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How the US covered up Saudi role in 9/11
http://nypost.com/2016/04/17/how-us-covered-up-saudi-role-in-911/
In its report on the still-censored 28 pages implicating the Saudi government in 9/11, 60 Minutes
last weekend said the Saudi role in the attacks has been soft-pedaled to protect Americas delicate
alliance with the oil-rich kingdom.
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" ...$130,000 from then-Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandars family checking account to yet another
of the hijackers Saudi handlers ..."
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The Saudi ambassador funded two of the 9/11 hijackers through a third party, Guandolo said. He
should be treated as a terrorist suspect, as should other members of the Saudi elite class who the US
government knows are currently funding the global jihad.
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After he met on Sept. 13, 2001, with President Bush in the White House, where the two old family friends
shared cigars on the Truman Balcony, the FBI evacuated dozens of Saudi officials from multiple cities,
including at least one Osama bin Laden family member on the terror watch list. Instead of interrogating
the Saudis, FBI agents acted as security escorts for them, even though it was known at the time that 15
of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens.
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I know this has been posted before but everybody needs to know this information and we need
those 28 pages from the 9-11 report released ASAP.
R good buddies the Saudis
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)JFK's assassination and we will never really know what happened.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's all there. The whole story. You have to read a little between the lines -- but not much.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... And I apologize for teasing your post, I came across this right away when googling for the book:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics-jan-june04-loyalty_01-15/
Knowledge is power.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)No one from Saudi Arabia, including Bin Laden, could have had a role in the 9/11 destruction of the World Trade Center, without support of the George W. Bush Jr. administration. The only people allowed to fly out of the country, by the Bush administration, immediately after 9/11, were relatives of Osama Bin Laden. FBI agents were not allowed to question these relatives.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)Botany
(70,508 posts)SEPTEMBER 9, 2014
The Twenty-Eight Pages
gordianot
(15,238 posts)At the Whitehouse no less.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)I haven't seen or heard anything about him since shortly after 9/11.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)Exactly.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)gordianot
(15,238 posts)Notice the closed eyes, his partner has on shades so is hard to tell.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I wish someone would just leak the pages...
Fuck em-
Botany
(70,508 posts)On the bottom floor of the United States Capitols new underground visitors center, there is a secure
room where the House Intelligence Committee maintains highly classified files. One of those files is titled
Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. It is twenty-
eight pages long. In 2002, the Administration of George W. Bush excised those pages from the report
of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks. President Bush said then that publication of that
section of the report would damage American intelligence operations, revealing sources and methods that
would make it harder for us to win the war on terror.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/twenty-eight-pages
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)Some of us are able to discuss other issues.
this pertains directly to the Op. She voted for a war that had nothing to do with Iraq and we seem to be digging up this information.
I expect comments like yours from Hillary supporters. We can just hug out our Hillary support...........except for the bad stuff huh, we don't need to talk about that.
She condoned war , which killed innocent people, and you support her for President.
Response to Phlem (Reply #46)
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Phlem
(6,323 posts)Feel better.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)that and youre missing an e
Phlem
(6,323 posts)the fact that you're voting for someone who voted for the Iraq war.
It's a fucking decision call. A lot of people were not for war back then but it didn't matter did it.
Innocent people died and we should just sweep this under the rug? Can't handle the fact that Hillary voted FOR IT!
I didn't see anyone twisting her arm, she did it of her own free will.
Refute it instead if whine about it.
These are the reasons I don't want her as President. Been there, Done that, Don't want anymore of it!
It matters.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)this and anything else questionable about Hillary Clinton under the rug.
She's running for President, and these issues are relevant and should be brought to the light of day.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)get over it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Do you support Clinton's position on fracking?
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)But if we can hang 'em with LIHOP, won't hear no complaints from me.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Specifically gave DoD the lead on Mideast affairs, kept SoS Powell out of the region. Kept daring them to do something and acted surprised when they did exactly what they were warned would happen.
LIHOP only in the sense that they didn't directly participate. Then went after the guy that wasn't involved and let bin Laden escape from Tora Bora.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Just because the media never mentioned it, we are supposed to believe it never happened.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Good thing for the Internet.
Ashcroft Flying High
CBS News
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.
A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.
"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.
Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."
CONTINUED...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ashcroft-flying-high/
Johnny Ashcan knew. And DUers remember.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)It's time to smoke more than cigars...
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)lastone
(588 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)lastone
(588 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)egalitegirl
(362 posts)Democrats too are part of the war machinery. Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Syria and Libya were creations of the neocons in the Democratic Party. This is why we need to support Bernie Sanders for President.
We like to blame Bush for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but we forget that we were at war with them in the 1990s. Madeleine Albright famously declared that the deaths of half a million children as the price was worth it. Missiles were fired into Afghanistan during the Clinton administration which means the war had already begun. T
Taliban itself was the creation of the neocons in the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton and they came to power in 1994 due to the neocons supporting them.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Botany
(70,508 posts)Bandar Bush is now helping to fund ISIS. George W Bush, "he kept us safe."
lastone
(588 posts)makes me crazy to think where we'd be if we followed Carters renewable vision
makes me crazy to think Reagan's first act as dipshit in chief was to take down the solar panels Carter had installed on the white house.
people in this country are soo fucking stupid...
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)It fucking kills me that our country kowtows to the evil assholes in charge there.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Smoked cigars on the balcony at the Whitehouse.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)From left to right: Dick Cheney, Prince Bandar, Condoleezza Rice, and George W. Bush, on the Truman Balcony of the White House on September 13, 2001.
libodem
(19,288 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)breaking its delicate alliance with one of our most infamous Middle Eastern allies, then it should go the full mile and actually investigate that day the way it should have been in the first place. There are more than a few Americans who can see that the Bush regime and its "commission" lied, omitted and ignored very relevant testimony and information, and really gave us a highly unlikely conspiracy theory as to what happened.
Besides that (and none of the media is mentioning it), a few of these 19 hijackers were found alive and interviewed by the BBC (you can look this up). They were wondering why they were being blamed and wanted everyone to know they were still alive.
I think there was Saudi involvement, plus the involvement of many well-connected, powerful people from many different countries. However, I believe 9/11 was a US military-orchestrated and executed attack that could only have happened with the nod from people very high up in the Bush regime's hierarchy (I'm thinking Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.). Our air defenses fell apart that day and it was not by chance.
If Al Gore had become president in 2000 instead of George Bush, I feel pretty damn sure 9/11 wouldn't have taken place at all.
Botany
(70,508 posts)... hijacked planes crashing into American Cities and our fighter cover was off over the
North Atlantic. Washington, D.C. has the most protected air space in the world and a
slow moving passenger jet was able to fly into D.C. air space and hit the pentagon
over an hour after the first plane hit the WTC? An F-16 @ Andrews Air Force Base could
have been over D.C. in under 2 minutes.
"If Al Gore had become president in 2000 instead of George Bush, I feel pretty damn sure 9/11
wouldn't have taken place at all."
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)there are any "drills" being conducted somewhere, something nefarious is bound to follow.
If we had a media that actually investigated instead of simply relaying stories from people in power, maybe many more Americans would know what to look for and be more informed as to what is actually going on around them.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)are realized. The enemy is within. It is US.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)James Hatfield wrote that W Bush was so afraid of bin Laden aerial attack, he refused to stay in a hotel on land and slept aboard a U.S. missile destroyer in the harbor.
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?
By James Hatfield
Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:
July 3, 2001There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.
A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.
German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American targethis first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.
According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.
Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?
CONTINUED...
http://web.archive.org/web/20060906150015/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html
FTR: Hatfield, also author of the MSM-maligned "Fortunate Son" unauthorized bio of George w Bush, died a few days after this was published. "SUICIDE."
justgamma
(3,666 posts)GWB closed the air force base in Saudi Arabia that Bin Laden and the Saudi's were protesting. Talk about appeasing the terrorists. This is what Bin Laden wanted.
I've a theory. Bin Laden made tapes at the most opportune moments for GWB in exchange for his safety.
How's that for tin foil hattery?
Botany
(70,508 posts).... that bin Laden moved into his compound in Abbott, Pakistan which is home to Pakistan's
"West Point."
MisterP
(23,730 posts)when they got too successful--since they were horning in on Medellin
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Saudis, Bush's, Cheney's, and a few more. Some might be Dems.....
What is a little terrorism, and a little murder.
We have a future for the planet to shape.
Poor? Just shut up and go to prison.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)Clinton taking Saudi bribes and approving weapons be sent to the Saudis that they now use to kill civilians in Yemen. The Clintons are just as much a crime family as Bush and Cheney.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)If the 28 pages was released back in 2002, there would have been no invasion of Iraq. I doubt we'd invade Saudi Arabia over 9/11, but think of the cathartic transformation that would have been possible if justice was brought to the Saudi's? They would be a full blown Democracy by now!
Actually, I have no idea what would have happened if the 28 pages was released in 2002. But, in general, truth and justice are ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE A GOOD THING AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN THE LONG RUN. Not to mention credibility, which our current OLIGARCHY has learned is no longer necessary to impose with impunity their form of government on our former Democracy.
(Yeah, I know we are actually some kind of "Democratic-republic" hybrid)
-90% Jimmy
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)The Saudis love to pay for a good war. They will bribe anybody if it means perpetual war. Clinton loves that Saudi money.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)It goes beyond Saudi involvement. WHY would the Saudis do this? WHAT possible reason would they spend large sums of money helping this group?
I am astounded that this is not being reported non-stop on the airwaves. 911 was a tragedy like Pearl Harbor which ushered in our involvement in WW2. To me hiding this information from the American public is bordering on treason. I don't care how much money they may take out of our system. If we can be blackmailed this easily while thousands died, then frankly we need to revisit our whole system.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)To help their good friend Bush kill 2 birds with one stone.
Get rid of Saddam, and keep Iraqi oil under control.
Plain as day.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The Price of Loyalty. These events took place soon after Bush II was inaugurated!
First, the Bush administration was made aware of the extent of global warming at the time.
Please note that O'Neill, even while at Alcoa, was aware and trying to make others aware of our environmental crisis. I personally think that may have been one reason that he was so sensitive to the issues concerning oil and the Iraq oil fields. That's just my guess.
Anyway, from a book that should be on the shelf of everyone interested in the history of the Bush II administration:
"Beneath the surface was a battle O'Neill had seen brewing since the NSC meeting on January 30. It was Powell and his moderates at the State Department versus hard-liners like Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz, who were already planning the next war in Iraq and the shape of a post-Saddam country.
. . . .
One document, headed 'Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts,' lists companies from thirty countries -- including France, Germany, Russia, and the United Kingdom -- their specialties, bidding histories, and in some cases their particular areas of interest. An attached document maps Iraq with markings for 'supergiant oilfield,' 'other oilfield,' and 'earmarked for production sharing,' while demarking the largely undeveloped southwest of the country into nine 'blocks' to designate areas for future exploration. The desire to 'dissuade' countries from engaging in 'asymmetrical challenges' to the United States -- or Rumsfeld said in his January articulation of the demonstrative value of a preemptive attack -- matched with plans for how the world's second largest oil reserve might be divided among the world's contractors made for an irresistible combination, O'Neill later said.
Already by February (2001 shortly after GWB's inauguration), the talk was mostly about logistics. Not the why, but the how and how quickly. Rumsfeld, O'Neill recalled, was focused on how an incident might cause escalated tensions -- like the shooting down of an American plane in the regular engagement between U.S. fighters and Iraqi antiaircraft batteries -- and what U.S. responses to such an occurrence might be. Wolfowitz was pushing for the arming of Iraqi opposition groups and sending in U.S. troops to support and defend their insurgency. He had written in Foreign Affairs magazine in 1999 that "the United States should be prepared to commit ground forces to protect a sanctuary in southern Iraq where the opposition could safely mobilize."
During his confirmation hearings, Powell had said that arming the Iraqi opposition would be logistically difficult and ultimately unsuccessful in toppling Saddam. Since then, Powell had discovered that he was outnumbered."
Ron Suskind, The Price of Loyalty (2004) pages 96-97.
I strongly, strongly recommend reading that book. Get a copy.
It is a pretty frank history of the first years of Bush II.
I have to say that I do not agree with Paul O'Neill on many issues, but the history is interesting.
I am not related to Suskind or O'Neill in any way. Don't know either of them. Never met them. I just like the book and recommend it.
Anyway, the question is, in their relationship with Saudi Arabia, did the members of the Bush administration give aid and comfort to an enemy of the US, of the American people? Or not?
It's just a question.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)Iraq war. This has lead to the Saudi backed ISIL and helping the Saudis achieve a Saudi style Islamic state throughout the middle east.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)That's how a person with normal morality and conscience reacts
People who have normal morality and conscience
are generally not allowed into the highest seats of power.
The best we ever get are people willing to do whatever good they can, without upsetting the apple cart.
With all the weapons and machinery that Saudi Arabia has, or perhaps their ability to upset world oil markets, or perhaps they would threaten to obliterate Israel -- who knows? Maybe they are the enemy that we placate as a country, because they would be too much trouble otherwise? I don't know; I don't understand it; I don't WANT to understand it. I want to go back to writing poetry, jogging, Studying science.
But I did want to be represented in government, to see the most powerful position in government entrusted, to someone whose conscience and honesty and wisdom and values I could trust.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I think the Saudis were involved on all the attacks on the WTO...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)were 'in training?'
Botany
(70,508 posts)W had the 8.6.01 PDB put in his lap and he told the CIA worker something like
"Well you have covered your ass. Now get out of here."
Richard Clark told him and the w admin. about al Qaeda and a female FBI agent
tried to report about Arabs taking flight training classes in 2001 and she was hushed up.
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/
Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 - The National Security Archive today posted the widely-debated, but previously unavailable, January 25, 2001, memo from counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke to national security advisor Condoleezza Rice - the first terrorism strategy paper of the Bush administration. The document was central to debates in the 9/11 hearings over the Bush administration's policies and actions on terrorism before September 11, 2001. Clarke's memo requests an immediate meeting of the National Security Council's Principals Committee to discuss broad strategies for combating al-Qaeda by giving counterterrorism aid to the Northern Alliance and Uzbekistan, expanding the counterterrorism budget and responding to the U.S.S. Cole attack. Despite Clarke's request, there was no Principals Committee meeting on al-Qaeda until September 4, 2001.
The January 25, 2001, memo, recently released to the National Security Archive by the National Security Council, bears a declassification stamp of April 7, 2004, one day prior to Rice's testimony before the 9/11 Commission on April 8, 2004. Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11, Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration."
Two days after Rice's March 22 op-ed, Clarke told the 9/11 Commission, "there's a lot of debate about whether it's a plan or a strategy or a series of options -- but all of the things we recommended back in January were those things on the table in September. They were done. They were done after September 11th. They were all done. I didn't really understand why they couldn't have been done in February."
Also attached to the original Clarke memo are two Clinton-era documents relating to al-Qaeda. The first, "Tab A December 2000 Paper: Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects," was released to the National Security Archive along with the Clarke memo. "Tab B, September 1998 Paper: Pol-Mil Plan for al-Qida," also known as the Delenda Plan, was attached to the original memo, but was not released to the Archive and remains under request with the National Security Council.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)August 6, 2001: President Bush Tells CIA Regarding Bin Laden Warning, Youve Covered Your Ass, Now
Edit event
According to journalist and author Ron Suskind, just after a CIA briefer presents President Bush with the later infamous PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) item entitled Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US (see August 6, 2001), Bush tells the briefer, Youve covered your ass, now. This account is from Suskinds 2006 book The One Percent Doctrine, which is based largely on anonymous accounts from political insiders. In the book, after describing the presentation of the PDB, Suskind will write: And, at an eyeball-to-eyeball intelligence briefing during this urgent summer, George W. Bush seems to have made the wrong choice. He looked hard at the panicked CIA briefer. All right, he said. Youve covered your ass, now. [Suskind, 2006, pp. 2; Washington Post, 6/20/2006]
Entity Tags: Central Intelligence Agency, George W. Bush
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a080601coveredyourass&scale=0#a080601coveredyourass
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Every single piece of evidence proves this fact.
America left wide open after hundreds of in your face warnings of impending attack.
Then all the Saudis safely flown out of the country before being questioned.
The Powers That Be At Work
montanacowboy
(6,089 posts)adopted member of the Bush Crime Family
AxionExcel
(755 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)My response is here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027767632
I just wanted to make sure people see my response so I posted it separately.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)FIRST: Let me make it clear that I am no friend of the Saudis. Our continued deep relationship with them needs to be adjusted down. Furthermore, I want to see the redacted 28 pages from the 9-11 commission report.
However, the source of this report is JOHN GUANDOLO -- Guandolo is not exactly a reliable source. I have put several links about Guandolo below. Here's the short version.
1. Guandolo is a former FBI agent who claims he was fired because he was uncovering Muslim infiltration into the US government. In fact, he was fired because he was having affairs with another agent and with an undercover source. He also tried to extort $40,000 from the source.
2. Guandolo claims President Obama is a "closet Muslim" and CIA Director John Brennan converted to Islam on a trip to Saudi Arabia.
3. Guandolo now makes his living traveling around spreading his anti-Muslim horseshit to Tea Parties, police departments, and anyone else who will listen. He's a regular on Breitbart, Alex Jones, and Glenn Beck.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/08/10/disgraced-former-fbi-agent-john-guandolo-providing-anti-muslim-law-enforcement-training
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/john-guandolo
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/the-strange-case-of-the-philandering-muslim-threat-hyping-fbi-agent
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/17/virginia_country_sheriff_hosting_anti_muslim_training_by_disgraced_conspiracy_theorist_partner/
http://theadvocate.com/columnists/11334863-55/james-gill-john-guandolos-new
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/tag/john-guandolo/
http://theoldredneckspeaks.blogspot.com/2015/01/99th-district-tea-party-meeting.html
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Thanks for the education.
Citing him without indicating anything about his nut-job past does call the veracity of the article into question.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And Obama and Hillary covering for them both now? WTF
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The late artist pegged the Bush-bin Laden connection before 9/11.
Toward a Diagram of Mark Lombardi
by Frances Richard
2001 http://www.wburg.com
Who is James R. Bath?
A nodal point in Mark Lombardi's drawing George W. Bush, Harken Energy and Jackson Stephens 1 c. 1979-90, 5th Version, 1999, James R. Bath appears in the upper lefthand corner of the 16 1/2" x 41" piece of paper. The spatial syntax of Lombardi's drawingswhich map in elegantly visual terms the secret deals and suspect associations of financiers, politicians, corporations, and governmentsdictates that the more densely lines ray out from a given node, the more deeply that figure is embroiled in the tale Lombardi tells. Thirteen lines originate with or point to James R. Bath, more than any other name presented. Among those linked to this obscure yet central character are George W. Bush, Jr., George H.W. Bush, Sr., Senator Lloyd Bentsen of Texas, Governor John B. Connally of Texas, Sheik Salim bin Laden of Saudi Arabia, and Sheik Salim's younger brother, Osama bin Laden.
The drawing is done on pale beige paper, in pencil. It follows a time-line, with dates arrayed across three horizontal tiers. These in turn support arcs denoting personal and corporate alliances, the whole comprising a skeletal resume of George W. Bush's career in the oil business. In other words, the drawing, like all Lombardi's work, is a post-Conceptual reinvention of history painting, a document of factually verifiable yet extremely pared-down relationships limned in a double light of international fame and cryptic realpolitik. Or rather, the light is triple. For, though he possessed the instincts of a private eye and the acumen of a systems-analyst, Lombardi was of course an artist, and from the raw material of wire-service reports and books by political correspondents, he drew not only chronicles of covert, high-stakes trade, but technically pristine and sensually compelling visual forms. His project's sources are profoundly art-historical, even as they are obviously journalistic, and the creative tension between abstracted, self-propelling image and direct verbal communication propels his work. Delicately balanced and gracefully enlaced, these lines and circles read from across the room as purely retinal explorations of two-dimensional space. Their stylized complexity, however, lures the eye in, to a point where language registers as legible and referentiality asserts itself through the scrim of form. A narrative emerges. Looking shifts toward reading, and Lombardi's one-two punch lands.
James R. Bath, it turns out, is a Texas businessman, a sometime aeronautics broker whose firm, Skyway Aircraft Leasing, LTD., was a Cayman Islands 2 front amassing money for use by Oliver North in the Iran-Contra affair. Bath also served as an agent minding American interests for a quartet of Saudi Arabian billionaires, one of whom was Sheik Salim bin Laden, the oldest son and heir of Sheik Mohammed bin Laden, father of fifty-four children including Osama. According to reports by the Houston Chronicle, the Wall Street Journal, Time, and others, Bath did business in his own name but with the Saudis' money; tax records indicate that he collected a fee of 5% on their multimillion dollar American investments. In 1979, Bath contributed $50,000 to Arbusto Energy, a limited-partnership controlled by George W. Bush. As Bath had little capital of his own, oil insiders trace the funds to his silent partners, specifically Salim bin Laden. Such cash infusions from Bath's client sheiks and George H.W. Bush's cartel cronies could not, however, prop Arbusto up. The venture collapsed in 1981 and merged into the Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation. Spectrumstill with W. at the helmevolved through more near-failures and mergers into Harken Energy, which, in 1990, embarked upon a sweetheart deal to drill oil wells in Bahrainthis regardless of the fact that Harken had never drilled an overseas well, nor a marine well of any kind. Oil industry cognoscenti again assume that the Bahrain contract was orchestrated as a favor from the Saudis to the American chief executive and his family. The favor paid. On June 20, 1990, George W. Bush sold two-thirds of his Harken stock at $4 per share. Eight days later, Harken finished the second quarter with losses of $23 million; the stock promptly lost 75% of its value, finishing at just over $1 per share. Two months later, Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the Gulf War began. All these events are cited in Lombardi's drawing.
Meanwhile, another Bath associate, Sheik Khalid bin Mafouz, was involved in the collapse (in July, 1991) of the Bank of Credit and Commerce, International, better known as BCCI. Among the sins of the Pakistani-owned BCCI were money-laundering on behalf of Colombian druglords, arms brokering, bribery, and aid to terrorists; when this cabal came unglued, millions of investors in seventy-three countries lost their life-savings. Although Bath was not personally implicated in the BCCI fiasco, an estranged business partner claims that that he, Bath, had been recruited to the CIA in 1976-77 by George Bush, Sr., after serving in the Texas Air National Guard as the buddy of George Bush, Jr. (in 1972, the two young men narrowly escaped arrest for cocaine possession). Bath's putative CIA connections, the Agency's operations in the Middle East, and the adventures of BCCI thus compose a kind of symmetry. The byzantine saga of BCCI's demise is plotted in the drawing that is perhaps Lombardi's masterwork, BCCI-ICIC-FAB, c. 1972-1991, (4th Version), 1996-2000. Unveiled in the landmark P.S. 1 exhibition "Greater New York" in 2000, this piece signaled Lombardi's arrival at the cusp of art world fame; it is now in the permanent collection of the Whitney Museum. A wall-size panel schematizing twenty years of suspect alliances amongst scores of players, BCCI-ICIC-FAB was the last major work the artist made before his death.
CONTINUED...
http://www.whale.to/c/mark_lombard3.html
Old news to you, billhicks76. A real shocker to those new to the scene. Totally missing from all the 9-11 coverage at the Newseum.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5446102
Mesee
(42 posts)Carl Cameron, White House Correspondent for Fox News reported in 2002 that President George W. Bush was told over 50 times before the pending attack in 9/11/01. The NY Post and Newsday also reported that Bush knew.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)clarifies what we knew already. It was a corrupt war where innocent and Americans died. War fucking sucks and anyone who read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
wouldn't have voted for it.
I saw the 2nd plane hit the building while I was in Vegas early in the morning on the news and I remember the vote. I also remember all the news and warnings leading up to the war but in the end I didn't support it and was very disappointed when congress voted for it.
Say what you will but that's when we started "forever war". Blaming "Terrorism", a word, for all our ills. So what happened when we couldn't find "Terrorism" or it's source, a forever war on "hunting for terrorism and killing *it* in whatever fucking shape or form it may be. WTF
That my friend is the result of voting for war hawks. We should be paying attention to how we feed that beast.
edit: That was the last time we searched for a single source to kill (Saddam Hussein) and opened it up to a fucking "noun". Shoot that!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Opportunists will opportunists. The agenda gives it away more quickly.
Hotler
(11,425 posts)Ralph Nader's fault.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)K&R
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Faux pas
(14,681 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Saw that 12 years ago in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. It still infuriates me.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Re: PNAC US Military Policy
March 3, 1999: New Pearl Harbor Needed to Change US Military Policies, Says Expert
Andrew Krepinevich, Executive Director of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, testifies before the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities:
[US CONGRESS, 3/5/1999] This is very similar to what strategists at PNAC have said (see June 3, 1997).
Andrew Krepinevich, Senate Armed Services Committee
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a060397pnacprinciples
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)If powerful people are knowingly funding terrorists, they are not going to use a check from their own account. In the slight chance they use a check, they would run it through an untraceable shell company.
I find it believable that some influential Saudis were funding terrorists inside the US, but not the Ambassador to the US. He had way too much to lose.
Let us also remember that Bin Laden intentionally wanted to drive a wedge between "moderate" Muslims and the West. That was his main goal. As Colin Powell made clear at the time, Bin Laden wanted an over-reaction by the West to the terrorist attacks, in order to end up alienating Muslims. Bin Laden could have found young wackos from other countries, but he intentionally recruited Saudis because the thought their involvement would do the most damage to international relations.
harun
(11,348 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)To recommend this a few more times.
UTUSN
(70,698 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)i hope that there is a congresional overide .
IronLionZion
(45,447 posts)a reminder of how every vote matters. The two parties are NOT even close to being the same.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)The towers would still be standing.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)it was Bill Clinton who pulled the U.N. weapons inspectors out of Iraq because they weren't finding any WMD. We then imposed some of the harshest sanctions ever imposed on a country, sanctions that included food and medicine. It is estimated that 500,000 Iraqi children died because of those sanctions.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)They are worse than Democrats.
I remember all that crap in 2000 about how Gore was "just as bad as W."
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)Paraguay awaits.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Why not just draw a big chalk arrow in the streets of Manhattan, leading back to the Saudi Embassy, dude?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)brett_jv
(1,245 posts)And ask 'Seriously, how fu**ing STUPID ... are you?'
I've been saying LIHOP at a minimum, most likely MIHOP ... since about Sept 30, 2001.
Can you just IMAGINE how apoplectic every CON in this country would be ... if there was a pic of Obama kissing a Muslim Prince ... whose family had given 130K to the 9/11 hijackers? I mean, seriously.
GWB got away with it though, thanks to the -R by his name ... and how credulous our stupid populace is.
Oh, and the thought that there'd be some cheap oil and lots of dead muslims in the end.
JohnyCanuck
(9,922 posts)....and the thorough job the mainstream media presstitutes and media whores did in helping sweep it all under the carpet by carefully omitting to connect the dots between Bush and the Saudis and (very importantly) by labeling anyone who had the temerity to not buy into the "official conspiracy theory" they were complicit in propagating, irony of ironies, just another loony-tune "conspiracy theorist."
Zira
(1,054 posts)And, lets not forget the Saudi Arms deal that Hillary fought for and accepted a large donation from Saudi Arabia to the Clinton foundation after.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)RIP Friends- we will never forget. And thanks Phil- you knew, and you tried to tell us all.
http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/
JohnyCanuck
(9,922 posts)Russ Baker is an investigative journalist and author of the book Family of Secrets:The Bush Dynasty, Americas Invisible Government, and the hidden History of the Last Fifty Years. One of the areas his web site WhoWhatWhy.org has covered is the links between the 9/11 hijackers and high level Saudis and the evidence that there was a coverup of Saudi involvement with the hijackers
9/11, the Saudis and those 28 Pages a WhoWhatWhy Backgrounder
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We watched the program (CBS 60Minutes /JC)with interest, and imagine that you may have, too. We also hope you will visit, or revisit, work we have done on this and related topics all of which point to the fact that the authorities are not leveling with us about 9/11, that the Saudi angle deserves further scrutiny, and that much more work needs to be done, in a host of areas.
Heres a long investigative article we did revealing previously unknown, deep connections between highly placed Saudis and the hijackers themselves. Its worth taking the time to carefully read and ponder the material.
Heres a piece about FBI efforts to deflect evidence in the above article that the FBI itself discovered Saudi 9/11 links, and had to hide and deny what it found.
And heres a story on how the government is so terribly worried about the Saudi angle being revealed that it will even threaten and intimidate top former government officials to silence them.
See embedded links in the original: http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/04/10/911-saudis-28-pages-whowhatwhy-backgrounder/
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I met him at the JFK: Passing the Torch conference at Duquesne. Smart as a whip and a heck of a nice guy.
He hangs out with Peter Dale Scott and the most dangerous man in America, Daniel Ellsberg.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)I'm not surprised exactly but such a direct connection getting buried is interesting.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)$130 grand would buy a hell of a lot of Slurpees and hot dogs!