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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:44 PM Apr 2016

The Al-Qaeda Leader Who Wasn't: The Shameful Ordeal of Abu Zubaydah

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/36512-the-al-qaeda-leader-who-wasnt-the-shameful-ordeal-of-abu-zubaydah

Let’s take a moment to think about the ultimate strangeness of our American world. In recent months, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz have offered a range of hair-raising suggestions: as president, one or the other of them might order the U.S. military and the CIA to commit acts that would include the waterboarding of terror suspects (or “a hell of a lot worse”), the killing of the relatives of terrorists, and the carpet bombing of parts of Syria. All of these would, legally speaking, be war crimes. This has caused shock among many Americans in quite established quarters who have decried the possibility of such a president, suggesting that the two of them are calling for outright illegal acts, actual “war crimes,” and that the U.S. military and others would be justified in rejecting such orders. In this context, for instance, CIA Director John Brennan recently made it clear that no Agency operative under his command would ever waterboard a suspect in response to orders of such a nature from a future president. ("I will not agree to carry out some of these tactics and techniques I've heard bandied about because this institution needs to endure.&quot

These acts, in other words, are considered beyond the pale when Donald Trump suggests them, but here’s the strangeness of it all: what The Donald is only mouthing off about, a perfectly real American president (and vice president and secretary of defense, and so on) actually did. Among other things, under the euphemistic term “enhanced interrogation techniques,” they ordered the CIA to use classic torture practices including waterboarding (which, in blunter times, had been known as “the water torture”). They also let the U.S. military loose to torture and abuse prisoners in their custody. They green-lighted the CIA to kidnap terror suspects (who sometimes turned out to be perfectly innocent people) off the streets of cities around the world, as well as from the backlands of the planet, and transported them to the prisons of some of the worst torture regimes or to secret detention centers (“black sites”) the CIA was allowed to set up in compliant countries. In other words, a perfectly real administration ordered and oversaw perfectly real crimes. (Its top officials even reportedly had torture techniques demonstrated to them in the White House.)
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The Al-Qaeda Leader Who Wasn't: The Shameful Ordeal of Abu Zubaydah (Original Post) eridani Apr 2016 OP
N/T needed... AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #1
It's kind of stunning Hydra Apr 2016 #2

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
2. It's kind of stunning
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

It's like we pretend all of it didn't happen. That people were not tortured and murdered at the orders of the Bush Admin, and that it was not excused and made light of by the Obama Admin.

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