he wanted the city to get out of the deal. Weird stuff.

Ace Rothstein

(3,183 posts)
32. It is truly a terrible deal.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

The revenue that the city threw away will end up being multiples of what they received for the deal.

cloudbase

(5,524 posts)
4. It doesn't always work as planned.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

March 11, 2016

A toll road in Texas declared bankruptcy last week, raising concern about tolling’s long-term viability. The 41-mile State Highway 130 project was the Lone Star State’s first public private partnership tolling deal, which served as a symbol of the Texas Department of Transportation’s overall plan to add toll booths to every freeway. It flopped.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
5. The first problem to come to mind if highways are privatized
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

is that the new corporate owner will take the profits and neglect maintenance. After a number of years, when the highways become nearly impassable and profits dry up, they will fold up their tents and slither away, leaving the US with no resources to repair and maintain the highways. The US will be left with the ultimate problem of having to completely reconstruct a national highway system. There is absolutely no good to come of privatizing highways.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. I think the new "trade" agreements will be coming after public commons like roads and post offices.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

And whatever schools are left. basically, as I understand it, anything that can be privatized will be privatized if at all possible, if there is a private profit to be made.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
8. Good. We need smart tolls on our highways, like countries like France and Norway have had for years.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

Tolls are good for the environment, can be used to subsidize public transport, and allow those actually using the highways to pay to maintain and improve them.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
16. Except the ones here don't subsidize public transport
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

And you're already paying once to maintain them through fuel taxes.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
18. No, they go to line the pockets of corporations
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

Often foreign corporations. Not that location matters much to multi-nationals.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. I don't think privatizing the entire system is the same as "smart tolls"
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

I don't think privatizing the entire system (implicit premise in OP) is the same in either process or application as in countries like France and Norway (your Norwegian allegation seems exceptionally lacking in relevant context if contrasted to private development).

You may want to review your source material to better understand the precise and relevant differences between the particular European governments application of toll systems versus that of private contractors.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
10. That's an anarcho-capitalist piece of tosh.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:48 AM
Apr 2016

. . . along with arming citizens and saying "that's your law enforcement". You know, SENSIBLE stuff!

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. Where are toll roads most common?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

The Northeast which are mostly blue states, toll roads are still fairly rare down here in Dixie.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
20. Not really an accurate statement.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

We seem to have a lot but no more than other regions that have toll roads.

From north of the original Mason - Dixon line, number of active toll roads
PA: 6
DE: 2
NJ: 3
NY: 3
CT: 0
RI: 0
MA: 1
VT: 0
NH: 3
ME: 1


South of the original Mason - Dixon line, number of active toll roads
AL: 4
FL: 24
GA: 1
KY: 0
LA: 0
MD: 1
MS: 0
NC: 1
SC: 2
TN: 0
VA: 9
WV: 1

If you add OK and TX there are 36 more toll roads.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
14. In the Dallas metroplex instead of building HOA lanes they are turning them into toll roads
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

Most of the Dallas outer loop is a toll road, named the George Bush (after poppa Bush).

Pretty much all new controlled access roads I see being built in Texas are toll roads. So their looneytarian vision is already happening. Soon there will be a coin slot at every stoplight.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
24. when my brother came up from Texas to visit me I took him to our New Haven Green,
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:54 AM
Apr 2016

a commons dating back to New Haven's founding in the 17th century (the Green is smack dab in the middle of New Haven) and he was amazed that such a thing existed, for the pleasure and gentle use of walkers, cyclists and whoever wants to sit on a park bench on their lunch hour.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
27. And it's private property!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

In classic New England fashion, the Green is owned by a shadowy, secretive group called "the Proprietors". I always thought that would make a nice movie treatment.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
31. I know. People have to get permits from this group for its use such as demonstrations, etc.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

Under our last mayor, the city sold a street to Yale and i don't know how that could even happen.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
19. Worked well in the 19th Century, right?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

Not exactly a new idea here. The US has been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. IT also made for a stable currency as Turnpike bonds were often used to transact buisiness. That would save us from having to print and coin US currency. Better yet Uncle Sam could put a toll booth on the Mississipi and other navigable waters. That would give us loads to spend on things like defence. So we can figure out how to get a 60ton M1A1 and it's support equipment to travel down a private turnpike optimized to carry 1.5ton commuter vehicles.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
22. Republicans have never been against raising taxes on the middle to lower class
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016

I'm bewildered that they get to claim to be the party against raising taxes.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
28. Repairs will still not be made, as corporations extract the maximum profit from roads built.....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

....with taxpayer monies, while returning as little as possible. The same thing happened with privatization of electric grids in some states; rates went through the roof, and blackouts still happened.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
29. Lest we forget...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

Toll roads, what a crock!

Bridge collapse jumpstarts turnpike upgrades

A comprehensive plan to address safety and capacity issues on the Connecticut Turnpike did not progress beyond the initial planning stages until the collapse of the Mianus River Bridge on June 28, 1983.[6] Following the collapse, governor William A. O'Neill initiated an $8 billion program to rehabilitate Connecticut's highways. Included in this program was the inspection and repair of the Turnpike's nearly 300 bridges and overpasses. Furthermore, Governor O'Neill directed the Connecticut Department of Transportation to develop a viable plan for addressing safety and congestion on the state's roads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Turnpike#Bridge_collapse_jumpstarts_turnpike_upgrades


One of my coworkers was in one of those semis...

Collapse

The bridge had a 100-foot (30.5 m) section of its deck of its northbound span collapse on June 28, 1983. Three people were killed when two cars and two tractor-trailers [1] fell with the bridge into the Mianus River 70 feet (21.3 m) below; three were seriously injured.[2]
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Causes

The collapse was caused by the failure of two pin and hanger assemblies that held the deck in place on the outer side of the bridge. Rust formed within the bearing of the pin, exerting a force on the hanger which was beyond design limits for the retaining clamps. It forced the hanger on the inside part of the expansion joint at the southeast corner off the end of the pin that was holding it, and the load was shifted to outside hanger. The extra load on the remaining hanger started a fatigue crack at a sharp corner on the pin. When it failed catastrophically, the deck was supported at just three corners. When two heavy trucks and a car entered the section, the remaining expansion joint failed, and the deck crashed into the river below.

The ensuing investigation cited corrosion from water buildup due to inadequate drainage as a cause. During road mending some 10 years before, the highway drains had been deliberately blocked and the crew failed to unblock them when the road work was completed.[4] Rainwater leaked down through the pin bearings, causing them to rust. The outer bearings were fracture-critical and non-redundant, a design flaw of this particular type of structure. The bearings were difficult to inspect close-up, although traces of rust could be seen near the affected bearings.

The incident was also blamed on inadequate inspection resources in the state of Connecticut. At the time of the disaster, the state had just 12 engineers, working in pairs, assigned to inspect 3,425 bridges. The collapse came despite the nationwide inspection procedures brought about by the collapse of the Silver Bridge in West Virginia in December 1967.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mianus_River_Bridge


Yeah, privatize everything so we all have to pay the rich for breathing... what it will come to if we don't stop them
 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
30. Great
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

So say some big foreign Country owns the road, say Saudi Arabia, and they do not like something we are about to do.
They shut the road down. What is the recourse?
I know I jest when I was using SA because I know our GOOD Friends and ALLIES would never do something to hurt the USA.

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