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ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:20 PM Apr 2016

New York drivers might get mandatory 'textalyzer' phone scans

New York drivers might get mandatory 'textalyzer' phone scans
by Jose Pagliery @Jose_Pagliery April 14, 2016: 6:30 PM ET

‘Textalyzers’ will help NYPD to determine if drivers were distracted by using their phones before an accident

If a proposed law passes the state legislature in New York, then drivers might soon be subject to on-the-spot analysis of their mobile phones to determine whether they were distracted by their devices in the run-up to accidents.

This new device called a “textalyzer” will help police determine whether drivers involved in the crash were being unlawfully distracted by their mobile phone.

New York Senator Terrence Murphy and Assembly Assistant Speaker Felix Ortiz have partnered with Distracted Operators Risk Casualties (DORC), an awareness organization, to propose a bill that would allow authorities to examine phones at an accident site.

(cont.) http://www.techworm.net/2016/04/police-get-textalyzers-check-phone-distracted-driving.html

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New York drivers might get mandatory 'textalyzer' phone scans (Original Post) ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 OP
Given how dangerous it is to drive while texting... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #1
Very interesting. We've had at least three kids within a few blocks of my home get snuffed . . . Journeyman Apr 2016 #2
As someone who was hit by a woman who I am sure was texting liberal N proud Apr 2016 #3
Subpoena the pbone records Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #33
She didn't have insurance liberal N proud Apr 2016 #34
And next we need a Foodalyzer to detect if they were eating at the time of the wreck NightWatcher Apr 2016 #4
Don't forget ake-up and 8-Tracks. Wilms Apr 2016 #5
Texting is about as dangerous as drinking when it comes to driving. Igel Apr 2016 #7
At least when you're drunk driving, someone's driving (comedian Marc Maron) NightWatcher Apr 2016 #9
They're looking for the time of the texts not the content. drm604 Apr 2016 #10
GOOD Skittles Apr 2016 #6
Smokers too Logical Apr 2016 #15
How would this apply to hands free texting? Egnever Apr 2016 #8
it'll send while driving? Mine will read the text, but to reply, ecstatic Apr 2016 #11
Yup will send as well as recieve Egnever Apr 2016 #12
Hands free phone use is just as distracting, there have been studies Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #13
So is breathing Egnever Apr 2016 #14
Breathing is distracting? ronnie624 Apr 2016 #16
It has been ridiculous. It's becoming a police state Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #17
What's ridiculous is... Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #19
Those tests are done on voice to text apps that require interaction with your phone Egnever Apr 2016 #24
Nope: Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #26
You are wrong Egnever Apr 2016 #27
Again, nope, you're wrong: Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #29
and the hits keep coming Egnever Apr 2016 #30
another gem from the other study you linked Egnever Apr 2016 #28
I don't think that is the case for texting, only for talking. YouDig Apr 2016 #20
Yes, it is, in fact Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #21
Wow, I didn't know that. I don't know how the voice-to-text thing works. YouDig Apr 2016 #22
Both of the apps tested require interaction with the phone Egnever Apr 2016 #23
Why don't you just drive and stay off everything? snooper2 Apr 2016 #25
How bout people actually read the studies Egnever Apr 2016 #31
how about people focus on driving instead of any other distraction? It isn't hard LOL snooper2 Apr 2016 #35
Well that answer just proves you didn't read past the headlines Egnever Apr 2016 #36
Nope, just on my rant about all distracted drivers...gets my goat.. snooper2 Apr 2016 #37
Cool you will be sure to not have any passengers in your car when you drive then Egnever Apr 2016 #38
I'll put a hands free disclaimer in 22 Font at bottom of sign if it makes you happy :) snooper2 Apr 2016 #39
What makes you think I am unhappy? Egnever Apr 2016 #40
I read the whole thing- I don't like invasive laws period. Same as if everyone has a breathalyzer snooper2 Apr 2016 #41
This would seem contrary to Riley v. California Orrex Apr 2016 #18
Sounds like bullshit to me. Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #32

Journeyman

(15,038 posts)
2. Very interesting. We've had at least three kids within a few blocks of my home get snuffed . . .
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

by distracted drivers. If there's reliable technology that can expose this on-the-spot, maybe it'll make all the idiots who text while driving reconsider such a hazardous act.

liberal N proud

(60,344 posts)
3. As someone who was hit by a woman who I am sure was texting
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

We need something to prove it

I say a am sure because I looked in my mirror seconds before the collision and saw that she had her head down. Never saw me and hit me at 45 MPH.

I couldn't prove anything though.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
33. Subpoena the pbone records
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:49 PM
Apr 2016

Im sure nothing was done because there isnt much to do.

She already got a ticket for the wreck, had her insurance go up, and probably paid a large deductable on her insurance.

Would a 100 ticket have made that big of a difference.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. And next we need a Foodalyzer to detect if they were eating at the time of the wreck
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016

Then a Starbucksalyzer to see if they were distracted by a $6 candy coffee drink.

Then a radioalyzer to make sure they weren't changing radio stations before the wreck.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
7. Texting is about as dangerous as drinking when it comes to driving.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

The others, not so much. Largely because they're much less common and tend not to occupy quite such long stretches of time.

Next up: Encryption that protects cell phones from being analyzed. "Sorry, officer, you can try to analyze my phone's text records, but they're encrypted. Gee, I guess you have no evidence. Sorry about the dead old person. It was an accident, I was paying attention the whole time. Oh. It's a kid. Didn't notice."

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. At least when you're drunk driving, someone's driving (comedian Marc Maron)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

All I meant was that texting is just the latest thing to distract you.

I don't get the cars that have the touchscreen computers right there in the console. That's asking for trouble as well.

Instead of testing or seizing the phone, subpoena the records to see if there were an accident in the middle of back and forth texting.

I fully expect technology to move us passed texting with our fingers while looking at the phone and before too long only voice texting and having the texts read to you by the car will be the norm.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
10. They're looking for the time of the texts not the content.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

I suppose that you could have a texting app that doesn't record times, but that wouldn't involve encryption.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
8. How would this apply to hands free texting?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

My phone reads and sends texts hands free in the car. How would this work with that?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
16. Breathing is distracting?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:20 AM
Apr 2016

I think you're making shit up.

There are plenty of studies that show conclusively, that using a cell phone while driving, dramatically increases the likelihood of an accident, perhaps even more so than consuming alcohol.

Anyone who kills or injures someone, as a result of texting and driving, should have the book thrown at them.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
17. It has been ridiculous. It's becoming a police state
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

[Xi plans to run the word with Chinese satellites. This looks like more Chinese bullshit on US soil to me]

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
19. What's ridiculous is...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

people who think they can drive and use the phone at the same time (and that they should have a right to). Hands-free mobile phone use (whether a voice call or hands-free texting) is just as much of a distraction and just as likely to cause an accident...again, there are studies: http://tti.tamu.edu/2013/04/23/voice-to-text-apps-offer-no-driving-safety-benefit-as-with-manual-texting-reaction-times-double/

So, you know, if you think you should be able to use a phone while driving anyway? You're either an idiot, or an asshole (there really isn't a third option there).

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
24. Those tests are done on voice to text apps that require interaction with your phone
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

not really a test of voice to text. My phone can be in my pocket and I never have to touch it. Not a valid study for the voice texting I am talking about.

from the study

More specifically, when the participant would pick up the cell phone to begin
each task, the experimenter pressed the “S” key to flag the data stream
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
27. You are wrong
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:18 PM
Apr 2016

Directly from the study you linked....

More specifically, when the participant would pick up the cell phone to begin
each task, the experimenter pressed the “S” key to flag the data stream
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
29. Again, nope, you're wrong:
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016
https://www.aaafoundation.org/sites/default/files/MeasuringCognitiveDistractions.pdf

Study above from AAA finds that using speech-to-text is more distracting than using a handheld phone (the text-to-speech device in this case being hands-free, as described in the study):

NaturalReader 10.0 software was used to simulate an interactive messaging service with text-to-speech features. Participants indicated friend names prior to beginning the study. These names were entered into a template containing generic e-mail and text messages (e.g., “Text from _____: ‘Hey! Let’s meet for lunch sometime this week. When are you free?’”). Participants were given a short list of commands (i.e., Repeat, Reply, Forward, Delete, Next Message) that were used in order for the messaging program to respond. The NaturalReader program was controlled by the experimenter who reacted to the participants’ verbal commands, mimicking a speech-detection system with perfect fidelity. If a participant did not use the correct command, the NaturalReader program would not continue.
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
30. and the hits keep coming
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

if you look at the results (I would copy them here but they don't format well.)

You will notice that test after test performance of hands free texting was equivalent to having a passenger in the car.

Or are you suggesting we should outlaw passengers as well?

Another thing of note the differences in reaction times were all under 100 milliseconds a period of time so small you cant even notice it under normal circumstances.

I love the way you keep changing studies though then claiming I am wrong about what the previous study documents.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
28. another gem from the other study you linked
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016
Test subjects solving math problems while memorizing a set of words in a simulated driving environment were operating under conditions similar to a 5.


Which basically makes the whole thing moot. As apparently daydreaming is worse than using the in car entertainment system. All of the systems came in under 5.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
20. I don't think that is the case for texting, only for talking.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

Texting while driving is much worse than just talking on the phone. You have to be looking at your phone for long enough to put together the message, it's not just about being distracted.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
23. Both of the apps tested require interaction with the phone
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

My phone does not require me to touch it. So not really valid studies.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
31. How bout people actually read the studies
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:45 PM
Apr 2016

and address the points made by them instead of not reading past the headline.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
35. how about people focus on driving instead of any other distraction? It isn't hard LOL
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

If you are that phone dickted turn it off before putting vehicle in gear...

My new hobby is seeing people next to me sit still when the light turns green. One one-thousand, Two one-thousand, Three one-thousand. HOOOOONK! They look behind them then left and right, then usually jet...

Lesson learned- one idiot at a time

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
37. Nope, just on my rant about all distracted drivers...gets my goat..
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

I'm half tempted to have a flashing neon sign the back door side windows of my truck-

STOP TEXTING ASSHOLE!

Illegal in some states, have to check Texas law

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
38. Cool you will be sure to not have any passengers in your car when you drive then
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

As hands free texting and having a passenger in the car produce roughly equivalent results in reaction times.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
40. What makes you think I am unhappy?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:08 PM
Apr 2016

A little discouraged that people don't read past click bait headlines perhaps but I have grown fairly used to that after the years here.


On a side note texting manually while driving is clearly dangerous. I have no argument with that whatsoever. I do want to know how they will differentiate that from hands free with this law as the research from the studies linked by my detractors in this thread show it is no more distracting than a passenger and sometimes less.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
41. I read the whole thing- I don't like invasive laws period. Same as if everyone has a breathalyzer
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

Slope- goes - down-

Pretty easy for cops to figure out texting-while-driving accidents as it is though... NO BRAKING!

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
32. Sounds like bullshit to me.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

Sure Ill hand you my phone. Too bad its locked. Go get a search warrant.

Imstead their response is to pull my drivers liscense, so Im guilty until proven innocent.

Easier option. Dont tell the cops you have a phone. Dont lue, just dont answer the question. Or keep your old phone on you. No text on this phone since 2014.

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