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think

(11,641 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:39 AM Apr 2016

It’s Far Harder To Change Parties In New York Than In Any Other State

It’s Far Harder To Change Parties In New York Than In Any Other State

By LEAH LIBRESCO - 2016 ELECTION 6:30 AM APR 19, 2016

Some of Bernie Sanders’s biggest supporters may not be able to vote for him in New York’s primary on Tuesday. Unaffiliated voters are a big share of Sanders’s support, but New York makes it hard for voters to register for a party at the last minute. For example, Erica Garner, daughter of Eric Garner and a Sanders supporter, can’t vote in the Democratic primary because she didn’t change her party registration in time to qualify. It’s an issue for Republicans too: Some high-profile Donald Trump supporters — or at least two of his kids — won’t be able to partake in the fun.

New York’s deadline for switching party registration was Oct. 9, 193 days before the primary. I wanted to know if a party-switch deadline six months before a primary or caucus was as unusual as it sounded, so I went through every state’s election board website to see.1

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-far-harder-to-change-parties-in-new-york-than-in-any-other-state/
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It’s Far Harder To Change Parties In New York Than In Any Other State (Original Post) think Apr 2016 OP
We have about 48 more hours of the whine left then on to the next states! snooper2 Apr 2016 #1
Sorry these facts disturb you... think Apr 2016 #2
Don't disturb me, I know the voter registration process in my state snooper2 Apr 2016 #4
I'm supposed to get all weepy that people don't know how closed primaries work? Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #44
I don't expect you to care at all about restrictive voting laws. Carry on... think Apr 2016 #45
Don't let the facts hit you too hard now... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #18
Ealier, not harder. There's a difference. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #3
Ya. Right.... think Apr 2016 #5
It's the same process, you just have to do it earlier. It's not hard. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #6
2 weeks in advance elsewhere. What sounds more Democratic to you? 2 weeks in advance or think Apr 2016 #7
What's democratic is letting the party decide it's own rules. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #8
Ya. Make the rules difficult for people to participate. That's real Democratic.... think Apr 2016 #9
Independents want to be special, and do whatever they want. They aren't, they can't. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #10
You are arguing for a law that requires a person to make up their mind 6 months in advance to switch think Apr 2016 #12
I'm arguing that parties can make their own rules, not independent voters. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #14
They can join the Democratic party any time they feel like it. Orrex Apr 2016 #16
6 months ahead of time. That's not exactly making it easy to switch.... think Apr 2016 #21
They can join the Democratic party any time they feel like it. Orrex Apr 2016 #28
After today, things will be better for the country, worse for Sanders. stopbush Apr 2016 #34
Ealier? MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #19
If people switched their registration in time, ultimate in hipster cred geek tragedy Apr 2016 #11
Making excuses for restrictive voting laws is now the hip thing for Hillary supporters... think Apr 2016 #13
The law sucks and should be changed. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15
Bernie supporters have done their best to warn people early about this law. There was no time to think Apr 2016 #20
Bernie people here shrugged their shoulders at WI voter ID law. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #23
Sanders: Wisconsin voter ID laws are ‘un-American’ think Apr 2016 #24
and there were like 1 or 2 threads at DU from Bernie folks decrying it. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #25
They show their true colors here every day. alarimer Apr 2016 #27
Prevents "Operation Chaos" type shenanigans oberliner Apr 2016 #17
Chaos is having 27% of the voters not being able to vote due to overly restrictive rules. /nt think Apr 2016 #22
100% of the voters can vote Democat Apr 2016 #29
The 27% are independents. Why any party wouldn't want independents to switch to their party think Apr 2016 #31
I welcome any Indy who elects to abandon the milquetoast stopbush Apr 2016 #35
I welcome the Democratic party to make it easier for Independents to join the party so it grows. think Apr 2016 #37
It's plenty easy to join. You should try it. You can join today if you like. stopbush Apr 2016 #38
I'm a registered Democrat. I switched for Obama from independent to vote for him. Iwas a Dem in the think Apr 2016 #39
Independents can join the Democratic party any time they want oberliner Apr 2016 #54
Republicans voting in Democratic primaries is not a good idea oberliner Apr 2016 #40
You should be able to register the day of the election everywhere. alarimer Apr 2016 #26
You sound exactly like Donald Trump - "New York Values" Democat Apr 2016 #30
alarimer is not a troll. Quit the name-calling. n/t demmiblue Apr 2016 #46
No, I favor making it as easy to vote as possible. alarimer Apr 2016 #47
Far harder! rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #32
Good for you. Thanks for bumping the thread so people can read the article. /nt think Apr 2016 #33
It's always good to bump a thread if you're acting as the voice of reason stopbush Apr 2016 #36
Calling me a whiner for pointing out very restrictive voting rules is kind of silly but go for it. think Apr 2016 #41
It's going to be cute when everyone mocking these indies expects them to vote for their candidate.. frylock Apr 2016 #42
If an Independent refuses to vote Democrat because of a handful of DU posts... Orrex Apr 2016 #43
I'm certain that the mocking derision isn't isolated to DU. frylock Apr 2016 #48
Even so. Orrex Apr 2016 #49
Spare us the victim schtick anigbrowl Apr 2016 #50
NY is like the soup nazi - HAVE YOUR DAMN ORDER READY DAMMITTT Gomez163 Apr 2016 #51
Those is the rules and complaining about them on election day is full on BS liberal N proud Apr 2016 #52
It's not 6 months in advance - the requirement Retrograde Apr 2016 #53

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
44. I'm supposed to get all weepy that people don't know how closed primaries work?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

The only one disturbed by all of this seems to be you...

 

think

(11,641 posts)
7. 2 weeks in advance elsewhere. What sounds more Democratic to you? 2 weeks in advance or
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

6 months in advance?

 

think

(11,641 posts)
12. You are arguing for a law that requires a person to make up their mind 6 months in advance to switch
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016

to becoming a Democrat. Think about that.

Thousands of people who may have joined the party won't be able to due to very restrictive laws.

And people wonder why the parties are in decline....

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
14. I'm arguing that parties can make their own rules, not independent voters.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

Personally, I don't care if the rule is six months or two months. It's not about that. The problem is that there are many people complaining about a rule that has been on the books for decades. If you live in NY, like I do, you know about this when you register to vote, and you act accordingly.

If you ever thought you might want to vote for a Democrat, you register as a Democrat. It's not hard.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
16. They can join the Democratic party any time they feel like it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016

But if they want to participate in the primary, they need to make the switch by the deadline.

I initially considered a 30-day cutoff to be reasonable, but upon further discussion I see the value of same-day registration, so I'd go with that. The current deadline is indeed ridiculous, but the party is free to set it as they see fit.

Regardless, it's not "hard" to change party affiliation, so the headline is a misnomer.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
28. They can join the Democratic party any time they feel like it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

Why does that seem difficult to you?

Of course, if they want to vote in the Primary, then they have to register prior to the cutoff. That's a different issue, but it's still not hard. Having to register by a deadline isn't hard, as long as the deadline is public knowledge as it is in New York.

So what you're actually saying is this: "I object to New York's early deadline to register as Democrat in order to vote in the primary."



stopbush

(24,396 posts)
34. After today, things will be better for the country, worse for Sanders.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

Soon, Sanders supporters will be heading home to lick their wounds and await the cues from the Sanders campaign on what "other" needs to be blamed for the latest loss. It will never occur to them that they had it in their power to do something to influence the outcome, like change their registration. After all, Sanders announced his candidacy a year ago. NYers had 6 months to change their registration to D to be able to vote for Sanders in the primary. If they couldn't be bothered, screw em.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. If people switched their registration in time, ultimate in hipster cred
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

they were into Bernie before it was cool

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. The law sucks and should be changed.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:10 AM
Apr 2016

Will the people complaining now do anything to change it once it's too late to benefit Bernie Sanders?

Ha.

I don't take seriously the folks who treat closed primaries as a graver concern and form of oppression than voter ID laws and other Republican vote suppression tactics.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
20. Bernie supporters have done their best to warn people early about this law. There was no time to
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

change it before an election.

As for voter ID laws Bernie went as far as to call those that work for them political cowards:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/250464-sanders-attacks-political-cowards-pushing-tougher-voting-rights-laws

Bernie has always fought for voting rights and so have his supporters...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Bernie people here shrugged their shoulders at WI voter ID law.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

Because Bernie was obviously going to win, and it didn't hurt him and arguably helped him.

And, not many peeps about the biggest vote suppression tool, caucuses.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. and there were like 1 or 2 threads at DU from Bernie folks decrying it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

how about caucuses?

How is it that anything that inconveniences Sanders is a transcendent civil rights crisis, but anything that works to his benefit is no big deal?

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
27. They show their true colors here every day.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

It's okay if it benefits her; it's not okay when it doesn't.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. Prevents "Operation Chaos" type shenanigans
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

Limbaugh: ‘We May Have to Reactivate ‘Operation Chaos,’ but This Time for Bernie’

 

think

(11,641 posts)
22. Chaos is having 27% of the voters not being able to vote due to overly restrictive rules. /nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

Democat

(11,617 posts)
29. 100% of the voters can vote
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

If they are registered as a Democrat or Republican.

Why any Democrats want Republicans to be able to vote in their primary is a mystery.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
31. The 27% are independents. Why any party wouldn't want independents to switch to their party
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

is beyond me. And if you are an independent in New York you must change your registration 6 months in advance of an election or you can't join another party to vote in that election.



The voter-registration deadline for the April 19 primary closed 25 days beforehand, when no candidate had even campaigned in New York, and independent or unaffiliated voters had to change their party registrations by October 9, 193 days before April 19, to vote in the closed Democratic or Republican primaries. This will disenfranchise nearly 30 percent of New Yorkers, including, most famously, the Trump children, who didn’t change their registrations from independent to Republican in time.

It’s easy to poke fun at the ignorance of Trump’s kids, but 3 million registered New Yorkers won’t be able to vote in the state’s primary because they are not affiliated with the Democratic or Republican parties. Election Day voter registration, which also increases voter turnout by up to 10 percent, would solve this problem.

http://www.thenation.com/article/three-million-registered-voters-wont-be-able-to-vote-in-new-yorks-primary/

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
35. I welcome any Indy who elects to abandon the milquetoast
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

safety of being an Indy and makes the commitment to the D Party. If you made the switch in time, you're welcome to vote, even if it's not for the candidate I support. If you didn't make the switch in time, lesson learned. Make the switch now so you don't miss out on the next time.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
37. I welcome the Democratic party to make it easier for Independents to join the party so it grows.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

Because everyone who's paying attention knows it's shrinking.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0111/Is-the-Democratic-party-shrinking

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
38. It's plenty easy to join. You should try it. You can join today if you like.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

Takes about a minute. You could have joined about 30 times in the time you've taken to write posts in this thread.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
39. I'm a registered Democrat. I switched for Obama from independent to vote for him. Iwas a Dem in the
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016

80's until I found out the local politicians I helped get elected were just as corrupt a their GOP counter parts. It was extremely disapointing as I was very active in the party and running for office when I learned these things.

Your experience may have been different.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
54. Independents can join the Democratic party any time they want
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

You have until 25 days before the general election to make the switch.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. Republicans voting in Democratic primaries is not a good idea
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

I support each party restricted primary votes to party members. If you want a say in who the Democratic candidate will be, then you should be a Democrat. Electing to not be a member of any political party is a choice.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
26. You should be able to register the day of the election everywhere.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

This nonsense exists only to keep the power in the hands of the party machines. And make no mistake, New York has always been about corrupt Democratic Party machine politics. It's Boss Tweed for the 21st Century.

What other possible reason is there for anything other than same-day registration anywhere? It's too keep "undesirables" (in this case independent or the great unwashed "hippies" Hillary fans hate so much).

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
47. No, I favor making it as easy to vote as possible.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

No one has been able to explain why switching parties or registering should be so difficult. I also don't favor disenfranchising 30% of voters because they won't join your club.

But even if you want closed primaries (I don't- it's how we get the worst possible candidates), party-switching should be much easier to do. Two-three weeks tops. Six months ago, no one was talking about the New York primary.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
32. Far harder!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

I had to go to a website and make two changes. It took me 5 minutes. And I remembered to do it in October with lots of other folks.

Hurts to lose but excuses are whining.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
36. It's always good to bump a thread if you're acting as the voice of reason
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016

To a bunch of whiners.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
41. Calling me a whiner for pointing out very restrictive voting rules is kind of silly but go for it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

It's not like I made this up. I posted it from a source that the Hillary camp has cited numerous times....

frylock

(34,825 posts)
42. It's going to be cute when everyone mocking these indies expects them to vote for their candidate..
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

in November.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
43. If an Independent refuses to vote Democrat because of a handful of DU posts...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

Then that Independent wasn't likely to vote Democrat anyway.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
49. Even so.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

Anyone who'd reject a candidate so blindly would seem unlikely to have voted for that candidate regardless.

Or, if they would have, then they weren't committed to the decision.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
50. Spare us the victim schtick
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

Nobody's mocking independent voters, but it's up to individuals to know the electoral registration laws in their own state. If they can't/won't pay attention to that it's their own fault. I personally think it's a good thing that GOP voters can't swarm Democratic primaries and vice versa. Sucks for people who aren't members of a party but if you don't want to join I'm not clear why you would feel you have a right to participate. A primary election is simply not the same as a general election.

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
52. Those is the rules and complaining about them on election day is full on BS
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

You can't wait until the last minute in life.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
53. It's not 6 months in advance - the requirement
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

is that for a party change to go into effect it must be made roughly a month before the next scheduled general election, which this time around meant roughly a month before the November, 2015 election. That makes it about 6 months for today's presidential primary, but almost a year for the scheduled September 2016 primary. (Source: conversation with a long-time New York poll worker I'm related to).

Yes, it's a dumb, arcane, and restrictive law, but it's been upheld at the highest levels. If New Yorkers want to change it, it's time to start applying pressure in Albany.

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