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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat if Trump isn't crazy? What if he is just a 69yo guy suffering from dementia?
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/maybe_donald_trump_has_really_lost_his_mind_what_if_the_gop_frontrunner_isnt_crazy_but_simply_not_well/The Donald Trump gaffe track keeps playing. The GOP frontrunner seems to literally spew out a doozy almost daily. Campaigning in Pittsburgh, he recently blathered, Hows Joe Paterno? We gonna bring that back? Right? How about thathow about that whole deal?
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Then there was the time that Sean Hannity asked Trump which government agencies Trump would shut down, The Department of Environmental, Trump replied.
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Take the example of Trumps interview with the Washington Post editorial board in March. During that exchange one of the editors asked Trump if he would consider using a tactical nuclear weapon against ISIS.
Check out Trumps reply:
TRUMP: I dont want to use, I dont want to start the process of nuclear. Remember the one thing that everybody has said, Im a counterpuncher. Rubio hit me. Bush hit me. When I said low energy, hes a low-energy individual, he hit me first. I spent, by the way, he spent 18 million dollars worth of negative ads on me. Thats putting [MUFFLED]
RYAN: This is about ISIS. You would not use a tactical nuclear weapon against ISIS?
TRUMP: Ill tell you one thing, this is a very good-looking group of people here. Could I just go around so I know who the hell Im talking to?
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As we scratch our heads and wonder how someone who says and does such things can still be a frontrunner, I want to throw out a concern. What if Trump isnt crazy but is actually not well instead? To put it differently: what if his campaign isnt a sign of a savvy politician channeling Tea Party political rhetoric and reality TV sound bites? What if its an example of someone who doesnt have full command of his faculties?
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The Alzheimers Association tells us that if two of the following core mental functions seem impaired then it is time to seek medical help: Memory, communication and language, ability to focus and pay attention, reasoning and judgment, visual perception.
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The next real warning sign was the doctor letter Trump trotted out to show that he was in fine shape. The Daily Beast jokingly said that the letter was more insane than Trumps campaign.
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Last October, Death and Taxes ran a piece wondering if Trump had dementia. They pointed to the fact that Trumps father, Fred, was diagnosed with Alzheimers six years prior to his death. They also highlighted Trumps aggressive late-night tweets, his childish behavior, his name-calling and mood swings.
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Lee Camps Redacted Tonight reminded viewers that Trump speaks at a fourth grade level. That makes him, according to Camp, scientifically proven to be the dumbest candidate of them all. But Camps joke is only funny if Trump is talking that way to attract voters who respond to his simplistic rhetoric. Its not funny if he really has lost the ability to speak like a healthy adult.
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Hestia
(3,818 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hes so classic that Im archiving video clips of him to use in workshops because theres no better example of his characteristics, said clinical psychologist George Simon, who conducts lectures and seminars on manipulative behavior. Otherwise, I would have had to hire actors and write vignettes. Hes like a dream come true.
Remarkably narcissistic, said developmental psychologist Howard Gardner, a professor at Harvard Graduate School of Education.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/donald-trump-narcissism-therapists
I cannot believe how many people do not realize that the GOP frontrunner for president has a serious, well recognized and diagnosable mental disorder.
Narcissistic traits are a spectrum. They can be so mild as to be an asset, giving people the confidence in themselves to take on the world. However, when they are so chronic and extreme as to seriously adversely affect a person's judgement and function they are classified as a disorder. A disordered personality can be relatively benign or malignant and dangerous. And the disorder can progress and change. I've often wondered what the stresses of the campaign might be doing to The Donald.
Regardless, we know that Trump literally does not see the world like a normal person. His view is bizarrely twisted and extremely limited. He literally is only interested in anything as it reflects how he and others see him. He doesn't see anything wrong in his statements or behaviors -- because they are his and he can do no wrong -- and relies on clues from reactions from others to tailor them IF needed.
When he says he can do anything and do it far better than experts in the field -- he means it. He's not stupid and knows what narcissist disorder is, but he believes it anyway. Many narcissists fantasize not by imagining themselves in action but by visualizing their own face pleasurably. That's whole of the fantasy for many narcissists -- like one's idealized reflection in a mirror viewed with great pleasure.
Trump's disorder requires him to view others with contempt, to constantly fail to evaluate them properly, and compassion and empathy are probably foreign to him, literally impossible for him to feel. Narcissists are extremely manipulative, how dangerously so varying greatly. (These days look up Cluster B traits and the dark triad, as well as narcissistic personality disorder.)
Bottom line, at very least Trump is a dysfunctional weirdo. And, yes, he could be suffering from the onset of dementia on top of everything. Who knows? But the personality disorder is not speculation. It's real.
And to me nothing is more bizarre as America's astonishing failure to recognize that a certifiable nut case is the GOP's frontrunner for president.
UtahJosh
(131 posts)To offer up an excuse like dementia (a legitimate affliction) is to diminish the evil nature of the Trump campaign. He knows exactly what he's saying, and he means every vile word.
When he says stupid shit like "department of environmental", he's simply catering to the low information troglodytes he's counting on for support.
Bush Jr. was *legitimately* dumb, but Trump is far more sinister.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Der Drumpf is a trust fund baby that hasn't had to work or think very hard on or about anything in his entire life. He has a pattern of failing his way to success. And that type of "experience" won't help him if he gets elected. It sure as hell won't help anyone else.
He uses a bunch superlatives, but he never actually says anything.
Trump may be slightly more intelligent than bush43, but just barely. And for the record, I think both are evil in their own special way.
Roy Rolling
(6,925 posts)Trump's behavior is questioned. Alzheimer's cannot be ruled out as a diagnosis.
That is the process. Not guessing the most likely cause for his impaired mental function and declaring case closed.
No, disease cannot be ruled out, whether we like it or not.
MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)A George Walkace
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)proven that.
And this...
"But Camps joke is only funny if Trump is talking that way to attract voters who respond to his simplistic rhetoric. Its not funny if he really has lost the ability to speak like a healthy adult."
His is not the affliction, not even close to the real problem, if it is the voters who respond best to political buffoonery. If they can't demand better, you have a whole population that can't even service their own democracy.
In that case it wouldn't matter who becomes the caretaker.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)"You don't need to have alzheimer's to be a childish bully. Plenty of people have
proven that."
muriel_volestrangler
(101,330 posts)which is fairly typical in casual conversation, when no one is recording us or writing it down. Normally, candidates have thought out their positions, and replies to questions they're likely to be asked, because that's what voters generally like - an organised, thoughtful, consistent person. When they get an unexpected question, they'll have ways of delaying an answer, deflecting and so on.
Trump has a massive ego, and so he just ploughs ahead, saying whatever he thinks at that moment, and hasn't worried about how to present himself as 'measured'. Sometimes that means changing course in mid-sentence, or not explaining himself well. But it's not 'crazy', and it's not a sign of dementia. It's just very unpresidential, for most of us. He has fans who like it, because it makes him 'one of them'.
malaise
(269,094 posts)Just keep him away from political office
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marble falls
(57,134 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)There have been psychological professionals that have diagnosed him and articles written.
Plus, he has been this way for a very long time. There is old footage of the idiotic things he says.
...don't walk people...RUN... RUN, away. He is a person with actual mental health issues that are not treatable. Mental health issues are sad and unfortunate and can be very serious. It is very serious in this case, which goes without saying.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)Mom just passed away September 1, after suffering for a long time, and the last 5 months of her life were really bad for her...(the one blessing being she remembered us and never forgot who we were.) She was 86.
My father was formally diagnosed last July.
Neither of them shared one single solitary trait with the behaviors displayed by Donald Trump.
my sympathy to you
Violet_Crumble
(35,970 posts)I'm so sorry about yr parents. My mum was diagnosed two years ago and it's starting to get bad for her. It's nothing at all lik what trump is. He's a dickhead and a product of American extremes and there's a lot like him on the Right of American politics.
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)expressions of a mocking child. Normal adults don't mock the handicapped. Normal adults don't think they can shoot someone and not affect their future. He acts like a spoiled child, that, if he doesn't get his way he just throws a tantrum. Right or wrong he doesn't care as long as he gets his way. The man is very sick mentally.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)not a victim of dementia