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Its Far Harder To Change Parties In New York Than In Any Other State
By LEAH LIBRESCO - 2016 ELECTION 6:30 AM APR 19, 2016
Some of Bernie Sanderss biggest supporters may not be able to vote for him in New Yorks primary on Tuesday. Unaffiliated voters are a big share of Sanderss support, but New York makes it hard for voters to register for a party at the last minute. For example, Erica Garner, daughter of Eric Garner and a Sanders supporter, cant vote in the Democratic primary because she didnt change her party registration in time to qualify. Its an issue for Republicans too: Some high-profile Donald Trump supporters or at least two of his kids wont be able to partake in the fun.
New Yorks deadline for switching party registration was Oct. 9, 193 days before the primary. I wanted to know if a party-switch deadline six months before a primary or caucus was as unusual as it sounded, so I went through every states election board website to see.1
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-far-harder-to-change-parties-in-new-york-than-in-any-other-state/
snooper2
(30,151 posts)think
(11,641 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The only one disturbed by all of this seems to be you...
think
(11,641 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)think
(11,641 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)think
(11,641 posts)6 months in advance?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)think
(11,641 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)think
(11,641 posts)to becoming a Democrat. Think about that.
Thousands of people who may have joined the party won't be able to due to very restrictive laws.
And people wonder why the parties are in decline....
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Personally, I don't care if the rule is six months or two months. It's not about that. The problem is that there are many people complaining about a rule that has been on the books for decades. If you live in NY, like I do, you know about this when you register to vote, and you act accordingly.
If you ever thought you might want to vote for a Democrat, you register as a Democrat. It's not hard.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)But if they want to participate in the primary, they need to make the switch by the deadline.
I initially considered a 30-day cutoff to be reasonable, but upon further discussion I see the value of same-day registration, so I'd go with that. The current deadline is indeed ridiculous, but the party is free to set it as they see fit.
Regardless, it's not "hard" to change party affiliation, so the headline is a misnomer.
think
(11,641 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)Why does that seem difficult to you?
Of course, if they want to vote in the Primary, then they have to register prior to the cutoff. That's a different issue, but it's still not hard. Having to register by a deadline isn't hard, as long as the deadline is public knowledge as it is in New York.
So what you're actually saying is this: "I object to New York's early deadline to register as Democrat in order to vote in the primary."
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Soon, Sanders supporters will be heading home to lick their wounds and await the cues from the Sanders campaign on what "other" needs to be blamed for the latest loss. It will never occur to them that they had it in their power to do something to influence the outcome, like change their registration. After all, Sanders announced his candidacy a year ago. NYers had 6 months to change their registration to D to be able to vote for Sanders in the primary. If they couldn't be bothered, screw em.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they were into Bernie before it was cool
think
(11,641 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Will the people complaining now do anything to change it once it's too late to benefit Bernie Sanders?
Ha.
I don't take seriously the folks who treat closed primaries as a graver concern and form of oppression than voter ID laws and other Republican vote suppression tactics.
think
(11,641 posts)change it before an election.
As for voter ID laws Bernie went as far as to call those that work for them political cowards:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/250464-sanders-attacks-political-cowards-pushing-tougher-voting-rights-laws
Bernie has always fought for voting rights and so have his supporters...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Because Bernie was obviously going to win, and it didn't hurt him and arguably helped him.
And, not many peeps about the biggest vote suppression tool, caucuses.
think
(11,641 posts)Show me a Bernie supporter that did not agree.....
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)how about caucuses?
How is it that anything that inconveniences Sanders is a transcendent civil rights crisis, but anything that works to his benefit is no big deal?
alarimer
(16,245 posts)It's okay if it benefits her; it's not okay when it doesn't.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Limbaugh: We May Have to Reactivate Operation Chaos, but This Time for Bernie
think
(11,641 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)If they are registered as a Democrat or Republican.
Why any Democrats want Republicans to be able to vote in their primary is a mystery.
think
(11,641 posts)is beyond me. And if you are an independent in New York you must change your registration 6 months in advance of an election or you can't join another party to vote in that election.
The voter-registration deadline for the April 19 primary closed 25 days beforehand, when no candidate had even campaigned in New York, and independent or unaffiliated voters had to change their party registrations by October 9, 193 days before April 19, to vote in the closed Democratic or Republican primaries. This will disenfranchise nearly 30 percent of New Yorkers, including, most famously, the Trump children, who didnt change their registrations from independent to Republican in time.
Its easy to poke fun at the ignorance of Trumps kids, but 3 million registered New Yorkers wont be able to vote in the states primary because they are not affiliated with the Democratic or Republican parties. Election Day voter registration, which also increases voter turnout by up to 10 percent, would solve this problem.
http://www.thenation.com/article/three-million-registered-voters-wont-be-able-to-vote-in-new-yorks-primary/
stopbush
(24,396 posts)safety of being an Indy and makes the commitment to the D Party. If you made the switch in time, you're welcome to vote, even if it's not for the candidate I support. If you didn't make the switch in time, lesson learned. Make the switch now so you don't miss out on the next time.
think
(11,641 posts)Because everyone who's paying attention knows it's shrinking.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0111/Is-the-Democratic-party-shrinking
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Takes about a minute. You could have joined about 30 times in the time you've taken to write posts in this thread.
think
(11,641 posts)80's until I found out the local politicians I helped get elected were just as corrupt a their GOP counter parts. It was extremely disapointing as I was very active in the party and running for office when I learned these things.
Your experience may have been different.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You have until 25 days before the general election to make the switch.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I support each party restricted primary votes to party members. If you want a say in who the Democratic candidate will be, then you should be a Democrat. Electing to not be a member of any political party is a choice.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)This nonsense exists only to keep the power in the hands of the party machines. And make no mistake, New York has always been about corrupt Democratic Party machine politics. It's Boss Tweed for the 21st Century.
What other possible reason is there for anything other than same-day registration anywhere? It's too keep "undesirables" (in this case independent or the great unwashed "hippies" Hillary fans hate so much).
Democat
(11,617 posts)Your troll slip is showing.
demmiblue
(36,855 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)No one has been able to explain why switching parties or registering should be so difficult. I also don't favor disenfranchising 30% of voters because they won't join your club.
But even if you want closed primaries (I don't- it's how we get the worst possible candidates), party-switching should be much easier to do. Two-three weeks tops. Six months ago, no one was talking about the New York primary.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)I had to go to a website and make two changes. It took me 5 minutes. And I remembered to do it in October with lots of other folks.
Hurts to lose but excuses are whining.
think
(11,641 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)To a bunch of whiners.
think
(11,641 posts)It's not like I made this up. I posted it from a source that the Hillary camp has cited numerous times....
frylock
(34,825 posts)in November.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Then that Independent wasn't likely to vote Democrat anyway.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Anyone who'd reject a candidate so blindly would seem unlikely to have voted for that candidate regardless.
Or, if they would have, then they weren't committed to the decision.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Nobody's mocking independent voters, but it's up to individuals to know the electoral registration laws in their own state. If they can't/won't pay attention to that it's their own fault. I personally think it's a good thing that GOP voters can't swarm Democratic primaries and vice versa. Sucks for people who aren't members of a party but if you don't want to join I'm not clear why you would feel you have a right to participate. A primary election is simply not the same as a general election.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)You can't wait until the last minute in life.
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)is that for a party change to go into effect it must be made roughly a month before the next scheduled general election, which this time around meant roughly a month before the November, 2015 election. That makes it about 6 months for today's presidential primary, but almost a year for the scheduled September 2016 primary. (Source: conversation with a long-time New York poll worker I'm related to).
Yes, it's a dumb, arcane, and restrictive law, but it's been upheld at the highest levels. If New Yorkers want to change it, it's time to start applying pressure in Albany.