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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:10 AM Apr 2016

After watching Trump's attempt at a foreign policy address, it's obviously clear to me that.....

......the scripted, restrained "other" Donald Trump is just as incompetent, dangerous, nonsensical and scary as the unscripted Donald Trump who goes up in front of his rallies and talks narcissistic blabbering for an hour.

No, Dr. Carson, there are no "two Donald Trumps."

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After watching Trump's attempt at a foreign policy address, it's obviously clear to me that..... (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 OP
I watched it, it was written at about a 3rd grade level, guess he was reaching out to the RKP5637 Apr 2016 #1
There is a pod reason for that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #29
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #40
Well,there are two Donald Trumps. sufrommich Apr 2016 #2
lol Cosmocat Apr 2016 #5
Heheh GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #10
rimshot! Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #17
Perhaps Donald sounds more presidential when heard through a drowsy haze. tanyev Apr 2016 #3
Dean said that Trump probably didn't understand the speech he read Renew Deal Apr 2016 #4
YEP Cosmocat Apr 2016 #6
Written reportedly by staff, then edited by him..! Hortensis Apr 2016 #30
Not a world leader Cosmocat Apr 2016 #33
Oh, your poor daughter. I can't really blame Hortensis Apr 2016 #35
Seriously... ReRe Apr 2016 #7
Tanzania and San Bernadino Renew Deal Apr 2016 #8
Well, Tanzania is a controversial spot, especially for Trump. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #9
Funny Renew Deal Apr 2016 #11
Bitingly. Ouch. Hortensis Apr 2016 #36
It sounded like a not too bright 7th grader's Social Studies oral report to me. mulsh Apr 2016 #12
D-, very weak effort. See me after class, Donald. FSogol Apr 2016 #19
"The Donald," please. After all he may Hortensis Apr 2016 #37
Doesn't this make Trump a dreaded FLIP-FLOPPER? maddiemom Apr 2016 #13
But hey, no difference between him and Hillary, right? skepticscott Apr 2016 #14
I think as the campaign goes on, more and more people will migrate to Hillary Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #16
Only if they are shamed into it skepticscott Apr 2016 #21
Yep elljay Apr 2016 #27
Poor Elljay. I see the day coming when you Hortensis Apr 2016 #38
I used to like her elljay Apr 2016 #39
Gad! At what point did you "like" her, may I ask? Hortensis Apr 2016 #41
This is not about whether a candidate makes you feel warm and fuzzy skepticscott Apr 2016 #42
This has nothing to do with warm and fuzzy elljay Apr 2016 #43
Trump will become the new McGovern. joshcryer Apr 2016 #31
he's a dangerous man.... full of resentment and delusion Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #15
Josh Marshall had a good write up on it Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #18
Ruben Bolling showed exactly what Trumpy's foreign policy would look like: FSogol Apr 2016 #20
Great cartoon. I guess acting and pandering make for good campaigning, not so good pampango Apr 2016 #23
That's great NewJeffCT Apr 2016 #25
HuffPo Soltz: Speech full of blatant internal contradictions Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #22
Morning Joe was comparing Trump's speech NewJeffCT Apr 2016 #24
He is getting squarely in line Cosmocat Apr 2016 #34
to quote BHO - 'please proceed' - the more asshat T-Rump talks the more independents are going NoMoreRepugs Apr 2016 #26
Trump would fire his speech writer rurallib Apr 2016 #28
One of his "advisors" (a professor) was on NPR this morning, and that guy sounded dumb as dirt, too! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #32
Which means the base will love him elljay Apr 2016 #44

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
1. I watched it, it was written at about a 3rd grade level, guess he was reaching out to the
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:13 AM
Apr 2016

land of Idiocracy.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. There is a pod reason for that
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

And you know that history, so no need to repeat it the echoes are loud though

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
6. YEP
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

it was crafted to be at his level, which coincidentally is the level of the morons who are virulently supporting him.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Written reportedly by staff, then edited by him..!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

A couple of foreign affairs experts on O'Donnell last night (and Madeleine Allbright's comments elsewhere agreed) considered the the address incoherent, very contradictory, and profoundly ignorant. It was so bad that one of them was confident Trump wouldn't even be able to find the countries he named on a map, that he did not understand the material in his own speech, and that he was definitely in "waay over his head."

What on earth are heads of state and military leaders around the planet thinking? For sure this idiot speech is being analyzed in detail. Could we somehow use him to scare the pants off Bashar al-Assad and a few others? I feel there must be opportunity to grab here somehow...

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
33. Not a world leader
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

but, a friend of mine at the gym, his daughter is doing a semester in Spain.

He said she called him completely burnt out because EVERYONE she met was up her arse about Trump.

My wife and I got married in 2001, and when we went on our honeymoon in Jamaica every couple we ate with from other countries were like, "WTF is wrong with you people?"

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Oh, your poor daughter. I can't really blame
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

the others, though. Insecurity has a way of getting people upset, and we're threatening to capsize the planet.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
7. Seriously...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

... what word was it that he mispronounced? I think it was the name of a country. Tanzania maybe?

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
8. Tanzania and San Bernadino
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

But I don't think it's as big of a deal as everyone else. The stories today are about the speech in general.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
9. Well, Tanzania is a controversial spot, especially for Trump.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.theonion.com/article/tanzania-loses-name-to-tanning-salon-chain-701


Tanzania Loses Name To Tanning-Salon Chain
NEWS
September 3, 2003
Vol 39 Issue 34 The Beach

TALLAHASSEE, FL—The country formerly known as the United Republic of Tanzania has lost the use of its name to Tampa-based Tanzania Tanning Salons, the Florida Supreme Court ruled Monday.

"Any use of my country's name constitutes infringement on the plaintiff's trademark," said Benjamin Mkapa, president of the currently unnamed republic. "We've lost our national identity. This is a very sad day for the people once known as Tanzanians."

The United Republic of Tanzania, formed in 1964 from the union of African nations Tanganyika and Zanzibar, predates the tanning-salon chain, which opened its first store in Tampa in 1982. Nevertheless, after fewer than two weeks in court, the State of Florida granted legal rights to the name to Tanzania Salons founder and CEO Jerry Yeltzer.

"It was easy to establish that my client's company had a greater vested interest in the Tanzania brand name," said Yeltzer's lawyer, Ben Knowles. "Tanzania, the salon chain, is a rapidly growing business, adding nearly 50 locations each year. Tanzania, the African nation, is lanquishing under a debt of $7 billion."

Tanzania Salons is also close to completing a lucrative deal that would put its moisturizing and replenishing cream on the shelves of retail stores across the nation, making the situation even more pressing, Knowles added.

Yeltzer said he didn't realize that the African country existed until July 2001, when a routine Internet search brought the nation to his attention. Yeltzer said he created the name for Tanzania Salons by merging the words "tan" and "zany" to suggest a lighthearted, fun approach to indoor-tanning retail.

"When you come to a Tanzania location, you know you're in for an out-of-the-ordinary tanning experience," Yeltzer said. "Our salons are famous for their casual but professional atmosphere. Last year, four million customers visited Tanzania Salons. Can the country of Tanzania make that claim?"

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
12. It sounded like a not too bright 7th grader's Social Studies oral report to me.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

but that may be giving him too much credit.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
14. But hey, no difference between him and Hillary, right?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:48 AM
Apr 2016

So let's just all stay home on election day rather than vote for the "lesser of two evils" and give the greater of two evils control of our foreign policy, our military and our nuclear arsenal.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
16. I think as the campaign goes on, more and more people will migrate to Hillary
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

(assuming she's the nominee), as they see how bad Trump is.

Right now, we are still getting over the primary blues.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
21. Only if they are shamed into it
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

The people threatening to withhold their vote rather than support Clinton seem to have her flaws (of which there are quite a few) well catalogued, so it's hard to see how they don't also know all they should need to know about Trump by now.

Bottom line, it has gotten too personal for too many people.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
27. Yep
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

and Hillary is still being very arrogant about talking to Bernie supporters and demanding their vote, rather than asking for it. There is a very valid argument that many have accepted that there comes a certain time when you have to stop enabling the addict (the conservative establishment Democratic Party), and let him/her finally hit bottom so there can finally be change. More and more progressive Dems are reaching that point as years go on. The counter argument is ALWAYS that the Republicans are worse, so please vote for the lesser of two evils. Hillary needs to show that she will continue her "evolution" if she wants the full support of the progressive Dems and Indys.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Poor Elljay. I see the day coming when you
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

will be too embarrassed to say you voted for either horrid Hillary or dysfunctional Donald. May be time to stop painting your way into that corner.

Look, I understand you guys have your points and do want some reassurance directed at you beyond what you can find in her various statements and speeches.

But another point of view is that, after months, and for many of you probably decades, of villifying her, hoping she'll end up in prison, and serving the GOP by spreading vicious right-wing propaganda lies about her, if you are fortunate enough to have her for the next president, you will get far more than you deserve. As your president, whether you vote for her or Trump, she will owe you plenty. Right now, she owes you no more than she owes your counterparts, the tea-partiers.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
39. I used to like her
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

and don't insult me by insinuating that I changed my mind due to Republican vilification. I changed my mind due to observation. I remember Hillary opposing my equal rights as a gay person. I remember her support for NAFTa and other trade agreements. I remember her supporting the Iraq war. I remember her voting for the Bankruptcy Bill. I remember her lying about Bosnia. I remember her constant "evolutions" and denials about them. I don't deserve her. I deserve a better President who is a true progressive. I deserve someone who stands for something for more time than it takes to sense a change in public opinion. I deserve someone who is not more hawkish on foreign policy that many Republicans. I will have to settle for her and she will be better than Trump in the way a dripping faucet is better than a flood. She does NOT represent my progressive values and hat is because she is a moderate on most issues and a conservative on others and, while you might be (which is your right), I am not and never will be.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Gad! At what point did you "like" her, may I ask?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:21 PM
Apr 2016

I'm wondering if she perhaps reminded you of your mommy way back then? (That's just a joke.)

I'm afraid I still disagree about just what you and your co-calumners "deserve" from her. That she does not share your ideology and therefore does not meet your standards of what you want in a president in no way excuses villainizing her and believing and spreading untruths untruths about her, or giving aid and comfort to others who do. Did you ever ask yourself if you would meet her standard of what a citizen should be?

In any case, none of you have any right to president who'll give you what you say you want at the cost of shifting positions and betraying the promises she's been making all along to her supporters. She has above all promised us to be a competent, effective president, not a failed president, which most of us believe she would be if she tried to carry out Bernie's promises to you.

You know, you can just continue to run with her enemies right up until she is elected -- if she is in spite of all the people behaving like you on both the right and left. At that point, though, in spite of everything, she would owe it to all of you to be the best president she can. That is by her definition as signed off on by those who supported for her, though, not the definition of someone who grudgingly chose a dripping faucet over a flood.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
42. This is not about whether a candidate makes you feel warm and fuzzy
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

And it is not about how your vote makes you feel personally. It's about what's best for the country as a whole.

If Trump is elected, Obamacare will be repealed on Jan 21, 2017. You ok with that?

elljay

(1,178 posts)
43. This has nothing to do with warm and fuzzy
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

and everything to do with conservative, and corporate-owned. I don't expect to like a politician - it is a profession that by definition attracts self-involved phonies. I care about issues and results. I have been backed into the position of having to choose between an idiot and a conservative Democrat who has a long track record of policies that have failed this country and whose positions I cannot trust because they change all the time. I plan on holding my nose and voting conservative once again, because of the 3 Supreme Court justices. The ACA will likely fall eventually on its own because it is not a fix to the problem but a conservative Republican sop to the insurance industry, who will kill it as soon as they decide the profits are not sufficient. I am concerned about the TPP and I will guarantee that Hillary's objections to the current wording of the TPP will be magically resolved and she will push for it. I understand those who, in good conscience, have decided that nothing will change if we are continually offered conservative corporatist candidates and told we must vote for them because the other guy is much worse. Hillary is bad and Trump is terrible, so the slide downward continues either way.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
31. Trump will become the new McGovern.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

He's the least scary candidate to run in my lifetime, as far as chances at the White House

pampango

(24,692 posts)
23. Great cartoon. I guess acting and pandering make for good campaigning, not so good
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

for governing.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
22. HuffPo Soltz: Speech full of blatant internal contradictions
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:13 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/donald-trumps-frightening_b_9790058.html

It seems that Trump's speech has been cut and pasted together from several sources.

Just one example:

The countries we are defending must pay for the cost of this defense, and if not, the U.S. must be prepared to let these countries defend themselves. We have no choice.

Just seconds later, in someone else’s section of the speech, he said:

To our friends and allies, I say America is... going to be a great and reliable ally again. It’s going to be a friend again.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
24. Morning Joe was comparing Trump's speech
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

to the best of Ronald Reagan. Not kidding.

And, he's been generally against Trump. (he was big on Jeb for a long time)

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
34. He is getting squarely in line
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

he keeps getting papers to let him do op eds on how stupid everyone has been for not listening to him say Trump was a serious candidate.

Yesterday was all fellatiating Trump/slamming Hillary.

Hes so simple minded while he is functionally disingenuous it is sot obvious it turns the word on its head.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,425 posts)
26. to quote BHO - 'please proceed' - the more asshat T-Rump talks the more independents are going
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

to vote Democratic

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
32. One of his "advisors" (a professor) was on NPR this morning, and that guy sounded dumb as dirt, too!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

The advisor sounded like a moron!

Gawd!

elljay

(1,178 posts)
44. Which means the base will love him
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:45 PM
Apr 2016

Someone who can talk in simple 4 word sentences wins over a Rhodes Scholar with 500 peer-reviewed papers and a Nobel Prize. Every time.

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