By HADAS GOLD 12/12/13 12:02 PM EST

On Wednesday night Megyn Kelly declared on her Fox News show that both Santa Claus and Jesus were white. Discussing a piece in Slate by Aisha Harris about a black versus white Santa, Kelly that "just because it makes you feel uncomfortable it doesn't mean it has to change."

"You know, I've given her her due. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change," Kelly said. "Jesus was a white man, too. It's like we have, he's a historical figure that's a verifiable fact, as is Santa, I just want kids to know that. How do you revise it in the middle of the legacy in the story and change Santa from white to black?"


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are the white men, the wise men came from the east, and there is no bones made of it that the Jews were a minority. She is very stupid. There is nothing in the Bible that points to the color of Jesus. None.

painting of Christ that come from European artists. Those paintings as you know are even set in Romanized backgrounds. And most of us were raised to believe those pictures were something other than the artists version.

are very romanized, as you describe. Often Christ is depicted as very white, I think to somehow make him look look more holy. So there is a meme out there that minimizes Christ's Jewishness.

we were in college and a young missionary asked us about this because she wanted pictures that showed him as Jewish. We found a modern artist who painted pictures of him with black hair and brown eyes. I am not sure of his name but I think it was something like Hook.

She wanted the children on the reservation to be able to think of him as much more like them than like the European Jesus.

Want to take this opportunity to tell you how much I enjoy your lesson in art. I am totally without talent in this area but I love art appreciation. Thank you.

You might want to look up an early Italian Renaissance artist name Piero della Francesca to see how very white Christ was presented...


for a interesting depiction of the Virgin Mary, see Crivelli's Annunciation with St. Egedius. /She looks like her skin is made of ultra white plaster...

it is for the black child. It tends to erase the actual meaning of what the Church is supposed to be teaching.

you really want to cry...

Didn't quite see the connection with the post. But that is religion for you, it is all in the parables.


P.S. Some images you run across in history studies...

Dionysus with wine and bread (500 BCE)

Dionysus as baby with halo

Mithras sacrafice on Easter

If you have evidence to back up your claims, post it.

I completely forgot that was your user name. Sorry I should not have posted with out your permission...but I figured it was just Easter so you would be more cool having just shed your earthly body of sin to become one with the Universe and return refreshed.

P.s. Any clue what the other poster is saying to me?

the fact that they are not very hollow...

I was looking for actual legit source. I figured some one else was responding to the Dionysus claim, so I was reading long articles finding nothing. So I bring forth pictures of physical vases and murals made 500 BCE...drop actual sources, and mention that it is common knowledge in history classes and they come at me with Carson. It is a sad day. My mind could not even accept that this would have been the response.

But now that you mention it have you watched this?

A group the runs a good spread across the color spectrum, from dark and swarthy, to whiter than me and blue eyed.

Who really knows what he looked like? Who really cares?

black. That is a special level of stupid all on its own.

Granted he leaves gifts...allegedly. Besides what an evil thing to tell children, that Santa can ONLY be a white man.

There is not one shred of historical evidence that he existed. Nothing Jewish, nothing Roman. No written records, no eyewitness reports, no contemporaneous writings. All you have are some books which contain provable historical errors and which were written years later by people who never met him (Paul allegedly met him after he died and was resurrected), may never have set foot in Judea itself, and who certainly didn't witness any of the events described. The fact that Christian historians believe that he existed is as relevant as Muslim historians believing Mojammed really did travel to Jerusalem one night on a flying horse, or a Hindu historian believing that there really was a man-God with an elephant's head.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/

I struggle to believe that the figure of Jesus was created out of whole cloth in a sort of conspiracy, given the short time between his death and the time he was written about. Tacitus wrote about him most unkindly for an imaginary person, and it makes it highly likely to have been a forgery by Jesus's supporters. SECULAR historians are in near consensus that he did, in fact exist. I tend do defer to the experts on such matters. You are conflating supernatural belief with the study of muhamed and Jesus as historical figures, which is not the manner in which religious (the field, not the trait) scholars pursue their study.

I could have sworn that he is in the Koran and mentioned in Hindu texts as well. I could be wrong, I'm not sure when or where I heard this

True. (they don't need him)

But Siddhartha makes it into Christianity and Islam.... Barlaam and Josaphat




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaam_and_Josaphat

No one disputes the idea that there was a Saint Nikolaus. There's plenty to back up the idea of that individual's existence. But the stories we tell about him are... let's just say dubious.

He was allegedly a Jew, born of Jewish parents in the Roman province of Judea. After the several Roman-Jewish Wars, the pissed-off Roman conquerers renamed the province Syria Palestina, after two of the traditional enemies of the Jews- the Syrian Greeks and the Philistines (who had disappeared long before and who were also Greek.)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_(Roman_province)

We aren't talking about different places. The area at large is often referred to as Palestine. I think you got my meaning.

and widely used by people to deny my people's heritage. Not accusing you personally, just explaining that this is a frequent part of the antisemitism that is becoming more frequently on the left so is a sensitive matter.

...back in Jesus' time, that spread was a lot narrower. Granted, Rome was a melting pot and there were blond/blue eyed types in Rome, but they weren't super common. And, granted, Romans soldiers (including those who were blond-haired and blue-eyed, as any man from anywhere in the Empire could be absorbed into the military) did rape women, and the Hebrews decided that any child of such rape would be Hebrew (mom's Jewish, kid's Jewish).

STILL it's not real likely, given the tribalism of the Hebrews in that area at that time. Nice Jewish boys (typically of North African/Mediterranean hair/skin/eye coloring) were expected to marry nice Jewish girls (ditto in skin/hair/eye coloring) in arranged marriages, not take up with strangers from abroad--who didn't speak the language, weren't part of the tribe, weren't part of the religion, and had no reason to visit that part of the Empire unless they were sent there by Rome. It wasn't until 70 CE, the beginning of the Jewish diaspora, that Jews began to spread out and intermarry to the point where there are now many a blue-eyed, blond-haired person of Jewish heritage--also of any features belonging to any other race.

And no, it doesn't matter what race Jesus was (no one seems to care what Moses looked like)...except that it does. First, in regards to history, it's wrong to mess around with the facts just to have it as you want it (which is what Magan is doing. She is stating it as a historical fact that Jesus was blond/blue-eyed, and there is no such historical fact). Second, Jesus isn't just the maybe-historical leader of radical Jewish group. He is THE "Lord and Savior" of a major religion. And in religion, if one's deity, or his representative on Earth looks like a particular race, then the implication is that that race is favored over others. So, as a metaphor, as iconography, as symbolism, it all matters.

Whether he was white, black, brown, etc makes no difference if people today continue to use his name to discriminate.

either way he's probably not real. Even Kelley believes it to some degree comparing him to Santa Clause

Being a white man in the Mideast.

WhoTF cares what Megyn Kelley thinks or says? I'm white, and I can't relate to her. Jesus and Santa Clause is whatever color you want him to be. I never knew him personally ( I'm old as Methuselah, but I'm not that old yet). My understanding is Jesus was a real man who walked upon the earth, who had some very good ideas about morality, that his skin was not white but WAS indeed dark.

My heart aches for this young black lady. She's 100 times more beautiful than milktoast Megyn Kelley, and 100 times more intelligent. I wish she wouldn't take her taunts so seriously. Megyn Kelley is a bully. Anyone who taunts you and hurts your feelings is a bully. Period. No matter the color of your skin or the nationality of your family. Listen, when people bully you, walk away from them and know YOU don't have a problem. They are the one with a serious problem. One that has the possibility of getting them killed, because I guarantee you, he/she bully is eventually going to meet up with someone down the line whose going to turn around and shut them up.

I mean, I guess very strictly that's "white" by census definitions...

Ironically, the German version is named "Black Peter".

...in Europe, but he did originate in Turkey, where people on average are darker than Europe. St Nick also had a number of familiars -- elves, reindeer from Finland, that kind of thing.

Lke Jesus, he travelled, and his color changed like a chameleon. But neither of them started out as blue-eyed blonds, that much is certain.

So the people Santa and Jesus were modeled after must have looked like modern day Greeks or fair skinned Syrians.

What evidence that you have of that?

While the people of the Saudi Arabia hinterland or Yemen are darker skinned.

many of the Saudis I have met are racially mixed with Africans.

Many Syrians would not have qualified as fair-skinned.

Those you met are commendable exceptions, because Saudi Arabia is a country where racism is prevalent (source: Washington Post)

We created them both, and we created them white. By "we," I mean white America, of course, the majority culture. Fortunately, we have evolved a little since we invented Jesus and Santa, despite what Megyn Kelly thinks. If Kelly needs a white Jesus and a white Santa, she can have both. Her problem is that she wants to deny others what they need by laying exclusive claim to shared cultural territory. Not cool.

The argument is idiotic. Both sides are delusional.

debating the color of fictional characters?

I think Jesus, etc are fictitious, but if he was real he sure as fuck wasn't a white man.

I know that for a fact because his picture hung over my bed in my parent's house. So there - that settles it. And all those movies showed him as a white guy thus confirming my belief.

you know, Capt. Pike...was Jesus in the bible movie???

It's supposed to be based on a true story?

I think he works for Gallo Bros. now.

I think the whole debate comes down to the many depictions of Jesus and which depiction is the right one. People in Europe for example, especially in Italy, would portray Jesus as a beautiful man with sun-kissed tanned skin and flowing locks. On the flip side, there are Christians in Africa who would depict him as dark-skinned with short wooly hair. I am sure there are Christians in the ME and Caucasus region that would imagine him having medium olive skin with a masculine Arab appearance. And of course there are Christians in some American regions that think Jesus was pale and more of a hippy looking priest.

There's nothing wrong with any of these various depictions, I just think to make claims that Jesus was white as snow or black as coal as if it were fact is just asinine and a waste of time and energy. People from different parts of the world will portray him closest to their ethnicity regardless of what the Bible says.

...when you are debating the shade of Santa Claus's skin color.

so, of course she's right. Our own Democratic candidate said so.

wasn't it around Christmas when this happened? That doesn't change the fact that Jesus, assuming he existed, would have looked like a Palestinian. He'd have been dark skinned. That fact a 'news' anchor doesn't know that is what's stunning.......

or well versed in history or religion...before determining whether "Jesus" was black, white, or brown, find proof that this person actually existed...