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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:41 AM Apr 2016

Under GOP Plan Military Would Revert To Private Insurance Companies For Health Care.

The GOP plan for the military is to convert it to private health care. Their idea is consistent with their idea to convert the VA system as well to a "voucher" program. Lest we forget Bush & company wanted to privatize the military health care system as well by turing over MASH operations to companies like Halliburton.

The fundamental GOP philosophy on health care for the military eventually is to make it and all health care privatized with vouchers, health care savings accounts and other subsidies. That includes shopping around for your own health care as a veteran. Look at their damned rhetoric and carry it out logically to the end.

Such a terrain would also mean all the same restrictions that used to exist before Obama care. So imagine being a disabled veteran looking for health care with lifetime restrictions, insurance that can be cancelled and copays for care. The members on the VA commission who are Republicans supported by the Kochs have officially said that the VA should be privatized.

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Under GOP Plan Military Would Revert To Private Insurance Companies For Health Care. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 OP
This would be a crime against America's veterans tabasco Apr 2016 #1
Repubes want to starve public good and FEED their Corporate PIGs AxionExcel Apr 2016 #7
In every GOP plan, some cronie has to get rich liberal N proud Apr 2016 #2
Hold still. Wait for the outrage when they try to get rid of TRICARE underpants Apr 2016 #3
What he said. sarge43 Apr 2016 #16
They Would Privatize Tricare As Well Because It Would Have To Be Included In VA Reform. TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 #39
Of course. sarge43 Apr 2016 #43
You must have Tricare Prime SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2016 #61
Along with Medicare. So far they've kept spousal unit and me in one piece. sarge43 Apr 2016 #65
Tricare for Life is pretty good 1939 Apr 2016 #68
Does anyone really wonder sorefeet Apr 2016 #4
I receive excellent care from the VA tabasco Apr 2016 #10
VA is great faye Apr 2016 #33
Your Disability Would Fall Under Private Health Care Under Their Reforms. TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 #40
But yet they vote overwhelming ly for Republicans Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #15
Link? tabasco Apr 2016 #44
What planet do you live on? Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #49
You made the claim. tabasco Apr 2016 #52
I stated a well documented fact Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #55
A well-documented fact for which you cannot provide one link. tabasco Apr 2016 #73
Crow...it is what's for dinner. Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #75
I don't know which VA facility you use The Wizard Apr 2016 #17
I have been told to my face sorefeet Apr 2016 #26
These events should be reported to BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #30
They won't be held accountable... TipTok Apr 2016 #48
See I told you guys sorefeet Apr 2016 #57
Remember What State You Are In. Chances Are Some Of Those Staffers Are GOPPERS. TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 #41
Yep, today was just another humiliating visit sorefeet Apr 2016 #60
Make sure you look at the whole picture. Like public education, Congress has cut funding Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #21
Peace Dustlawyer sorefeet Apr 2016 #53
I can relate to your screen name, I have small fiber sensory neuropathy in both legs and feet. Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #54
I have idiopathic neuropathy in hands and feet 1939 Apr 2016 #69
They always deny neuropathy sorefeet Apr 2016 #70
Veteran = "shot at and missed, shit at and hit" 1939 Apr 2016 #71
Yea I can't believe that sorefeet Apr 2016 #74
Normally, car to the store isn't bad. 1939 Apr 2016 #78
My husband gets all his care from the VA katsy Apr 2016 #25
I've had to take a drug test in private health care (ER) postatomic Apr 2016 #76
The Republicans are evil. We have to retake Congress. yardwork Apr 2016 #5
Yes, they are powers of darkness in high places. sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #8
Similar to their Medicare plan. Vinca Apr 2016 #6
Nice. Shadowflash Apr 2016 #9
Just look to the states held and run by republicans Loki Apr 2016 #11
Companies don't have to provide this service greymattermom Apr 2016 #12
We can't let any of these people win. We can't let them turn this country into a private dystopia liberalnarb Apr 2016 #13
First places I think of for expertise in battlefield traumatic injuries are private hospitals! Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #14
Health issues associated with military service The Wizard Apr 2016 #20
The Reality Is The GOP Does Not Want Care For Sick People Even If They Are Combat Vets. TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 #42
My son-in-law was a Navy independent duty corpsman 1939 Apr 2016 #46
Mmm, more profits. malthaussen Apr 2016 #18
Congress does pay for their healthcare SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2016 #62
Vouchers are them saying "Here's a coupon, you're on your own." Snarkoleptic Apr 2016 #19
Fighting for our freedumb. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #22
This is how MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #23
How much more will this cost the taxpayers? B Calm Apr 2016 #24
$16.3 billion was allocated so far ~ HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #31
The VA was a lifeline for my WW2 father. There are a lot of vets that live hundreds of B Calm Apr 2016 #34
Oh, I say help them of course HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #36
I can just imagine battle field private health care. -none Apr 2016 #27
Depending on how much money is involved, Hillary TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #28
I agree angrychair Apr 2016 #32
Socialize the costs, privatize the profits n/t hibbing Apr 2016 #29
Even if you socialized it though in the end you still have to spend money cstanleytech Apr 2016 #38
why don't they just add them to Medicare tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #35
That makes total sense. +1 B Calm Apr 2016 #45
Because fewer doctors take Medicare patients than TriCare. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #59
Might not be a bad idea. cstanleytech Apr 2016 #37
Six of one.. Half a dozen of the other... TipTok Apr 2016 #47
I don't think that is correct. Can you please provide a link? hack89 Apr 2016 #50
Certainly not in support of GOPer plan, but VA and Tricare do pay non-government providers for a lot Hoyt Apr 2016 #51
No surprise. Their underfunding and subsequent attacks on the VA were just a warm-up. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #56
They are trying to get them on 401k plans, too awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #58
The military has had 401(k) plans for years SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2016 #63
I should clarify awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #64
No, they aren't SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2016 #66
This law doesnt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #67
An extension of their classic Die Quickly program. Overseas Apr 2016 #72
Because when you are a republican Turbineguy Apr 2016 #77
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
1. This would be a crime against America's veterans
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:46 AM
Apr 2016

There is nothing good about America that scum republicans do not want to destroy.

AxionExcel

(755 posts)
7. Repubes want to starve public good and FEED their Corporate PIGs
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:37 AM
Apr 2016

The Repubes are waging economic and immoral war on the people of America. They are in devoted, bootlicking, pocket-stuffing subservience to their "Citizens" United, Inc. overlords.

underpants

(182,826 posts)
3. Hold still. Wait for the outrage when they try to get rid of TRICARE
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:09 AM
Apr 2016

TRICARE is very very popular. It's a *ahem* a single payer system.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
16. What he said.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:30 AM
Apr 2016

Under Tricare I've had three major operations. No paper work, no pay outs. A single payer system can and does work.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
39. They Would Privatize Tricare As Well Because It Would Have To Be Included In VA Reform.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

There are presently 40,000 vacant jobs at VA that the GOP won't fund to refill. That is why the VA has so long waiting periods. They want ALL health care under the corporate benefits restricted system.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
43. Of course.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

Pre existing conditions would be back and that would screw over just about anyone who spent more than a couple of weeks in service.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
61. You must have Tricare Prime
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

Because Tricare Standard pretty much sucks as primary insurance, IMO.

I use it as secondary to my BC/BS, and it's OK for that.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
65. Along with Medicare. So far they've kept spousal unit and me in one piece.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

Just saying that single payer health care is not an impossible dream or even too hard.

1939

(1,683 posts)
68. Tricare for Life is pretty good
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

It kicks in when you are on Medicare. It is free (part of your retirement) and covers all of the Medicare deductibles and co-pays. All medical services are well taken care of and drugs are just a small co-pay. Dental and vision aren't covered and they won't pay the Medicare co-pay for Chiropractic.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
4. Does anyone really wonder
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:13 AM
Apr 2016

why 22 Veterans commit suicide every fucking day??????????????????????????????? No one cares and we know it. 10 months for an eye appointment. 7 weeks and still waiting for glasses. One year total, maybe. Are they that God damned busy! No, no one cares and we know it. Still waiting one year for results from blood test. Talked to her one week ago she said I'll get the results in the mail today. Liar. They constantly lie to me. I have an appointment today for labs, which means nothing but a drug test. They care nothing about my health. The drug test is to cover HER ass. INEQUALITY????? There are tiers. Some get treatment, some don't. I call the V.A. the most dangerous place in America. A fuck of a lot more Vets die under V.A. care than die in the wars they start. They don't care and we know it. Put politicians under V.A. care and watch how long it takes to fix it.

 

faye

(39 posts)
33. VA is great
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

The Des Moines area VA is excellent. I to am a service connected vet with no complaints.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
40. Your Disability Would Fall Under Private Health Care Under Their Reforms.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:19 AM
Apr 2016

They are NOT openly discussing VA and military health care reforms but their policy intentions are privatization. Concerned Veterans For America is a shill organization funded by the Kochs to REFORM all health care including disabled vets even with 100% disabilities.

The argument is that the private sector can do the worker cheaper and more efficiently than the military or government. Remember they don't give a SHIT about veterans who served and neither does the GOP except as props.

Veterans vote GOP most of the time. So they think they have vets in the bag so to speak.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
44. Link?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

Would like to see a cite for the claim that vets overwhelmingly vote for republicans. Not this vet.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
49. What planet do you live on?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

Veterans pick Republicans over Democrats by 20 to 30% depending on the election. You can Google it for yourself if you want. There are hundreds of links. This is well documented

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
52. You made the claim.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

You back it up.

When people say, "go google it," it tells me they got nuthin'.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
55. I stated a well documented fact
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

That is a talking point every election. I am sorry but veterans as a whole vote Republican more than Democrats

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
17. I don't know which VA facility you use
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

but I get better care in many cases than I do at private facilities. Like all institutions the 15% factor is in effect. 15 % of the people at any given institution are assholes, and sometimes we have to deal with them.
If you aren't happy with the care you get you can register a complaint with the patient advocate. If that doesn't work contact the office of your congressional representative or senator. They usually have a staff member well versed in getting the VA to comply. If you belong to a veterans service organization like the VFW or Purple Heart they can also apply pressure to remedy your situation.
In the end, we're responsible for our own health care, be it at the VA or private facility.
They saved my life a couple of times. You just need a road map or someone on the inside to help negotiate the system.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
26. I have been told to my face
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

"why don't you people just go away". "You better get out of here before we get in a fist fight." "I don't trust you" I have had Vets tell me they were threatened to lose all their records. I couldn't even get a God damned penicillin script and ended in the fucking ER. Fuck these muther fuckers. BILLINGS MONTANA. It's humiliating to go there. 9 days to get a fucking refill on opiates. Will NOT write a prescription to walgreens.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
30. These events should be reported to
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

the proper authorities. They are unacceptable and someone must be held to account.

You may not get a response from the VA. So please write to Senator Jon Tester. Take the time to give specifics about people, problems, dates and situations. My understanding is that he reacts well to veterans' concerns. But he needs to have information in a coherent and logical manner.

You should also contact Senator Daines and Representative Zinke, although I understand that they are much less responsive. Still, just copy and paste whatever you write to Senator Tester. It's good to bug them all at the same time.

If no one responds or the response just blows you off, send the information again. But this time, let them know that you will be contacting the local newspaper (Billings Gazette?) to let them know about your reps' non-responses. Then follow up with phone calls to their offices, both in DC and their local officers in MT.

Be courteous to all at all times. I know it's a pain but honey works better than vinegar. And the old proverb that the squeaky wheel gets the grease is all too true, so persevere. It's a shame that anyone has to do this to get the rights/treatment they deserve. But occasionally people who are in a position to make a difference really do not know what is happening.

Senator Tester: https://www.tester.senate.gov/?p=email_senator

Senator Daines: https://www.daines.senate.gov/connect/email-steve

Congressman Zinke: https://zinke.house.gov/contact/email

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
48. They won't be held accountable...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

... As we have seen time and again with even the most clear cut evidence of negligence and mismanagement.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
57. See I told you guys
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

I just got back from the V.A. and that doctor is biased at me. I had the paper work to RENEW my handicap sticker and she refused to sign it. She said you mean you can't walk 200 feet without stopping. I said some times I can but it ain't pretty. I have NO balance I stagger it's a pain in the ass. I have 2 broken toes right now because I trip or hit stuff and can't feel it. So walking a distance sucks if I don't have to.
The temp that checked me in said they need help bad but there is no money allotted for them. She said they need billions And with a help shortage this is what you get. I would also wager that the people that are pleased with their V.A. aren't chronic pain patients nor legal medical marijuana users.
The V.A. in Billings Montana sucks.

Don't get me wrong I am 100% for single payer socialized medicine over private any day all day. But the V.A. system is broken. They need massive money but the war mongers won't give it to them (republicans).

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
41. Remember What State You Are In. Chances Are Some Of Those Staffers Are GOPPERS.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

There are a lot of GOP voters in our government institutions at all levels and they DO NOT believe in delivering the benefits even vets are entitled to. Also remember the background meme the GOP is playing is that vets benefits are welfare and vets are TAKERS and not MAKERS. I hear a lot of GOP types saying screw veterans. We cannot afford them.

So I understand your frustration but worked for the DOL and knew many GOPPERS who hated workers. Consider the source because GOPPERS want you to be pissed and NOT support the system. It serves them.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
60. Yep, today was just another humiliating visit
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

she said she would have to think about signing to renew my handicap sticker. Like I'm a God damned liar or some shit. Or maybe I'm getting better and it's a surprise. Fuck her. I don't want her fucking pitty. I don't want her fucking sticker. Any thing I ask her she has that fuck you smirk. I think she lost out on a higher position job and is bitter.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
21. Make sure you look at the whole picture. Like public education, Congress has cut funding
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:46 AM
Apr 2016

to make the program bad, then lobby for privatization. I had great public schools in my town that I am a product of. Now that same district is one of the worst in the nation and everyone who could afford it took their kids out to private schools.

The VA is no different. Bernie has been complaining of the cuts while the Republicans had us in a couple of wars. The number of Veterans exploded, but their care givers and facilities were reduced.

Don't fall for their crap. Putting private companies in who suck up most of the money for administrative costs and big salaries will come at the expense of veterans. It can and will get worse if this is passed. Demand more money for the VA!

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
53. Peace Dustlawyer
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

love your post man. Went in for labs this morning everything was fine. While I was waiting a newbie, retired old truck driver said it has been 2 years since he signed up for V.A. and this was his first appointment. Didn't even have his ID for the kiosk yet. Tomorrow is the big day. I see the doc. She doesn't remember me, but she is the one that said "why don't you people just go away." She was real mad and told me "I TAKE A VOW TO DO NO HARM". I said the vow actually says "you will do no harm NOR injustice." That slowed her anger way down. I actually fear tomorrow and will be very polite. Does everyone realize that if you are a CHRONIC pain patient it's a whole new ball game.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
54. I can relate to your screen name, I have small fiber sensory neuropathy in both legs and feet.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

I have a neural stimulator in my back to help with the pain, bet you do too! Peace Sorefeet!

1939

(1,683 posts)
69. I have idiopathic neuropathy in hands and feet
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

It is (supposedly) automatic coverage from VA for those exposed to Agent Orange (two Vietnam tours).

VA has denied it as not "early onset" (and treated me like dirt at their facility).

Screw them, Tricare for Life and Medicare means that I never have to see their sorry faces again and getting disability would just mean that part of my retirement pay is non-taxable (and I can live with paying income taxes).

What VA needs is three written complaints from three different people in 90 days and the employee is automatic history. No appeals, no union arbitration. See that the patients know this and see that the clerks and jerks know this. We need some ass-kissing from our civil "servants".

Some days it is like clumping around on two stumps, but there is no cure and i just have to live with it.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
70. They always deny neuropathy
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

30 years of swimming in solvents and chemicals and every bucket say may cause central nervous system damage, but they would rather classify it as unknown cause. Workers comp would never admit it in a million years.

I think it's time I write some serious letters to my reps before this quack kills me.

1939

(1,683 posts)
71. Veteran = "shot at and missed, shit at and hit"
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:15 PM
Apr 2016

I appreciate the retirement pay the government sends to the checking account each month, but my experiences over 28 years with military medical care and the VA leave a sour taste in my mouth. I love medicare and Tricare for Life because if I don't like a doctor or a hospital, I an free to go elsewhere (and take my government money with me). Military medical care and the VA to not give you that option.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
74. Yea I can't believe that
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

she wouldn't renew a handicap sticker. I ain't particularly fond of it but it sure comes in handy when it's fucking icy and snowy for someone that can't even feel their feet. My brain doesn't have a clue where my feet are at, it has no connection to my feet making walking difficult. Even on dry pavement I am so clumsy with drop foot. How many more Vets is she so JUDGEMENTAL with??

1939

(1,683 posts)
78. Normally, car to the store isn't bad.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

Sleeping and then getting up is like walking on two dead stumps.

Long session on the computer makes it painful to walk.

Driving any distance, the hands go numb.

"pay any price, bear any burden" so said JFK so I went "all the way for LBJ".


katsy

(4,246 posts)
25. My husband gets all his care from the VA
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:50 AM
Apr 2016

No complaints ever.

He gets free eyeglasses also and never has to wait for a routine appt any more than the rest of our family. Emergencies are handled immediately.

Getting a well-child or dental visit for my kids or myself always ends up a month out if not an emergency. That's kinda normal scheduling for the VA or us.



postatomic

(1,771 posts)
76. I've had to take a drug test in private health care (ER)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

Before they would give me any opiates for the 'just shoot me' pain I was in. In case you aren't aware there is a major Opiate addiction problem in this country. So, yes, she probably was covering her ass.

The VA suicide rate is a big concern with the VA. They've been bringing the Best and Brightest in the Psychology Field into their mental health program. I could say more, but I get the sense that you're just really pissed off. I'm pretty sure I know why but I won't say it in a public forum.

Take care of yourself.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
6. Similar to their Medicare plan.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:22 AM
Apr 2016

In a sense they want "single-payer," only their version puts us all in the hands of greedy insurance companies.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
11. Just look to the states held and run by republicans
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:00 AM
Apr 2016

They are slipping into oblivion for the people who live there. Is this what we want to happen to this country on a full blown scale? I hope we all start paying attention to the really obvious danger from the right. Privatization for everything from Social Security to Medicare, to the PostOffice. Imagine the fiasco we saw last year from UPS and FedEx around Christmas when they failed to deliver on time, taking over our everyday mail service.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
12. Companies don't have to provide this service
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

and which ones would, knowing how many soldiers suffered concussions and will end up with early Alzheimer's and how many were exposed to various toxic chemicals. Private means for profit after all.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
13. We can't let any of these people win. We can't let them turn this country into a private dystopia
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:09 AM
Apr 2016

with the soul goal of private profit.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
14. First places I think of for expertise in battlefield traumatic injuries are private hospitals!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

Republicons: Destroying everything that works well for profit!

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
20. Health issues associated with military service
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

are in many cases peculiar to military service. The VA and military facilities are better suited to treat these medial and psychological issues. Take PTSD, no one knows how to treat combat related PTSD better than the VA. Their prosthetics are top notch as they treat more patients with missing limbs than anyone else.
Veterans should be given the option of where they want to go for treatment. That's not a lot to ask for those who have sacrificed their minds and bodies serving the military industrial complex that bribes elected officials and encourages war for profit.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
42. The Reality Is The GOP Does Not Want Care For Sick People Even If They Are Combat Vets.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

GOP candidates should be run out of the country because they do not want to take care of vets because of the money. I am a Vietnam vet and the GOP has apposed EVERYTHING that would benefit veterans. And they know they will still get their votes because they wave the flag so well.

1939

(1,683 posts)
46. My son-in-law was a Navy independent duty corpsman
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

When they wanted their people to get experience in traumatic gunshot wounds, they sent him and several others for a month long tour at an inner-city hospital because the active duty sailors only had colds, a few broken bones, and STDs.

malthaussen

(17,202 posts)
18. Mmm, more profits.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

Why shouldn't the military pay for health care like everybody else (except Congress). Especially when they're wounded or incapacitated in the line of duty. They're no good to us then!

(Normally, I wouldn't insult the intelligence of people reading this, but in the current atmosphere here, please be advised: )

-- Mal

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
31. $16.3 billion was allocated so far ~
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

Veteran Healthcare dollars that were to be spent in the private sector.

The trend begins ever so slowly. I'm all for Vets getting any and all they need (my brother is a Vietnam vet and the VA has quite literally been his lifeline)

But passing a bill that funnels money to the private sector - essentially choosing the for profit providers over the VA instead of funding improvements to the VA - well it's a slippery slope I don't think we should begin to go down. Even if it's presented as a stop gap. Make the VA more efficient ! Don't fund an end-run around it!

Oh, by the way, that was Senator Sanders' legislation. Kind of ironic isn't it?

$16.3 billion - essentially saying this government program isn't working (the VA) so here's some money to get services in the private sector.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
34. The VA was a lifeline for my WW2 father. There are a lot of vets that live hundreds of
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

miles from the closest VA hospital, what do you propose to help them?

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
36. Oh, I say help them of course
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

I'm not against ANYTHING that makes life more bearable for veterans.

I'm just pointing out how solving problems often requires nuanced solutions that from just a scan of a headline can appear one way, but dig deeper and you see there are hard choices to be made, a more complex tale to be told.

And for the record, I'm dead set against the republican proposal of replacing the VA with a voucher system.

Peace

-none

(1,884 posts)
27. I can just imagine battle field private health care.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

Refusing to pay for bullet wounds patching because he knew he was in enemy territory and should therefore have kept his head down. Yeah, like that'll work just fine. And there is that co-pay at time of treatment...

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
28. Depending on how much money is involved, Hillary
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016

might do the same thing. I don't trust her.

At the moment, the only freaking reason I'm voting for her in the general is the Supreme Court. P.E.R.I.O.D. Although I'm sure any candidate she supports will be pro big money in elections No doubt about that.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
32. I agree
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

Ms. Compromise is always willing to make a deal for a "win" regardless of the consequences, as long as she can say she was "involved".

Like she was involved in CHIP....

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
38. Even if you socialized it though in the end you still have to spend money
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

to pay the people who manage and work in the healthcare area as well as all of the supplies and medications and most of the money spent on that will flow to varies companies.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
37. Might not be a bad idea.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

Yes I know the automatic response is horror over money being "given" to private companies but that already happens they just call them government contractors.
The other complaint will be about horrible plans but considering the horror stories about the VA itself maybe this is not a horrible idea providing of course they put in safeguards so the plans can't screw the veterans on their care with shitty plans as well as requiring the plans to have no copays at all.......ever.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
47. Six of one.. Half a dozen of the other...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

The VA is broken with non veteran civilian leadership immune to punishment from chronic mismanagement.

In short, ducked either way.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
50. I don't think that is correct. Can you please provide a link?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

Not only am I retired military but I live in a military town with a lot of military friends. I keep up on such things and this is the first I have heard of it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
51. Certainly not in support of GOPer plan, but VA and Tricare do pay non-government providers for a lot
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

of care. My late father-in-law, 25+ years in Air Force and another 25 as a policeman, the 3 years he was literally dying would have absolutely nothing to do with the VA. His protests were quite funny actually. Luckily, he had life-time coverage from his police retirement plan. You get different opinions on the VA and Tricare. I suspect lack of adequate funding has a lot to do with negative opinions.

It seems to me though, that a plan like Medicare -- using physicians and facilities like non-military -- where the veteran didn't have to pay anything would be an option some would like. I doubt many would like vouchers unless they were guaranteed to pay have not cost sharing, which would be hard to guarantee long-term.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
58. They are trying to get them on 401k plans, too
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

What are they going to do when only the most financially desperate people enlist? How are they going to fill the ranks? Maybe they will have to bring back the draft.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
63. The military has had 401(k) plans for years
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

Troops could take them if they didn't stay for the whole 20 to get a retirement pension.

I don't see a problem with that.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
66. No, they aren't
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

The new law doesn't eliminate the pension, though it does reduce it.

It applies to people who haven't even enlisted yet, and it opens up the ability for almost everyone who serves in the military to have at least some retirement savings when they leave, even if they don't stay for 20 years.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
67. This law doesnt
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

but the brass has been debating it since Clinton was in office. They will get their wishes eventually, just like Wall Street will get that Social Security money, unless radical changes happen in this country. Just like the privatization of infrastructure, they take baby steps.

Turbineguy

(37,337 posts)
77. Because when you are a republican
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

there is no better way to thank somebody for their service than to fuck 'em.

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