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kentuck

(111,098 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:54 AM Apr 2016

"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime".

From Google:

The quote is a paraphrase from a line in Honoré de Balzac's tragicomic
novel "Le Père Goriot." Here is the quote in its original French:

"Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime
oublié, parce qu' il a été proprement fait."

Institut de Linguistique Française: Balzac
http://ancilla.unice.fr/~brunet/BALZAC/Go/Go254678.htm

An English translation:

"The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account
is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly
executed."

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I do not trust politicians that have accrued great fortunes.

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"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime". (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2016 OP
Especially when it takes so little work to uncover the cruelty and corruption involved hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #1
I'm not sure gollygee Apr 2016 #2
Who mentioned Hillary? kentuck Apr 2016 #3
I guess I've just read so many attacks for weird things against both Bernie and Hillary gollygee Apr 2016 #4
It's that "dead broke" to $200 mill + in 15 years that makes me suspicious. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #6
I think rich people have a different definition of "dead broke" than we do. N/t gollygee Apr 2016 #7
Hence, the unexplained. GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #13
As with many quotes... malthaussen Apr 2016 #5
What was the "great crime" that Bill Gates committed? Nitram Apr 2016 #8
Their great wealth is a consequence of an unfair economic system. hunter Apr 2016 #15
I left out hundreds of people. Nitram Apr 2016 #16
Hmph. I assumed that "behind every fortune there lies a great crime" Igel Apr 2016 #9
An absolute such as "only" admits no exceptions and cannot be termed a "generalization." Nitram Apr 2016 #18
Ab-so-fucking-lutely correct. nt JEB Apr 2016 #10
these accusations by innuendo are so dumb. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #11
Next time someone boasts that he got rich through hard work, KamaAina Apr 2016 #12
We know that was true of the robber barons and I think it jwirr Apr 2016 #14
I wonder what J.K. Rowling is guilty of... ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #17
That's right, Rowling finished her first novel when she was an unemployed single mother. Nitram Apr 2016 #19
And unlike many of the wealthy TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #20

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. I'm not sure
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:07 AM
Apr 2016

It's a nice quote, and I can understand the feeling behind it. It says "for which you are at a loss to account" and that's probably more true. Like if you meet someone and they suddenly are rich but have no explanation, then there's probably something going on. But Hillary worked as a high power lawyer for a long time and made investments. It isn't unexplained.

There has been a relationship between wealth and power in this country forever. I like the idea of having a President who has lived more like I've lived. I think he would have perspective that would help him. But Bill Clinton didn't grow up wealthy. I don't know how wealthy President Obama was growing up. But as much as I like voting for people who haven't been wealthy their whole lives, it isn't necessarily an indication of crime or corruption, and it is a longstanding tradition in the US and most places for power to follow wealth. Not a tradition I'm happy with, but it's normal, not strange.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
4. I guess I've just read so many attacks for weird things against both Bernie and Hillary
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

That it's what I expect at this point.

malthaussen

(17,200 posts)
5. As with many quotes...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:41 AM
Apr 2016

... the popular version does not convey the meaning of the original. Which might lead one to observe that if there were no convenient aphorism for an occasion, it would be necessary to invent one.

-- Mal

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
8. What was the "great crime" that Bill Gates committed?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

Warren Buffett? The Beatles? Yes, the Robber Barons, monopolists, war profiteers, and others built their fortunes based on crimes. But many fortunes were made legitimately.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
15. Their great wealth is a consequence of an unfair economic system.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

And, oh, I think you left out J.K. Rowling.

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are economic predators. Thankfully I'm not forced to buy any of their bullshit.

The music industry is very predatory. For every successful artist there are dozens more dropped like used cigarettes and smashed into the dirt, their flame permanently extinguished.

Nothing wrong with being comfortably wealthy by way of one's art, invention, and other creativity, but I don't think there should be any billionaires. Most are a drag on society. Many are criminal. They all ought to be taxed out of existence.

Income taxes ought to be steeply progressive, well above 50% at ten times the minimum wage and 90% at twenty times. It ought to be possible to shelter windfall income such as an athlete might make, so that they may spend it later when their athletic career is over, but estate taxes would be high.

Corporate taxes should be high too, encouraging redistribution of profits to employees, improvements in working conditions, and facility upgrades that reduce energy use, resource use, and pollution.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
16. I left out hundreds of people.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:24 PM
Apr 2016

Those who prosper in an unfair economic system have not necessarily committed any crime at all, not to mention a "great crime." Words actually have meaning, you know.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
9. Hmph. I assumed that "behind every fortune there lies a great crime"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

was the original.

Instead of an ideologized version by those who can't handle the original.

It disposes of the "But look at so-and-so's fortune, it was earned" comeback and the "but they must have done something bad, so all we have to do is find the cause and label it for the crime it has to be." Sort of Aristotelian deduction reduced to an absurdity (like *that* never happens), and which has labeled as crimes a lot of non-crimes, or done nothing but foster paranoia and suspicion. (Not that some people don't luv them some paranoia and suspicion.)


At the same time, it's a generalization. Not every great fortune without a visible cause needs to trace back to a great crime. I can imagine cases where there's a licit cause, but not one that a private person feels like trumpeting about. Given the social climate for the last 40 years, if I found a way of making a billion dollars I'd change very few things in my life and certainly wouldn't publicize it. It would just invite abuse, insult, suspicion; people prying into my personal life; and it would attract those with hands out asking for more or, more recently, guilting me for more and making demands, from every corner. All the "don't judge me" and "don't preach" people suddenly put on judges' or ministers' robes (which are oddly similar, don't you think?).

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
18. An absolute such as "only" admits no exceptions and cannot be termed a "generalization."
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

If the quote used the word "most" instead, that would make it a generalization. As it is, it is hyperbole.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
17. I wonder what J.K. Rowling is guilty of...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

Hers is a pretty great fortune (and her personal story is also rather impressive).

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
19. That's right, Rowling finished her first novel when she was an unemployed single mother.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

She didn't cheat, lie, or steal to achieve her fame and fortune.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,192 posts)
20. And unlike many of the wealthy
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

she is fine with paying her substantial taxes in the UK.

"I am indebted to the British welfare state; the very one that Mr. Cameron would like to replace with charity handouts. When my life hit rock bottom, that safety net, threadbare though it had become under John Major’s Government, was there to break the fall. I cannot help feeling, therefore, that it would have been contemptible to scarper for the West Indies at the first sniff of a seven-figure royalty cheque. This, if you like, is my notion of patriotism."

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