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King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:19 AM Apr 2016

This is a reply I made to another discussion post (in excerpt highlight):

His/Her post:

You're even less than insignificant.


My reply: I love the screenplay dialogues in the movie "The Breakfast Club".

Wow !

This comment reminds me of the way in which the character "Bender" was
shamed and invalidated by the other kids in the movie. Here at DU, it could be
interpreted as a D-Bag statement of contempt, deserving of an alert. But why
waste our time ? This is what I have come to expect on DU.

These are my thoughts on the matter, which I want to make as an OP here ...

Here is a fictional example of the type of post you would least likely see on a
DU thread: "Oh, I see your point. I was wrong. Sorry."

This is what you are most likely to see, in general, in many of the discussion threads:

The need to be right (win an argument) vs the aspiration to find the best solutions
The unwillingness to concede even one inch in an argument (pride)
Getting in the last word -- people talking at each other -- the opposite of a
productive, adult conversation.
Bullying of those who don't cow to an established party line (litmus tests)
Snarky smugness disguised as cleverness.
Members pulling rank over those with less seniority and tenure
Undeserved, unprovoked insults
Lectors who love to hector
Quickness to judge but slow to understand
Assumptions of another person's motives. (the DU secret police surveillance team)
Cliques and Claques dominating discussions
Personalities placed before principles
Straining out the gnat while swallowing the camel (OMG -- a religious reference!)
Accusations made without merit, or based upon complete misinterpretations.
Pissing contests and rock fights

If we treat each other this rudely, how can we expect kindness and consideration
from people who are living outside our little circle ? How can this behavior attract
other people to the DU website and to our avowed brand of politics ? If it continues,
it will chase away many who are already here -- myself included. I have been a
resident here since the days of Bush v. Gore, and I would like to stay. DU, "The Daily
Show" and Colbert were my places to get reliable news and my daily dose of humor.

I am one who prefers listening more than I do speaking because I tend to learn more
when I am listening. However, the act of listening here has become nearly intolerable,
and I feel that I have one foot out the door already because of it. I am not certain
of the reason, but the primary election season has brought out the worst in some of us.

If you have the urge to accuse me of being a scold, or a prig, or self-righteous, or to
tell me good riddance, then my point is validated. But, this post isn't about me --
it's about the dysfunction at DU. This isn't a scolding; it is a plea for help. In the end,
DU could collapse under the weight of its own shortcomings if we allow them to go on
un-addressed.

Good night, and good luck.
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pampango

(24,692 posts)
1. "Oh, I see your point. I was wrong. Sorry." You're right. Never seen such a strange post here.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:40 AM
Apr 2016


The need to be right (win an argument) vs the aspiration to find the best solutions
The unwillingness to concede even one inch in an argument (pride)

Assumptions of another person's motives. (the DU secret police surveillance team)

As the Donald says "We will have so much winning if I get elected that you may get bored with the winning." It's all about winning rather than "finding the best solutions".

Conceding "even one inch" is LOSING. That is not WINNING. The Donald does not concede anything to LOSERS.

The ability of some DU'ers to ascertain the true motives of other posters is quite impressive. However, I don't view them as "the DU secret police surveillance team" but as our 'mind-reading team'. And their ability to read the minds of others must make them great negotiators which makes them WINNERS.

Great post, King_Klonopin. I think "Trump-itis" affects way too many of us even if we disagree with practically all of his policy positions.

But I hope you do not expect DU to change. "dysfunction at DU" has existed for years and peaks every 4 years during primary season. DU is what it is.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. I have admitted errors and apologized more than once. Sorry you missed those posts.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:42 AM
Apr 2016

However, most posters--and not only at DU- just either keep arguing or slink away silently.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. Your maturity is appreciated and a breath of fresh air.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:52 AM
Apr 2016

Sorry for my exaggeration on the nonexistence of such mature behavior. (Unfortunately 'exaggeration for effect' is another fairly common DU occurrence, as I just proved. Mea culpa.)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. Candidly, I would not go that far. I've been immature, too, but I have also apologized.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:59 AM
Apr 2016

But, thanks for thinking the best of me.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
5. It's easier to trash the group and put the offender on ignore
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:08 AM
Apr 2016

I just use the tools in the system to the best of my advantage. I have been blocked from a group for a general comment which didn't denigrate just because they didn't like it. When that happens, the group gets trashed and the person that blocked me is on ignore. Problem solved. The place looks much more civil when you handle it that way.

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
7. I know. It is a helpful suggestion.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:38 PM
Apr 2016

I don't like to see myself as thin-skinned, needing to avoid people.
I have used ignore only once (just added one today to make 2), but
the patterns I notice are becoming rampant. Too many threads are
getting hijacked -- not all, but many -- I wanted to make a plea for
some civility and self-restraint as politely as I could.

To be honest, I am surprised that no one posted a "good effing riddance"
or a "you don't matter anyway" response. I have seen it done to other
members who announced their departures.

Thanks for responding !

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
6. Since you've decided to call me out, I'll address your concerns here
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:27 AM
Apr 2016
If you have the urge to accuse me of being a scold, or a prig, or self-righteous, or to
tell me good riddance, then my point is validated. But, this post isn't about me --
it's about the dysfunction at DU. This isn't a scolding; it is a plea for help. In the end,
DU could collapse under the weight of its own shortcomings if we allow them to go on
un-addressed.
Well, first of all, you can't preemptively declare yourself impervious to criticism without embracing exactly the kind of I'm-right-you're-wrong attitude that you claim to reject. And your claimed fear of DU's collapse doesn't make you any less of a self-righteous scold, especially when you start a new thread to call me out for it.

You might consider refraining from accusations if you aren't going to bother understanding what you're complaining about. I have a long established record of publicly admitting when I am wrong, so although I have nothing to prove to you, I don't care to be held up as an example of All That Is Wrong in your noble quest to save DU from itself.

Despite your low post count, I see that you've been here for several years, so I'm surprised that you imagine the current atmosphere to be new, since it's certainly been like this for more than a decade at least.






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