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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:49 PM Apr 2016

Why is Jackson going to be on the back of the $20 bill?

Why does Andrew Jackson have to stay on the back of the $20 bill? Isn't that weird on a couple of levels? 1) Jackson owned hundreds of slaves. 2) If the step is being taken to put a woman for the first time on paper currency, and that is momentous... why share it? Weird, but indicative of society and culture I suppose..

Especially a guy who owned hundreds of slaves and responsible for the genocide of native americans.... On the same bill with a woman who ran the underground railroad.... WTH?

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/20/11469442/harriet-tubman-andrew-jackson-20-dollar-bill

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Why is Jackson going to be on the back of the $20 bill? (Original Post) boston bean Apr 2016 OP
Because he founded our Party? AngryAmish Apr 2016 #1
Jefferson founded our party a long time earlier and our political views The Second Stone Apr 2016 #19
Didn't he start the fed or start money or something yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #35
No. The Federal Reserve Bank was started in 1913 The Second Stone Apr 2016 #38
Thank you. I have to learn more about these presidents....clearly. yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #39
Jefferson and Jackson were both slave owners The Second Stone Apr 2016 #40
To remind Native Americans lest they forget... haikugal Apr 2016 #2
IKR? 2naSalit Apr 2016 #52
Because paper money with only a picture of a woman is no good! peace13 Apr 2016 #3
It's ludicrous and defeated the entire purpose. boston bean Apr 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 Apr 2016 #4
He also killed a shit load of native Americans. trumad Apr 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 Apr 2016 #8
Not a distant cause. it paved the way. nt boston bean Apr 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 Apr 2016 #10
You can't be fucking serious? trumad Apr 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 Apr 2016 #14
Oh poor me.. trumad Apr 2016 #17
trumad, cut some slack if you can. sometimes posts are a bit more nuanced than they come off. boston bean Apr 2016 #20
For you Bean...no problem. trumad Apr 2016 #34
Ok, so?? Why does the man who owned hundreds of slaves and was responsible for the genocide boston bean Apr 2016 #12
I agree. Its bad. I really don't want to defend Jackson but Gomez163 Apr 2016 #16
I hear ya. thanks for answering. boston bean Apr 2016 #18
Had we lost the Revolutionary War, we'd have health care, etc. Hoyt Apr 2016 #33
Yeah, it'd be like, we finally got around to electing a female president... Bucky Apr 2016 #24
Are you alright? boston bean Apr 2016 #25
give me a week Bucky Apr 2016 #26
Andrew Jackson would find it very offensive to be on a Federal Reserve Note. roamer65 Apr 2016 #7
and then... Bucky Apr 2016 #23
Only if we insulted his wife. haikugal Apr 2016 #31
This is the only good reason for his ever being there. surrealAmerican Apr 2016 #27
Because people call bills by the name of the face liberal N proud Apr 2016 #13
you aren't serious?? boston bean Apr 2016 #15
I can't wait to say "off to work to make those Tubs" bigwillq Apr 2016 #29
Isn't it enough that the word "man" appears in her name! boston bean Apr 2016 #30
I call 'em 5s, 10s, 20s, and 100s. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #47
So the racists will feel comfortable using the $20 bill if they turn it over? NV Whino Apr 2016 #21
in case Tubman runs away again, he can bring her back for the bounty Bucky Apr 2016 #22
Jeffersonian versus Jacksonian democracy 1939 Apr 2016 #28
He wasn't all bad. haikugal Apr 2016 #32
Jaksa Chula Harjo Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #36
I don't like change Reter Apr 2016 #37
Funny Money Puns are Punny but not Funny, Honey. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #41
Beats me robertgodardfromnj Apr 2016 #42
NOOOOOOO!!!! I was so happy about this, too, thinking, "gosh, maybe we are turning a corner" AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #43
I much rather keep Jackson on the $20 than Hamilton on the $10. ozone_man Apr 2016 #44
I think we should put Trump on a bill... fullautohotdog Apr 2016 #45
They should put Michael Jackson on the back. yellowcanine Apr 2016 #46
It represents our duality and our hypocrisy. sofa king Apr 2016 #48
To your first point... George Washington should then be removed from $1 bill and the .25 piece. Glassunion Apr 2016 #49
Security reasons, for one thing. BKH70041 Apr 2016 #50
Do you remember Lee - Jackson - King Day? FSogol Apr 2016 #51
 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
19. Jefferson founded our party a long time earlier and our political views
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

have changed a lot since then. And I don't see why the founder of a party, in and of itself, warrants being put on money of all the people.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
35. Didn't he start the fed or start money or something
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

He had a big part of the economy in some way but I embarrassingly don't remember exactly what it was. The Mint thought it was appropriate to keep him on the back of the twenty for that reason.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
38. No. The Federal Reserve Bank was started in 1913
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016

while Woodrow Wilson was President. To commemorate this, Wilson was featured on the $100,000 federal reserve note, which was only used internally at the fed. Jackson opposed national banks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Federal_Reserve_System

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
40. Jefferson and Jackson were both slave owners
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

Jefferson knew enough to feel guilty about it. Jackson was a complete SOB as a human being. Violent, stupid, genocidal and racist. He's one of ours, but we really ought to not honor him in any way.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
3. Because paper money with only a picture of a woman is no good!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:56 PM
Apr 2016

The man on the back certifies that the tender is good! The whole thing is bizarre. Why bother if she has to share. I can just see people only accepting the money if he is face up.

Response to boston bean (Original post)

Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Response to boston bean (Reply #9)

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
11. You can't be fucking serious?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

The fucking law began the process to remove Native Americans from their Native lands.

He wasn't a perfect man? Holy shit!

Response to trumad (Reply #11)

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
20. trumad, cut some slack if you can. sometimes posts are a bit more nuanced than they come off.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

I think that was the case here.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
12. Ok, so?? Why does the man who owned hundreds of slaves and was responsible for the genocide
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

of native americans have to be on it with Harriet Tubman?

Can you see how this seems just a tad bit oppositional?

And why when we are going to put the first female on paper currency does she have to share it? Especially with Andrew Jackson???

 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
16. I agree. Its bad. I really don't want to defend Jackson but
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

some really awful people saved our asses in both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.

I wish they would take him off completely.

Bucky

(54,026 posts)
24. Yeah, it'd be like, we finally got around to electing a female president...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016

and it turns out she was just some other male president's wife!

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
7. Andrew Jackson would find it very offensive to be on a Federal Reserve Note.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

He hated central banks with a passion and he was the one who killed the charter for the second Bank of the United States.
I think he would tell us to remove his portrait from the note completely, if he were here today.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
27. This is the only good reason for his ever being there.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

He was a vile human being, and this is something he would have considered an insult.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
47. I call 'em 5s, 10s, 20s, and 100s.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

Honestly I couldn't tell you who was on what other than George Washington and that's only because of the ONE and FIRST relationship.

Why do we need people on money anyway?

Bucky

(54,026 posts)
22. in case Tubman runs away again, he can bring her back for the bounty
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

Oh, stop it. You thought of this too.

1939

(1,683 posts)
28. Jeffersonian versus Jacksonian democracy
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

The soul of the Democratic Party is still torn between these two philosophies.

Jefferson felt that the party should represent the common man, but that the country should be run by the educated elites for the benefit of the common man.

Jackson felt that the party should represent the common man, but that the common man should run the country for his own benefit.



 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
37. I don't like change
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

Keep it the way it is, or make a $30 or $200 bill and add the others to those.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
43. NOOOOOOO!!!! I was so happy about this, too, thinking, "gosh, maybe we are turning a corner"
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:50 AM
Apr 2016

Only to find that Andrew Jackson is going to remain on the back? What kind of nonsense is this? I agree. It is ridiculous. It almost feels antithetical to its intention which is honoring this brave lady. What? She is not worthy of a whole bill?

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
44. I much rather keep Jackson on the $20 than Hamilton on the $10.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:57 PM
Apr 2016
Washington — IS it really possible that Alexander Hamilton, of all people, is about to relegate a woman to the back of the $10 bill, just 10 months after the Treasury Department promised to feature a woman on the new version of the note?

With Hamilton, a philandering liar who was the first secretary of the Treasury, having a star turn on Broadway, his successor Jacob J. Lew has apparently decided to keep him on the front of the bill. According to reports, Secretary Lew will place a woman (or perhaps several women) on the back.

It’s yet another “wait your turn” moment for American women. When formerly enslaved men got the right to vote in 1870, women demanding their own suffrage were told to wait; their turn would come. It took a half-century, and a heroic struggle, before they achieved the vote in 1920.

The updated $10 bill, scheduled to enter circulation in 2020, was supposed to celebrate the centennial of that achievement. Now it will be more like a footnote. That is more than a broken promise; it’s a blatant and insulting statement of women’s second-class status.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/opinion/the-hamilton-id-put-on-the-10-bill.html?src=me&ref=general&_r=0

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
48. It represents our duality and our hypocrisy.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

We say we represent freedom, then overthrow governments around the world and steal elections from ourselves.

We say we stand for peace, then lie to start wars.

We said we freed the slaves, then continued to deny African-Americans their civil rights for 150 years.

So yeah, why wouldn't we put a slave and a slave-holder on the same bill? One side represents what we pretend to be, the other side reminds us of what we really are.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
50. Security reasons, for one thing.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

I think they're going to place multiple faces of historical figures on several of the bills, including the $10. The more detail, the harder it is to counterfeit; at least that's what an old dorm-mate from Wharton who works for the BEP told me several years ago.

Andrew Jackson is better known for Jacksonian democracy than the other items, which is why he was on the currency to begin with. The concept of "greater democracy for the common man" and the freeing of slaves goes hand-in-hand in my POV.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
51. Do you remember Lee - Jackson - King Day?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

From wiki:

Lee-Jackson-King Day was a holiday celebrated in the Commonwealth of Virginia from 1984 to 2000.

Robert E. Lee's birthday (January 19, 1807) has been celebrated as a Virginia holiday since 1889. In 1904, the legislature added the birthday of Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson (January 21, 1824) to the holiday, and Lee–Jackson Day was born.

In 1983, the United States Congress declared January 15 to be a national holiday in honor of civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. Since 1978, Virginia had celebrated King's birthday in conjunction with New Year's Day. To align with the federal holiday, the Virginia legislature combined King's celebration with the existing Lee-Jackson holiday.

In 2000, Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore proposed splitting Lee-Jackson-King Day into two separate holidays after debate arose over whether the nature of the holiday which simultaneously celebrated the lives of Confederate generals and a civil rights icon was incongruous. The measure was approved and the two holidays are now celebrated separately as Lee–Jackson Day and Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.


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