Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kpete

(71,996 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:57 AM Apr 2016

Former Reagan Official Calls For: "Complete and Total Destruction of the Republican Party"

MONDAY, APR 25, 2016 02:59 AM PDT

Republican apostate Bruce sees Donald Trump as the calamitous reckoning the GOP desperately needs



.............


I wanted to talk about 2016 and Trump and the future of the GOP. You are a former Reagan official, you worked for George H.W. Bush, and you voted for Donald Trump in the Virginia primary. And I was hoping if you could just explain why.



Bartlett: I think the Republican Party is sick. It’s dying, it just doesn’t know it. And I think anything that speeds up its demise is to the good, because then it can reinvent itself and return as something healthy. Or you could use an addiction metaphor, where people have to hit bottom so that they can reach out and ask for help before they can cure themselves. I think that Trump is a symptom of a disease of rampant stupidity, pandering to morons and bigots and racists and all the sort of stuff that defines today’s Republican coalition. And I just think it’s awful. It’s terrible for the country in a great many ways that I don’t need to tell you. And I think that we need to have a healthy two-party system. We need to have a sane, functioning conservative party and a sane, functioning liberal party. And I think that half of that equation, at least, is not working, and it affects the other half.

So I think it’s just bad for the country. So I think that giving Trump the nomination is the surest path to complete and total destruction of the Republican Party as we know it.And I look forward to him getting the nomination for that reason. I think he will have a historic loss. I think he may well bring in a Democratic Senate. But more importantly, my hope is, at least, that he will lead to a really serious assessment of the problems of the Republican Party, and lead to some opening of thought, opening of discussion, conversation among groups that have been sidelined for quite a long time. Mainly moderates and people of that sort who have been just pushed to the sidelines in favor of ever more rabid, nonsensical, right-wing authoritarianism.

..................

much more:
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/complete_and_total_destruction_of_the_republican_party_former_reagan_official_bruce_bartlett_on_why_he_backs_trump/
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/26/1520102/-Former-Reagan-Official-Complete-and-Total-Destruction-of-the-Republican-Party

31 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Former Reagan Official Calls For: "Complete and Total Destruction of the Republican Party" (Original Post) kpete Apr 2016 OP
RIP GOP!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #1
Yes. That's exactly what I've been thinking. Hortensis Apr 2016 #23
I hope Bernie wins, because this is what SHOULD happen, but since the party seems silvershadow Apr 2016 #2
Well, Sherman A1 Apr 2016 #3
but he certainly helped set the direction and tone. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #4
Yes, you're right zentrum Apr 2016 #10
agreed NewJeffCT Apr 2016 #12
I think Gingrich might have more to do with it Scootaloo Apr 2016 #14
Him and the Chicago University with Milton Friedman and jwirr Apr 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2016 #5
Indeed. truebrit71 Apr 2016 #18
The establishment of the Democratic Party is already in jwirr Apr 2016 #29
Dead enders C_U_L8R Apr 2016 #6
Now, there's a grave on which I'll dance. Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #7
Serious assessment? Nope. elljay Apr 2016 #8
"Trump is ... a disease of rampant stupidity, pandering to morons and bigots and racists and all the pampango Apr 2016 #9
Thank You Rush, and Fox News scottie55 Apr 2016 #11
+1 narnian60 Apr 2016 #19
true, actually sir ronnie was the destruction of the republican party Jim Beard Apr 2016 #28
"They" built this monster with Rush, Beck, Fox, Louie Gohmert, Palin, Duck Dynasty type shows, Botany Apr 2016 #13
I have a dream... Visionary Apr 2016 #15
"backazzwards morality warriors who believe in using the power of the state to punish those mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #21
Anytime... 3catwoman3 Apr 2016 #16
There's already a party custom-fit to the tastes of Reagan Republicans-- it's the Democratic Party. Marr Apr 2016 #17
Yes, a new left-wing party with a new left-wing forum Hortensis Apr 2016 #24
But, but, but, we're all voting Republican lite, or moderate republican Phlem Apr 2016 #20
My take is that the republicsn party will die and the democrats will split Victor_c3 Apr 2016 #22
What's the big deal? Hugin Apr 2016 #25
"We need to have a sane, functioning conservative party and a sane, functioning liberal party" mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #26
Saint Ronnie and His Cabal SDJay Apr 2016 #30
Bunch of whining little babies.... wildeyed Apr 2016 #31

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Yes. That's exactly what I've been thinking.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

The best way for Republicans to fix their party is to hasten the end of this era by voting Democrat down the ballot. If they can't stomach that, then stay home on voting day. Voting Republican during this determined push to the bottom has only enabled it.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
2. I hope Bernie wins, because this is what SHOULD happen, but since the party seems
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

prepared to turn its' back completely on Union Labor for the death blow, it may not. I can't vote for one of the candidates under any circumstances, and she knows it.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
3. Well,
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

In my opinion, Ronald Reagan was at least in part responsible for where the GOP is today. To be certain he was not entirely responsible, I would not give him that much credit for much of anything, but he certainly helped set the direction and tone.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
4. but he certainly helped set the direction and tone.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

Don't forget the Nixon crew...... who resurface during Reagan and Poppy Bush and Dubya...

Haven't you noticed that the GOP thinks the President is just a PR job?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
10. Yes, you're right
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

It was Reagan where the sickness took root.

Nixon would have been the source, but he undid himself. So it had to wait until the Sainted One.

The Baggers however, formed their particularly toxic version because of racism against Obama. Combine that with Reagan economics and religious zeal over controlling sex and women and you have systemic, unthinking madness.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. agreed
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

Reagan really started the rise of the rapid right wing. If my memory is correct, Nixon knew the religious types were important, but did not like how powerful they were.

Trump represents the worst of Nixon, Reagan and George W. Bush, combined with the anger generated by hate radio and Fox News.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
14. I think Gingrich might have more to do with it
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

Republicanism in the 90's too a turn for the weird, going from a coalition of paleoconservatives, hawks, and business insiders, to a jump-and-holler tent revival full of people who keep campers full of ammo and canned goods buried in their backyards in expectation of Democrats enacting martial law and starting the Tribulation.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. Him and the Chicago University with Milton Friedman and
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

the disaster capitalism economics along with the Chicago Boys who carried it out.

We took the wrong path in 1980 and we have been following it ever since.

Response to kpete (Original post)

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
18. Indeed.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

If the corporatist candidate succeeds then the party coulee legitimately fracture. The DNC had been acting more and more like the RNC than I can ever remember, and there are plenty of people that are pissed off about it.

This could be a very interesting year for both parties...

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. The establishment of the Democratic Party is already in
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:36 PM
Apr 2016

place to become the R parties replacement while the progressives finally get their party back.

This could be very interesting. I cannot imagine Al Franken who has endorsed Hillary as a member of the NEW R party.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
6. Dead enders
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:13 AM
Apr 2016

Conservatives are anti-everything by nature.
They're pessimists. Defeatists. Nihilists.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
8. Serious assessment? Nope.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

They did a serious assessment after the last election and determined that they needed to reach out to minorities. The result is a Cuban-Canadian-American candidate who wants to "build a wall that works." https://www.tedcruz.org/cruz-immigration-plan/

Anyone who expects introspection from the Republicans has forgotten to take their meds this morning. The consequence of a Trump rout will be the conclusion that he lost because he was not a true conservative and they will push someone as far to the right as they can. Bank on it. The Republican Party is not like an addict who hits bottom then seeks help; it is like the addict who hits bottom then takes one more hit and fatally overdoses.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. "Trump is ... a disease of rampant stupidity, pandering to morons and bigots and racists and all the
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

sort of stuff that defines today’s Republican coalition. And I just think it’s awful. It’s terrible for the country in a great many ways that I don’t need to tell you. And I think that we need to have a healthy two-party system. We need to have a sane, functioning conservative party and a sane, functioning liberal party. And I think that half of that equation, at least, is not working, and it affects the other half."

This guy voted for Trump in the Virginia primary apparently to hasten the demise of his own party? Who needs Democrats messing with republican candidates in open primary states when republican voters are voting for their own party's destruction?

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
11. Thank You Rush, and Fox News
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

For turning conservatives into babbling, drooling, ignorant, useless tools bent on the destruction of our democracy.

We owe you.....

Botany

(70,516 posts)
13. "They" built this monster with Rush, Beck, Fox, Louie Gohmert, Palin, Duck Dynasty type shows,
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

the 700 club, gerrymandering districts, Rove, and the save the babies right to life idiots who all served
the GOP well until all that hate and stupid morphed into "the Trump Monster." Nobody stood up to Trump
and called him out as a liar with his sending "good people to Hawaii" to see if the President was really
born there and now the monster has life.


As a little kid our next door neighbor's brother was Governor of PA, Ray Shafer and he was a good
guy who was quite liberal in his views and he was a Republican too and he would have no home in the
GOP today.

 

Visionary

(54 posts)
15. I have a dream...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

Of a world without social conservatives. Seriously though, social conservatives are just a bunch of backazzwards morality warriors who believe in using the power of the state to punish those who don't comply with their version of social norms. I live in Utah and it feels like living in a damn theocracy sometimes. It's all the more painful considering there's a wonderful progressive state in CO right next to us.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
21. "backazzwards morality warriors who believe in using the power of the state to punish those
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

who don't comply with their version of social norms"


Well said. That is precisely what has happened with HB 2 here in NC and all the legislation being proposed around the country
to to discriminate against LGBT people. The morality warriors--mostly rabid evangelical "Christians"--were so pissed at
the Supreme Court for allowing marriage equality that they've now created a way to discriminate against LGBT AND anybody
who has supported the efforts for equality.

They are a hateful bunch of ignorant bigots. Just hateful. The world would be a better place without them, IMO.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
17. There's already a party custom-fit to the tastes of Reagan Republicans-- it's the Democratic Party.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe what we need is an extinct Republican Party and a new left wing party. I mean, Obama has openly described his policy positions as those of a Reagan-era moderate Republican, so it seems like these sorts shouldn't have to look far to find an ideological home.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Yes, a new left-wing party with a new left-wing forum
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

for anti-Democrats to develop their ideology into something more worthy. Go for it! Forums are available for free. Go make one, Marr.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
20. But, but, but, we're all voting Republican lite, or moderate republican
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

for Potus.

That does not compute for Hillary supporters.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
22. My take is that the republicsn party will die and the democrats will split
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:54 PM
Apr 2016

We already are starting to see it now. You have the liberal democrats and the conservative democrats. The divide is very sharp even here on DU.

Social conservatism is dying. Demographics and everything else is changing. look no further than the change in acceptance of homosexuality in our society over the last 20 years.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
26. "We need to have a sane, functioning conservative party and a sane, functioning liberal party"
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

We don't have a liberal party.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
30. Saint Ronnie and His Cabal
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

played a big part in all of this, so fuck them. They're getting exactly what they deserve.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
31. Bunch of whining little babies....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

They have been dog whistling and enabling their racist, homophobic cohort for DECADES. And then they gerrymandered the districts to the point that no Dem had a hope of winning in any of them. But the racist base figured out that they didn't need the GOP anymore, they could elect anyone they damned well please and there was NOTHING the party could do about it

They built this monster. They did it by disenfranchising voters through redistricting and voter disenfranchisement. They whipped up the base with Fox News, dog whistles and endless made-up OUTRAGE year after year after year. And now they are SO SAD about the unintended consequences of what they built? Fuck 'em. They get what they deserve.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Former Reagan Official Ca...