"White privelege" Jim.

It's "white male privelege".
Did you notice Harriet Tubman is female.

I hope we can look beyond gender and race someday and just accept all as
" people".

Webb penned a book extolling the 'virtues' of Scots-Irish heritage in American expansionism, so Jackson undoubtedly was a heroic figure in his estimation.

would have been to, IDK, stop fucking stealing their land

Then they made up lies to cover the theft - mostly racist lies.

a member of the diminish distract crowd with the extra caveat of having some revisionist bullshit saying the resultant "Trail of Tears" genocide being a large part of taking ALL lands from native-americans was not intentional. What was the movement of so many people by racist pigs supposed to create? I have no doubt as to the murders and suffering perpetrated by the white man during this tragedy, both on the ground and in the highest office of the land. No amount of verbal bleach can clean up this dirty chapter of white expansion west. Genocide and slavery. Wow!

which is actually Mark Twain's point, quoted by Webb.

I don't think he intended to "be genocidal," anymore than any one of us today still driving a car and living a first world lifestyle intend to be ecocide or species-cidal. And non-Native Americans are all living on Native Americans' land and not handing that back anytime soon, right?

By the standards of his day, well, there were abolitionists and he wasn't one, so we can call him out for that (although a lot of abolitionists believed in moving African Americans back to Africa and believed they were inferior). There was a nascent women's movement that didn't really flourish until the later 19th century and there were standards about behaving like a gentleman, so if he did beat/rape women and/or cheat on them, we can hold him to account for that.

But expecting him to have a 21st century understanding of justice---I get where Webb is coming from.

I just wish Webb were the Republican nominee. He's a decent Republican, IMO.

That does not include venerating them with a place of honor on our currency.

Washington and Jefferson are bad enough.

I'll be whatever I want, but what I'm trying NOT to be is a self-righteous 21st century comfortable moralizer who benefits from the actions of people in prior centuries and then turns around and condemns them when I'm not willing to sacrifice for it.

Unless you are a Native American, or unless you've paid millions back to their tribes, then you've benefitted from the abuse and murder visited upon them by our ancestors.

And unless you're off-grid (and you're not, since you're posting here), your carbon footprint is contributing to the deaths of millions/billions of unborn humans.

Other-izing bad behavior in others makes us more blind to our own, and THAT's what's in our power to change. In the long run, if we're really committed to the causes about which we're criticizing others for not supporting, we focus on the here and now and what we can change instead of sanctimoniously criticizing people in past generations. That's the greatest service we can give.

underrepresented, and disadvantaged southern white men for a long time now, also wealthy over-taxed whites. The Democratic Party is made up of a wide range of political views, but Webb was more like a typical aging Reaganist. (He's 70, only 4 years younger than Sanders.)

I was relieved when he was rejected by Democrats virtually immediately. Probably describing the enemy he was "most proud of making" as an unfortunate Muslim teenager who met up with him in combat helped speed him along.

I would be totally cool with Pol Pot on the $20.

within a few years from now, given that they were both racists who owned hundreds of slaves. And perhaps that would be appropriate.

for either one:

William Lloyd Garrison, abolitionist and early champion of women's suffrage.

Plenty of white males on currency already.

Washington and Jefferson should be removed from our currency and American history should be revised and taught to reflect the truth about our nations founders.
The bottom line is both men along with the majority of our founders were racists, slave owners profiting from human misery.

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Or simply a more demographically accurate and equitable distribution of historical figures presented on currency, neither favoring nor ignoring one over the other.

However, I'm getting used to seeing extrapolation pretending to be the only possibility. It seems a standard for you.

And perhaps, not in the near term, but perhaps in the next generation, there will be calls to rename Washington D.C. and Washington State. As we are currently scrubbing confederate "heroes" from the public sphere, the next generation may have the courage to remove slaveholders as well. Why should George Washington get a pass when Robert E. Lee does not?

There were plenty of Founding Fathers who didn't own other human beings.

Plainspoken New Englanders who refused to have any truck with slavery.

Two birds, one stone.

Please deposit twenty-five cents to continue.

I don't actually see much disparaging Andrew Jackson at the moment.

The idea is we have to have an honest view of history. Such is a sign of maturity, and accepting that even American heroes are fallible and we must learn from their mistakes.

That is about it really.

even tho Oliver Cromwell is hated among Irish as Hitler is among Jews. Canada also didn't spread from sea to sea so peacefully, nor has any large country. Russia had similar issues against indigenous Siberians as it expanded across two continents.

I personally think the presentism among progressives, with Woodrow Wilson being another example, tho thankfully that failed, makes Democrats a bad image. There is no reason we couldn't add a new denomination with Tubman on it, or move Jackson to a new denomination, or even just have two versions of a $20 bill simultaneously as Europe has with Euro bills. There is a line between self-reflection and self-shame that is very thin but avoidable to cross.

Next you'll be telling me he made the trains run on time.