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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:26 AM Apr 2016

Poverty, Compounded

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/36381-poverty-compounded

it’s true that poverty affects people of all races, genders, and nationalities, but it’s also true that poverty—especially deep, persistent, intergenerational poverty—plagues some groups more than others. That’s because poverty isn’t just a matter of making too little money to pay the bills or living in a bad neighborhood—it’s about a series of circumstances and challenges that build upon each other, making it difficult to create stability and build wealth.

My colleague Derek Thompson wrote about this concept, which he termed “Total Inequality”—“the sum of the financial, psychological, and cultural disadvantages that come with poverty,” in his words. “Researchers cannot easily count up these disadvantages, and journalists cannot easily graph them,” he wrote. “But they might be the most important stories about why poverty persists across time and generations.”

Recently, the Brookings Institution published a report looking at the same idea but giving it a different name. The paper, builds on research from the British economist William Beveridge, who in 1942 proposed five types of poverty: squalor, ignorance, want, idleness, and disease. In modern terms, these could be defined as poverty related to housing, education, income, employment, and healthcare, respectively. Analyzing the 2014 American Community Survey, the paper’s co-authors, Richard Reeves, Edward Rodrigue, and Elizabeth Kneebone, found that half of Americans experience at least one of these types of poverty, and around 25 percent suffer from at least two.




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Poverty, Compounded (Original Post) eridani Apr 2016 OP
That doesn't do the data justice. Igel Apr 2016 #1
Interesting. I looked for my own circumstances and did not jwirr Apr 2016 #2
I always give way to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan on these issues.nt clarice Apr 2016 #3

Igel

(35,317 posts)
1. That doesn't do the data justice.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

It's a snapshot of a set of dynamic systems. The systems result in the current snapshot.

It's like taking a still-frame picture of a pool table. You can't tell what balls were moving in what direction or how fast they were moving. Perhaps they're all still? Perhaps just one or two are in motion. Are any spinning? Yet the positions are one part of the necessary description before you can make any predictions. You need to know about spin, you need to know about momentum. The snapshot doesn't get you very much.

You can't change the snapshot. You can only change the systems. We know that overall, the rate of change between wealthy groups and poor groups has been increasing: white, black, brown, each community is splitting and has been for 20 years. Race matters, but it's a declining part of the system. It's hard without the statistics to separate out the two components.

The systems are different for different race/SES groups. Latinos come out worse in the bottom analysis in the OP. On the other hand, they're also the most dynamic system. The current snapshot is due to a lot of recent immigration of poor, low education adults and young adults, which naturally results in disadvantages. Their kids have fewer, and if you break the non-monolithic Latino cohort into subcohorts you see this. Nobody likes doing this breakdown because it weakens progressive arguments, makes it clear that many social problems for many people are short-term and circumstance-contingent (and not something we can fix today). It also creates a new set of embarrassing arguments--the Latino population has bifurcated and where a Latino family lives seems to be helping to determine it's social trajectory. You immigrate and land in a mostly low-class neighborhood where the cultural indicators are one of the disadvantaging factors and there are no jobs locally and you're going to track more like that community. You land in a more mixed neighborhood or one that is mostly Latino and you track socially upward.

There's a low chance of going from the bottom to the top income quintile in the US. But there's a good chance for members of most low SES groups to go from the bottom to the other three quintiles; we don't like saying this because it's all about getting to the top, not just doing well or doing better. However, if you look at certain subcohorts the numbers fall; that's what this analysis tries to get at and fails to do adequately because it's ultimately about advocacy first and not description. The social mobility is good because it means that most of those with 4, 3, and 2 disadvantages will lose one in the next generation (while others have to gain one, at least on paper--if we all had an additional $100k in income beginning in 2017 there'd still be a lowest quintile). However, if we acknowledge that most of the people will naturally wind up in different quintiles it gives us advocates and progressives a weaker argument and makes us less important. Then there's the embarrassment felt because the members of those suffering from generational poverty tend to have a number of common factors that are simply not allowed to matter but which matter greatly. As other members of self-defined groups advance over the decades, those particular subcommunities don't.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
2. Interesting. I looked for my own circumstances and did not
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

find myself. But then not every family has a severely disabled child to care for.

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