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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAfter watching Trump's attempt at a foreign policy address, it's obviously clear to me that.....
......the scripted, restrained "other" Donald Trump is just as incompetent, dangerous, nonsensical and scary as the unscripted Donald Trump who goes up in front of his rallies and talks narcissistic blabbering for an hour.
No, Dr. Carson, there are no "two Donald Trumps."
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)land of Idiocracy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And you know that history, so no need to repeat it the echoes are loud though
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)One is a moron and the other is a bigot.
very good ...
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)though it's too true to be funny...
tanyev
(42,558 posts)Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)And I agree with that
it was crafted to be at his level, which coincidentally is the level of the morons who are virulently supporting him.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)A couple of foreign affairs experts on O'Donnell last night (and Madeleine Allbright's comments elsewhere agreed) considered the the address incoherent, very contradictory, and profoundly ignorant. It was so bad that one of them was confident Trump wouldn't even be able to find the countries he named on a map, that he did not understand the material in his own speech, and that he was definitely in "waay over his head."
What on earth are heads of state and military leaders around the planet thinking? For sure this idiot speech is being analyzed in detail. Could we somehow use him to scare the pants off Bashar al-Assad and a few others? I feel there must be opportunity to grab here somehow...
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)but, a friend of mine at the gym, his daughter is doing a semester in Spain.
He said she called him completely burnt out because EVERYONE she met was up her arse about Trump.
My wife and I got married in 2001, and when we went on our honeymoon in Jamaica every couple we ate with from other countries were like, "WTF is wrong with you people?"
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the others, though. Insecurity has a way of getting people upset, and we're threatening to capsize the planet.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... what word was it that he mispronounced? I think it was the name of a country. Tanzania maybe?
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)But I don't think it's as big of a deal as everyone else. The stories today are about the speech in general.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Tanzania Loses Name To Tanning-Salon Chain
NEWS
September 3, 2003
Vol 39 Issue 34 The Beach
TALLAHASSEE, FLThe country formerly known as the United Republic of Tanzania has lost the use of its name to Tampa-based Tanzania Tanning Salons, the Florida Supreme Court ruled Monday.
"Any use of my country's name constitutes infringement on the plaintiff's trademark," said Benjamin Mkapa, president of the currently unnamed republic. "We've lost our national identity. This is a very sad day for the people once known as Tanzanians."
The United Republic of Tanzania, formed in 1964 from the union of African nations Tanganyika and Zanzibar, predates the tanning-salon chain, which opened its first store in Tampa in 1982. Nevertheless, after fewer than two weeks in court, the State of Florida granted legal rights to the name to Tanzania Salons founder and CEO Jerry Yeltzer.
"It was easy to establish that my client's company had a greater vested interest in the Tanzania brand name," said Yeltzer's lawyer, Ben Knowles. "Tanzania, the salon chain, is a rapidly growing business, adding nearly 50 locations each year. Tanzania, the African nation, is lanquishing under a debt of $7 billion."
Tanzania Salons is also close to completing a lucrative deal that would put its moisturizing and replenishing cream on the shelves of retail stores across the nation, making the situation even more pressing, Knowles added.
Yeltzer said he didn't realize that the African country existed until July 2001, when a routine Internet search brought the nation to his attention. Yeltzer said he created the name for Tanzania Salons by merging the words "tan" and "zany" to suggest a lighthearted, fun approach to indoor-tanning retail.
"When you come to a Tanzania location, you know you're in for an out-of-the-ordinary tanning experience," Yeltzer said. "Our salons are famous for their casual but professional atmosphere. Last year, four million customers visited Tanzania Salons. Can the country of Tanzania make that claim?"
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)but that may be giving him too much credit.
FSogol
(45,485 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)be our next president.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)So let's just all stay home on election day rather than vote for the "lesser of two evils" and give the greater of two evils control of our foreign policy, our military and our nuclear arsenal.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)(assuming she's the nominee), as they see how bad Trump is.
Right now, we are still getting over the primary blues.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)The people threatening to withhold their vote rather than support Clinton seem to have her flaws (of which there are quite a few) well catalogued, so it's hard to see how they don't also know all they should need to know about Trump by now.
Bottom line, it has gotten too personal for too many people.
and Hillary is still being very arrogant about talking to Bernie supporters and demanding their vote, rather than asking for it. There is a very valid argument that many have accepted that there comes a certain time when you have to stop enabling the addict (the conservative establishment Democratic Party), and let him/her finally hit bottom so there can finally be change. More and more progressive Dems are reaching that point as years go on. The counter argument is ALWAYS that the Republicans are worse, so please vote for the lesser of two evils. Hillary needs to show that she will continue her "evolution" if she wants the full support of the progressive Dems and Indys.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)will be too embarrassed to say you voted for either horrid Hillary or dysfunctional Donald. May be time to stop painting your way into that corner.
Look, I understand you guys have your points and do want some reassurance directed at you beyond what you can find in her various statements and speeches.
But another point of view is that, after months, and for many of you probably decades, of villifying her, hoping she'll end up in prison, and serving the GOP by spreading vicious right-wing propaganda lies about her, if you are fortunate enough to have her for the next president, you will get far more than you deserve. As your president, whether you vote for her or Trump, she will owe you plenty. Right now, she owes you no more than she owes your counterparts, the tea-partiers.
elljay
(1,178 posts)and don't insult me by insinuating that I changed my mind due to Republican vilification. I changed my mind due to observation. I remember Hillary opposing my equal rights as a gay person. I remember her support for NAFTa and other trade agreements. I remember her supporting the Iraq war. I remember her voting for the Bankruptcy Bill. I remember her lying about Bosnia. I remember her constant "evolutions" and denials about them. I don't deserve her. I deserve a better President who is a true progressive. I deserve someone who stands for something for more time than it takes to sense a change in public opinion. I deserve someone who is not more hawkish on foreign policy that many Republicans. I will have to settle for her and she will be better than Trump in the way a dripping faucet is better than a flood. She does NOT represent my progressive values and hat is because she is a moderate on most issues and a conservative on others and, while you might be (which is your right), I am not and never will be.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm wondering if she perhaps reminded you of your mommy way back then? (That's just a joke.)
I'm afraid I still disagree about just what you and your co-calumners "deserve" from her. That she does not share your ideology and therefore does not meet your standards of what you want in a president in no way excuses villainizing her and believing and spreading untruths untruths about her, or giving aid and comfort to others who do. Did you ever ask yourself if you would meet her standard of what a citizen should be?
In any case, none of you have any right to president who'll give you what you say you want at the cost of shifting positions and betraying the promises she's been making all along to her supporters. She has above all promised us to be a competent, effective president, not a failed president, which most of us believe she would be if she tried to carry out Bernie's promises to you.
You know, you can just continue to run with her enemies right up until she is elected -- if she is in spite of all the people behaving like you on both the right and left. At that point, though, in spite of everything, she would owe it to all of you to be the best president she can. That is by her definition as signed off on by those who supported for her, though, not the definition of someone who grudgingly chose a dripping faucet over a flood.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)And it is not about how your vote makes you feel personally. It's about what's best for the country as a whole.
If Trump is elected, Obamacare will be repealed on Jan 21, 2017. You ok with that?
elljay
(1,178 posts)and everything to do with conservative, and corporate-owned. I don't expect to like a politician - it is a profession that by definition attracts self-involved phonies. I care about issues and results. I have been backed into the position of having to choose between an idiot and a conservative Democrat who has a long track record of policies that have failed this country and whose positions I cannot trust because they change all the time. I plan on holding my nose and voting conservative once again, because of the 3 Supreme Court justices. The ACA will likely fall eventually on its own because it is not a fix to the problem but a conservative Republican sop to the insurance industry, who will kill it as soon as they decide the profits are not sufficient. I am concerned about the TPP and I will guarantee that Hillary's objections to the current wording of the TPP will be magically resolved and she will push for it. I understand those who, in good conscience, have decided that nothing will change if we are continually offered conservative corporatist candidates and told we must vote for them because the other guy is much worse. Hillary is bad and Trump is terrible, so the slide downward continues either way.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)He's the least scary candidate to run in my lifetime, as far as chances at the White House
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)what could possibly go wrong?
sigh
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)FSogol
(45,485 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)for governing.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)all that's missing is a threat from Trump to call them a loser on Twitter.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)It seems that Trump's speech has been cut and pasted together from several sources.
Just one example:
Just seconds later, in someone elses section of the speech, he said:
To our friends and allies, I say America is... going to be a great and reliable ally again. Its going to be a friend again.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to the best of Ronald Reagan. Not kidding.
And, he's been generally against Trump. (he was big on Jeb for a long time)
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)he keeps getting papers to let him do op eds on how stupid everyone has been for not listening to him say Trump was a serious candidate.
Yesterday was all fellatiating Trump/slamming Hillary.
Hes so simple minded while he is functionally disingenuous it is sot obvious it turns the word on its head.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,425 posts)to vote Democratic
rurallib
(62,415 posts)if he had any idea what he said.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The advisor sounded like a moron!
Gawd!
elljay
(1,178 posts)Someone who can talk in simple 4 word sentences wins over a Rhodes Scholar with 500 peer-reviewed papers and a Nobel Prize. Every time.