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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:21 PM Apr 2016

The House Just Voted To Give Wall Street Billions From Americans’ Retirement Savings

Terrific.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/house-fiduciary-rule_us_57222ef1e4b0f309baeff11b

The House Just Voted To Give Wall Street Billions From Americans’ Retirement Savings
Investment advisers are allowed to give you bad advice. The House wants to keep it that way.
04/28/2016 04:31 pm ET | Updated 2 hours ago

Ben Walsh
Business Reporter, The Huffington Post

Jim Bourg / Reuters
A new bill introduced by Rep. David Roe (R-Tenn.) would preserve financial advisers’ ability to steer their clients into investments that aren’t in the clients’ best interest.

If the House of Representatives gets its way, President Barack Obama won’t be able to crack down on unnecessary fees that cost Americans billions of dollars in retirement savings a year.

The House voted 234 to 188 Thursday to undo a rule proposed by the Labor Department earlier this month that would require anyone getting paid to provide retirement investment advice to act in the best interest of retirees. Many people think that’s already how things work, but it isn’t.

The way things work right now is that brokers who oversee retirement savings accounts can be paid extra to steer their clients into unnecessarily expensive funds or excessively risky investments, without disclosing that fact to their clients. That sort of conflicted investment advice costs Americans saving for retirement $17 billion a year, according to the White House Council of Economic Advisers.

To remedy the situation, the Obama administration proposed a fiduciary rule to keep Wall Street from taking so much money in fees from retirement accounts. The financial industry has opposed the rule from the start, saying it will raise costs and limit the advice investors can receive.

Legislators have tried to undercut the proposed rule, which is currently being reviewed by the Office of Management and Budget, for some time. In December, there was a push, which ultimately failed, to include language neutering the rule in the massive omnibus spending bill. And in October 2015, the House passed a similar bill to the one passed Thursday. Three such measures have been introduced in the Senate.

Fortunately for those worried about how this could affect savings, it’s likely that Obama would veto any bill rejecting the fiduciary rule that made it through the House and Senate.

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The House Just Voted To Give Wall Street Billions From Americans’ Retirement Savings (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2016 OP
Stay home in NOV or vote 3rd party and this will become law Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #1
Hillary Stands Up to for to for Wall Street. Wilms Apr 2016 #2
Cut it out.... 840high Apr 2016 #4
OK. Wilms Apr 2016 #11
Please cut it out, Wilms. Hortensis Apr 2016 #44
There is a connection between Clintons and the destruction of the Democratic Party. Wilms Apr 2016 #68
I'm not trying to turn you into a Hortensis Apr 2016 #69
Stop fighting for ANTI-progressive forces? Wilms Apr 2016 #70
If you really think Hillary would veto such a bill you're not paying attention. Scuba Apr 2016 #5
None of them are paying attention. Phlem Apr 2016 #7
Show me some proof Andy823 Apr 2016 #19
It doesn't matter anymore now does it. Phlem Apr 2016 #22
It seems as if you could not refute the argument that was presented to you. Thus, you lose. n/t xocet Apr 2016 #37
The only right wing trolls here RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #42
Noooo !!!!! Angel Martin Apr 2016 #57
Fucking Crickets. AGAIN. Phlem Apr 2016 #73
She would sign that bill in a heartbeat Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #27
Oh really, you don't say. Phlem Apr 2016 #12
I think someone just passed gas. nm floriduck Apr 2016 #17
Vote Clinton and you'll get a triangulatedly toned-down version of this law. VOTE BERNIE! Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #33
Stay home in NOV or vote 3rd party and this will become law AlbertCat Apr 2016 #34
Threats are no way to motivate voters. n/t xocet Apr 2016 #36
Maybe you can tell Hillary thru this person Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #39
It is your post at issue. There is no need to tell anyone else. n/t xocet Apr 2016 #43
Me personally? You will or wont vote because of what I said? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #45
From Jan 16, 2016 to Apr 29, 2016 there have been 2801 posts. Stopping for a minute and thinking... xocet Apr 2016 #46
So no, you wont. Let me guess, not a dimes difference between the parties? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #47
On and on you *roll... n/t xocet Apr 2016 #48
If you're so concerned, why are you supporting Hillary? There's a hell of a lot more difference cui bono Apr 2016 #51
Bernie voter here... Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #58
LOL! cui bono Apr 2016 #59
Rude? So the one who will show up and vote is rude, the ones who wont are what? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #60
You're talking a lot but you're not saying anything. cui bono Apr 2016 #61
So not a dimes worth of difference between the two parties, right? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #62
Asked and answered. You're going in circles now. cui bono Apr 2016 #64
Oh please, Hillary would sign this into law. cui bono Apr 2016 #49
Your implication that Clinton would stop this is funny. Put your faith in Goldman-Sachs/Clinton. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #63
A Billion here, a Billion there ... lpbk2713 Apr 2016 #3
Obama will veto it if it makes it through the Senate. Any Democrat would. pampango Apr 2016 #6
Hillary probably would not. She is in the hands of Wall Street more than any Democrat JDPriestly Apr 2016 #14
She would not, she would sign it Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #28
The republican controlled House of Representatives sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #8
Exactly, for most part it's a revenue stream opportunity to enhance the wealth for themselves RKP5637 Apr 2016 #26
I have no hope. I see no future. n/t Hotler Apr 2016 #9
... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #67
I'm so lucky Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #10
Spot On. Phlem Apr 2016 #13
I gave up on the banks in 2010 tom_kelly Apr 2016 #18
Welcome to DU, Airman! Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #23
Why go though all the HOOPS? yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #15
Roe is a piece of excrement. paleotn Apr 2016 #16
No worry, after all Andy823 Apr 2016 #20
So Congress eliminates fiduciary responsibility and legalizes scamming. Great. ancianita Apr 2016 #21
This is why I want to read Hillary's Wall Street transcripts. Vinca Apr 2016 #24
Clearly, she wants to be perceived as being against it... dchill Apr 2016 #29
RepubliHoods AxionExcel Apr 2016 #25
And yet again M$Greedia lets this slide malaise Apr 2016 #30
I was thinking the same thing. avaistheone1 Apr 2016 #41
every vote for the bill (R) every vote against (D)... NoMoreRepugs Apr 2016 #31
In 1980 I got my series 7 license and one of the rules I was bound by was to give advice in kimbutgar Apr 2016 #32
I had mine too and I remember the fiduciary responsibility was smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #35
Goodness, what could have possibly changed since 1980? n/t malthaussen Apr 2016 #38
Fiduciary responsibility applies to advisory fee-based business. truebrit71 Apr 2016 #72
Did any Ds vote for it? That is the important issue right now. jwirr Apr 2016 #40
Here you go .............the vote for the record.................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #66
SSDD Rex Apr 2016 #50
The GOP SUCKS in so many ways.... nt vkkv Apr 2016 #52
234 - 188. Yep, more of that 'no difference' the Paulbots keep pushing here. blm Apr 2016 #53
Grifting - it's making America Great Again! bluedigger Apr 2016 #54
I think you're on to something... KansDem Apr 2016 #65
And yet half the country will vote Republican in November. sinkingfeeling Apr 2016 #55
They won't be happy Faux pas Apr 2016 #56
The GOP are a bunch of mean-sprited a-holes GOPblows431 Apr 2016 #71

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Please cut it out, Wilms.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

There is a connection between your behavior and the power of the House Republican caucus.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
68. There is a connection between Clintons and the destruction of the Democratic Party.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

Name one (positive) thing Hillary will do better than Sanders.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. I'm not trying to turn you into a
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary supporter, Wilms. Frankly, I don't care. I'm asking you, as a Sanders supporter and supposed progressive or something, to stop fighting for ANTI-progressive forces.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
70. Stop fighting for ANTI-progressive forces?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016

That's the third-way and their ilk and you could know that. I realize that Hillary calls herself a progressive. That's pretty much the only thing she has in common with it.

How dare you call me an "or something". You're a Clinton supporter. She's the "or something". Something this day, the opposite the next, etc.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
7. None of them are paying attention.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

It's been proven over and over again.

It's all: Blah blah blah Bark bark grooowll Bark and also the fingers in the ears thing La la la la la la la!

That's pretty much it.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
19. Show me some proof
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016

Since she has never been the president before, I would like to know how you KNOW for sure she would do this? Is it just all that BS the right wing trolls have been spewing here? Could you actually show me some proof to your claims? Shouldn't be to hard since it's been proven, over, and over, and over again, right?

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
22. It doesn't matter anymore now does it.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:22 AM
Apr 2016

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
57. Noooo !!!!!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:53 PM
Apr 2016

...repeal of Glass-Steagall, TARP, TBTF, ... Clinton would never favour financial interests to the detriment of ordinary Americans.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
12. Oh really, you don't say.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

Funny you mention that because no one here has EVER put that together.

Thanks for the info.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
33. Vote Clinton and you'll get a triangulatedly toned-down version of this law. VOTE BERNIE!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

And nominate him too! We need his ideas, not another round of moribund status quo.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
34. Stay home in NOV or vote 3rd party and this will become law
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

But not because you stayed home or voted 3rd party.

Stop trying to scare us into supporting things we don't support. It's so GOP!

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
39. Maybe you can tell Hillary thru this person
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511860350

what exactly Hillary needs to do for YOU so she can have your vote.

While I am on the Sanders campaign, I do have friends on the Clinton and they have asked this question.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
45. Me personally? You will or wont vote because of what I said?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

I keep wondering if any of you will stop for a minute and THINK

xocet

(3,871 posts)
46. From Jan 16, 2016 to Apr 29, 2016 there have been 2801 posts. Stopping for a minute and thinking...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

seems unlikely. Even your last reply is off-topic.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
51. If you're so concerned, why are you supporting Hillary? There's a hell of a lot more difference
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:37 PM
Apr 2016

between Bernie and Hillary than Hillary and any Republican.

You are backing the wrong person if you are wanting to rein in Wall Street.

.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
3. A Billion here, a Billion there ...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016



sooner or later you're talking about real money.


Everett Dirksen lives.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. Obama will veto it if it makes it through the Senate. Any Democrat would.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

They don't have the votes to override a veto. Republicans know that. They are just going through the motions to earn the money they receive from the finance industry.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. Hillary probably would not. She is in the hands of Wall Street more than any Democrat
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

I can remember. Sad but true.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
8. The republican controlled House of Representatives
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

is a criminal enterprise that conspires against all but the wealthiest Americans in service to the wealthiest Americans. Such political crime syndicates are generally referred to as kleptocracies.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
26. Exactly, for most part it's a revenue stream opportunity to enhance the wealth for themselves
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

and their cronies, and the literally stupid guppies of the US keep voting them in and in. The US has become a ridiculous place. It's full of corruption and kickbacks from top to bottom bringing out the worst of a dysfunctional capitalistic ruthless system. Now, not all are that way, but IMO many are to one degree or another.


Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
10. I'm so lucky
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

My Credit Union not only offers investment services, but also pays a staff of certified financial advisors a straight salary. No fees. No kickbacks from Wall Street firms.
My personal advisor has put me on a good path, and I trust her because there are no conflicts of interest. And her advice has not only yielded good results, but also cost me nothing. Nada. Zip.
I realize this is not available (yet) to most CU members. But it's worth asking around.

Fuck the too-big-to-fail banks and their slimy connections to investment firms!

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
15. Why go though all the HOOPS?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

WHY doesn't the house make it LEGAL FOR REPUBLICANS ONLY to be able to STEAL AND ROB BANKS. Just SHOW YOUR Republican card, and get a free pass. No Jail time, No Prosecution. Basic Amnesty. Of course to get your Republican card, you either have to be a Senator or maybe a major COKE dealer.



paleotn

(17,913 posts)
16. Roe is a piece of excrement.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
Apr 2016

His district is just across the border from me. He's just as slimy as my own Rep. Mark Meadows. I swear these lunk heads would vote for the f'ing antichrist if he or she were a Rethuglican. Morons.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
20. No worry, after all
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

I read on that "other site" where so many here go, that it wouldn't be all the bad if Trump where president. I mean they said so, and they said the Supreme Court was not a big deal either, so nobody should worry since they also claim both parties are the same, right?

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
21. So Congress eliminates fiduciary responsibility and legalizes scamming. Great.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:22 PM
Apr 2016

If there is no adult contractual integrity, there is no economic integrity.

Suited jackals are enabling nothing but an economic jungle of prey and predators.

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
24. This is why I want to read Hillary's Wall Street transcripts.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:51 AM
Apr 2016

Is she for this or against this? For the purpose of this campaign I'm sure she's against it, but how about when she was giving speeches and being paid obscene amounts of money?

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
41. I was thinking the same thing.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

No wonder so few of us watch main stream media - they don't focus on much of importance or consequence.



NoMoreRepugs

(9,425 posts)
31. every vote for the bill (R) every vote against (D)...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

if only the goobers and gomers in this country knew the truth about R's

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
32. In 1980 I got my series 7 license and one of the rules I was bound by was to give advice in
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

The best interests of the clients. It was called the fiduciary responsibility. I guess that went out the window when they got rid of glass segal.

It's so sad and disgusting lawmakers care more about their donors than their citizens. And too bad their rep in Tennessee will be re-elected again and his constituents will never hear of this because this guy will run on Jesus and the evil government taxing them.




 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
35. I had mine too and I remember the fiduciary responsibility was
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:38 AM
Apr 2016

taken very seriously. Not any more, I guess. This world makes me sick sometimes.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
72. Fiduciary responsibility applies to advisory fee-based business.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:06 PM
Apr 2016

This new over-reach by the DOL is an attempt to bring everyone under that standard for any sort of retirement business.

It places an incredible burden on smaller broker-dealers and exposes them up to increased liability.

This will ironically have the opposite effect and actually DECREASE the number of choices investors have for advice.

But hey, it makes for a great soundbite and Wall St always makes a great villain.

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
66. Here you go .............the vote for the record....................
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2016/roll176.xml

It just truly amazing how the republicans condone, that it is alright to rip people off and have it be legal, then turn right around and have there lobbyists sitting in there office as paid staff, and have some of them as functionaries of ALEC, Elliott Management, etc....getting this moola from the same firms, and say, see, we or just has corrupt and have always been corrupt, and people keep voting us in to be corrupt, and we got the means from U.S. Supreme Court to do this stuff, and they can make ripping off people legal-------------------amazing

And has for Clinton-------------------
Thomas Franks book: Listen, Liberal and--------------



Honk-----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

blm

(113,061 posts)
53. 234 - 188. Yep, more of that 'no difference' the Paulbots keep pushing here.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:42 PM
Apr 2016

Fvck the no difference crowd.

 

GOPblows431

(51 posts)
71. The GOP are a bunch of mean-sprited a-holes
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

It just makes me sick to my stomach. They have no regard for human life, except for the 1%

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