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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVery important case for EVERYONE being argued today at US Supreme Court: Birchfield v. North Dakota
Note that people can be falsely arrested by abuse of power and
corruption -- and that a fake DUI arrest is indeed a tactic used on the completely innocent
(which might be news to MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving)).
I truly sympathize and understand why MADD is mad, but I think they would
be just as mad if they knew that DUI laws can indeed be abused by corrupt law enforcement
against those just as innocent as the victims MADD represents, and by those
corrupt politicians controlling corrupt law enforcement
(which, by the way, does not mean everyone in law enforcement is corrupt or wants to be).
But public corruption does happens -- and a fake
DUI arrest is quite easy to do, to falsely make a completely innocent person look like a criminal.
One fake DUI arrest (especially with a fake DUI conviction) can literally destroy your life, your job, etc.
Consequently I was very happy to see that the ACLU filed a brief in this case, as explained here:
https://www.aclu.org/cases/birchfield-v-north-dakota
Whether states may criminalize a drivers refusal to consent to a warrantless blood, breath or urine test for alcohol after a drunk driving arrest.
In 2013, the Supreme Court held in Missouri v. McNeely that the Fourth Amendment bars warrantless blood tests in drunk driving cases absent exigent circumstances beyond the normal dissipation of alcohol in the blood.
The issue in this case is whether a state can criminally prosecute a driver for exercising his Fourth Amendment right to refuse consent.
The ACLU argues in an amicus brief that the assertion of a constitutional right can never be a crime, and that the government cannot avoid this basic rule by treating the issuance of a drivers license as a blanket consent to all future blood, breath, or urine testing without a warrant.
anobserver2
(836 posts)I hope the US Supreme Court recognizes the rights of those who are innocent -- and does not give the government
another way to abuse its power over the innocent.
BTW, in FL, in 2000, the law was that you didn't have to blow (especially when you were assaulted and battered by police, and had reason thus to think they would lie about the reading), as not blowing could not be used against you at a trial.
But then the law changed: now, in Florida, if you don't blow, your failure to blow can be counted against you as evidence
you committed the crime of DUI.
Just FYI,
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The amended complaint, filed Friday morning, states that Tanabe conspired with Butler to obstruct justice by "falsely" and "malicioulsy" charging and arresting two men for DUI. The complaint also states that Tanabe accepted a bribe from Butler. The DA's investigation is ongoing....
* On Nov. 2, Tanabe allegedly told the female decoy to speed away from bar, and that Tanabe asked another Danville officer to stop that individual shortly thereafter for a suspected DUI....
* On Jan. 14 Butler arranged to have Tanabe at a different bar in Danville, Vine Bar. Tanabe told another police officer that he will perform a "dirty DUI" on a second individual. Allegedly Butler gave Tanabe a description of the second individual's car and that Tanabe arrested that individual for DUI.
anobserver2
(836 posts)Yes, a "Dirty DUI" is what I'm talking about. And until it happens to you -- when you haven't had a drop to drink and you haven't had any drugs whatsoever -- you may not think it's possible. Guess again -- it can happen. To you. Due to corruption, dirty politicians, you name it.
It can happen -- and it does happen.
Thanks again for posting that. Sometimes the only chance you have to save yourself is NOT blow. NOT to give any evidence, because anything you do will be corrupted and used against you.
anobserver2
(836 posts)When I was much younger, and far more naive than I am now, I would read in the newspaper
stories of people arrested for DUI -- who blew -- and then spent thousands of dollars and years in appeals
claiming: "that DUI breath machine didn't work right."
And I would think: "Huh. ANOTHER one of these DUI breath machines that doesn't work right. This town's police department should really fix these machines!"
Maybe. But, another problem is this: some police lie. You blow a zero, but the police can tell you: you're drunk as a skunk, according to "the machine." (Even though you know: you're not.)
Also --
another tip: In addition to avoiding the CA town named above in post #2 by someone, I suggest: avoid Naples, Florida. "Dirty DUI" is a favorite tactic in GOP Collier County, Naples, Florida. There are plenty of other places to live, work and vacation.
anobserver2
(836 posts)BTW, adjacent to Naples, FL, and in the same 20th circuit court area, is the Ft Myers police -- where a real newspaper exists (unlike Naples, FL) and recently published an interesting article on problems with their police here:
http://www.news-press.com/story/news/local/fort-myers/2016/04/12/pattern-discrimination-retaliation-among-problems-marring-fmpd/82213280/
Excerpt: "Five officers have sued their own department for civil rights violations..."
Awhile ago I read of a case where a police officer was arrested while off-duty in what sounded to me like a Dirty DUI; he was a witness in a troubling murder case still unsolved and had yet to testify. I don't know whatever happened to that; I think the charges against him were finally dropped, as the police had no reason to stop him or something prior to the DUI arrest. (And, he did not blow, as I recall reading.)
anobserver2
(836 posts)A Dirty DUI is the quickest way for the powerful to discredit unwanted testimony, is what it seems to me.