of what happened, what the law and the Constitution say (not actually say since most didn't read any of it) and what they hear from the RW media which stoked their fires even more. Most truly believed in the rightness of their cause because it would benefit them they thought.

Now they are getting a big dose of reality from their lawyers about what the law and the Constitution actually say. I am sure most remain in denial. There is usually a flurry of changing attorneys because they believe the attorney is selling them out by telling them the truth. After they start hearing the same thing from the new attorneys they start to plead out.

I have met my share of these types who try to convince me that the IRS has no authority to collect taxes etc., and I tell them that they are in the 1%! The 1% they are a part of believe like they do and everyone else believes what I am telling them. I am a civil attorney, the criminal attorneys get this a lot more I suspect.

I learned exactly that. Had a wonderful attorney that told me exactly what the judge and court would do and she was 200% correct.

She told me in cases like mine, both sides end up with half what they expect.

The Bundy Gang had apparently been working on their scheme for a while, and threats and intimidation weren't just accidental by-products, but a calculated plan.

It will be interesting to see this testimony and evidence come out during their trial.

The more it becomes evident that those anti-American morons are far, FAR more ignorant than we ever imagined.

I'm talking orders of magnitude here...

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Why if the Feds were aware of them were they allowed to go as far as they did? FBI and DOJ generally jump into things much sooner than they seemed to do here. If they knew who was at the Bundy stand-off did they also know who coordinated it?

Were the Oregon State Police, CID or AG aware of the level of harassment prior to the takeover? Had anyone alerted the FBI? Why were the Bundy gang able to move about so easily throughout the western region during the 20 months between the armed standoff in Nevada and the armed takeover in Oregon? Why did Ammon Bundy in the middle of all this buy a new home in Emmet, Idaho, a 3 hour drive from the Refuge occupation site, a 10 hour drive from his father's Bunkerville home and 15 hours from his fleet servicing business address in Phoenix Arizona?

when a particular religious faction dominates the state government... like in ID, NV, UT you can see how the feds can be hampered in their operations. I live in the region, a couple of those terrorists are from right down the road a piece. I live in MT and still there are some communities where that faction has sway over all legal issues and laws in these places. A fact of life not many from outside the region easily understand.

I suspect, also, that they were not only supported by collusion of some state officials but funded by the likes of the octopus we have been up against for decades, an octopus which is heel bent on confiscation of our public lands... and what better place to try and start a newly revived range war than in a state where a woman is governor... newly placed and untested? The misogyny runs deep and the fear of male domination in all things where control can be had is a terrifying thought for most of these brainwashed/braindead imbeciles. Bullying has always worked for them in the past but the social fabric has evolved while they have not... time for nature to take its course here.

My humble opinion is that if they cannot behave like members of the MT community and respect local law where they live in now, they really should go down the road to Utah where they came from not that long ago. Montana is not a colony of the Bee Hive state.

Perhaps the Feds were playing the long game and letting the Bundy gang dig themselves into a Grand Canyon deep hole. Idiots like the Bundys are going to continue to pull crap like what they did in Oregon and Feds had to know that sooner or later they were going to have to take them on and deal with them. Perhaps they picked a place what would minimize danger to the citizens, allow them to physically isolate the idiots and pick the right time and place to begin to role them up. Cliven Bundy was stupid enough to leave his protected area and hop a plane to Oregon where they were able to easily scoop him up and put him in handcuffs. It made it easier for them to safely go after the idiots from the Nevada standoff as a bonus.


The Feds had the benefit of getting the majority of people on their side while the Bundy gang failed to gain any support from the sane crowd.

Ammon, Ryan and several of the others were very active and visible in Washington, MT, Idaho and Oregon during that time including several confrontations with state and local police during which Ammon et al went side armed. I can see taking time to build the evidence regarding other contacts in the Bundy-centric network. I don't see how it took nearly 2 years to get them when they were often on the road in and in public, rather than on the grounds of Fortress Bunkerville.

A federal warrant applies anywhere. These guys were threatening people in Burns and elsewhere LONG before the Malheur Refuge occupation took place. Conveying a threat to Federal employees is felony time. Harassment likewise carries meaningful penalties. I'm sure that doing the same to Sworn Peace Officers or family members of same falls into that penalty scheme.

If the Bloods or Crips were tearing around your neighborhood, following you into the grocery store, or walking up to your wife and kids at the laundromat, I think you'd expect more than "we're waiting for the right moment" from the FBI or any other Law enforcement.

I also wonder that they haven't served a search warrant on the house in Emmett, Idaho since the warrant specifies a conspiracy.

They should be kept in prison until they are no longer a threat to society, which for some of them may be until they draw their last breath.

Well said. It was almost painful to watch the slow playing out of the occupation. I feel sorry for the people in the town that was occupied by the well-regurgitated militia.

Freaking ugh...