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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReligious Group Sues Over Open-Air Urinal At San Francisco’s Dolores Park
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/religious-group-sues-san-francisco-over-open-air-urinal/?w=640&h=360&crop=1
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS / AP) A religious organization has filed a lawsuit against the city of San Francisco to remove an open-air urinal it calls unsanitary and indecent from a popular park.
The Chinese Christian Union of San Francisco filed a civil complaint last week demanding the city remove the concrete circular urinal from the iconic Dolores Park.
The group says the urinal, which is out in the open and screened only with plants for privacy, emanates offensive odors, has no hand-washing facilities and its offensive to manners and morals.
The lawsuit further alleges that the facility installed in February discriminates against women and the disabled and exposes those who use it to shame and embarrassment.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)I can't argue with the complaint. If they want to put bathroom facilities in the park, throw up some walls.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)It was a modest solution proposed to encourage park-users to not pee on the greenery, walls or sidewalks.
Apparently, it's not so much the lack of ability to install plumbing...it's about some park-users exercising their civil disobedience in furtherance of their belief in public urination. (I'm going to admit I don't get it...but there it is. There are restrooms...this is for the people that refuse to use them.)
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)I know a couple of people who prefer to pee outside rather than use most public restrooms. Unfortunately, they're both women, so this kind of thing wouldn't help them.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)waste of money!
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)We constantly have people peeing between our cars and on our garbage cans.
I used to get mad. Then I remembered I made a few "alley stops" when I was a yoot.
I've gone from wanting to poor boiling oil off my third story deck, to wanting to get a megaphone and try the embarrassment angle "hey, that looks like a dick, only smaller" ...
... lately I think about getting a camera and starting a porn site "the dicks of Wrigley Field". Why not turn a profit?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And yeah, I suspect it hasn't changed much in that regard.
Initech
(100,079 posts):??:
Though I do agree with them on this one!
immoderate
(20,885 posts)And if we tear down this edifice...
--imm
Initech
(100,079 posts)I think Bill Maher said one time something like "Face it, we are a bunch of lazy slobs who won't be happy until we can go to the mall wearing a diaper."
immoderate
(20,885 posts)The more civilized (and populated) we become, the more limited the areas for natural relief.
People who wear diapers can't usually complain about it.
--imm
jonno99
(2,620 posts)it "blurs" what you're holding??
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)It's hard to find an actual toilet sometimes, and some people stopped bothering to find one. Kind of an uphill battle.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Sane and sober people don't "pee all over the place"
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)there seems to be a higher number of people who fit that description in San Francisco. (Than in other cities.) Hasn't it been said that governments from Red Counties throughout California bus their homeless people to SF?
Services for homeless and the mentally ill need to be increased.
I do remember smelling urine quite a bit in SF. The smell would randomly hit me as we were walking around the city.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)escalators at Powell and Market street, where it comes up from the Muni and Bart Station. Omg, during the summer I had to hold my nose, it wreaked of Urine..
Quantess
(27,630 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)out the stink.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I took a trip to Europe. We decided that we weren't going to drink anything but beer the whole time we were there (no water or coffee allowed) and I was proud of myself for peeing on the street or major building of every city or town I visited while I was there for two weeks.
I don't know what that accomplished, but I was pretty proud of it. After the incident where Marilyn Manson spit on me when I was at one of his concerts in 1997, it is one of my proudest moments in life. Well, there was this one time when I was 12 or 13 years old and I was riding on a spinny ride high in the air at a country fair with my friend's hot sister's friend. I puked all over the place and I covered all sorts of people below me with my puke! Nobody had a clue who did it and I got away with it scott free! The girl I was with was completely disgusted and it was completely awesome.
hunter
(38,316 posts)The photo is a little misleading. More pictures:
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/group-suing-sf-remove-urinals-dolores-park-pissoir-7256033.php
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)Does the urine just pool up at the base?
*edit*
ahhh here were go
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)This is a substance abuse and anti-social behavior issue, not an infrastructure one.
hunter
(38,316 posts)Would you like to be nominated for toilet monitor duty?
Dealing with anti-social substance abusers isn't easy, especially those with money.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)As opposed to pissing themselves or just whatever is three feet away from them?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It was screened all the way around, but only from neck to mid-calf, so people could see the heads and feet and streams of the users.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)GOLD!
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)I saw a guy using an open air urinal that looked like a building on a busy street the other day.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)peeing walls in the men's room. Apparently, you pee against the wall and there's a drain running along the floor
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Truly we're the Roman empire now. How about afew vomitoriums thrown in for a few bucks more?
Democat
(11,617 posts)Sounds like Utah, not San Francisco.
3catwoman3
(24,003 posts)...women using this facility. Do men not value privacy for thee performance of bodily functions? It has always puzzled me that there are no stalls around urinals. I would NEVER want to pee with an audience.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)In the third world you can see people squating on the sidewalks. Some places have open sewers with trenches to squat over.
In France, stall-less urinals are often placed next to community sinks in public restrooms. So a woman can be washing her hands while a guy is relieving himself 2' away.
The urinals in the public restrooms at the Eiffel Tower have stalls, but they only are about 4' tall, so you can wave at your wife in line for the women's toilets.
3catwoman3
(24,003 posts)AKAIK, San Francisco is a first world city.
I lived in Japan for 2 years, while in the Air Force nurse corps. One of the more challenging experiences was trying to use one of the in-the-floor trough/trench type toilets, while having a gastrointestinal illness, while on a moving train that was swaying side to side. Thank goodness for the handrails on the walls. Trying to gather up a long skirt or get your pants for enough off so as not to pee on your clothes was an additional challenge.
Relieving oneself in public if you are a female wearing jeans/trousers, would require fully disrobing from the waist down. No thanks.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The only place in the third world I have seen that was India, and the (primarily men) who were doing it would immediately face an onslaught of verbal abuse and occasionally thrown objects.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)People peeing on street medians with traffic going by, people peeing on buildings.
On a major government building in Saigon I saw messages painted on the outer walls in red about every 10 feet, all the way around. It said something like "Cong Dai!" I turned to my interpreter and asked what that meant, "Cong Dai! Cong Dai! Cong Dai!"
My interpreter told me it means "Don't Pee! Don't Pee! Don't Pee!"
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)3catwoman3
(24,003 posts)...Frederick's of Hollywood, or Lover's Lane -
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)At least assuming the reason for underwear is to protect your pants from your ass. At least assless pants still achieves that goal.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)johnp3907
(3,731 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)been to Dolores Park and never noticed that. How odd...and Yes, put in a Facility with toilets and Running water! Who thought this was a good idea??
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)This story gives more of the background:
Dolores Park, with spiffy new look, reopens next week in S.F.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Dolores-Park-with-spiffy-new-look-reopens-next-6744096.php
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Party on, Frank!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)If I had to predict the top 100 things in Dolores Park likely to offend these plaintiffs, I wouldnt have guessed that this would make the cut, City Attorney spokesman Matt Dorsey said in the statement.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)trueblue2007
(17,223 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)to use a public bathroom, in many cases.
I don't know if Dolores Park has public restrooms- it's been a long time since I chilled on the hills there- but I can tell you I've spent plenty of time wandering around overpriced San Francisco neighborhoods looking for a place to take a leak that wouldn't require me to sit down and order a full dinner, first.
Also, that thing looks more like a pitcher's backstop than a urinal. I would imagine the softball leagues find it confusing. Just sayin'.