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BY MARC CAPUTO AND STEVE BOUSQUET
MCAPUTO@MIAMIHERALD.COM
Gov. Rick Scotts elections chief on Wednesday defiantly refused a federal demand to stop purging non-citizens from Floridas voter rolls, intensifying an election-year confrontation with President Barack Obamas administration as each side accuses the other of breaking federal law.
In a sharply worded letter, Scotts administration claimed the Department of Justice doesnt understand two federal voting laws at the heart of the dispute and was protecting potentially illegal voters more than legal ones.
Florida also accused another federal agency, the Department of Homeland Security, of violating the law by denying Florida access to a federal citizenship database.
This hardly seems like an approach earnestly designed to protect the integrity of elections and to ensure that eligible voters have their votes counted, said the letter, written by Scotts hand-picked secretary of state, Ken Detzner, a fellow Republican.
Detzner also submitted a list of four questions that he wants the DOJ to answer.
In tone and substance, the letter all but dares the Justice Department to sue Florida for allegedly violating the 1965 Voting Rights Act and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), nicknamed motor voter.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/06/2835732/feds-erred-in-demanding-florida.html#storylink=cpy
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It tells the stories of the cases leading up to the Brown decision, and the non-results afterwards.
In regards to officials like Governor George Wallace of Alabama and Orval Faubus of Arkansas, irons asks, "What good is the rule of constitutional law, if the very officials sworn to obey it refuse to do so?"
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)tabatha
(18,795 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)They stubbornly refuse to understand how this country is supposed to function.
DocMac
(1,628 posts)Suich
(10,642 posts)and a Republican, said she and the rest of the supervisors are not going to do any purging because it's AGAINST THE LAW. Scott can say anything he wants, but when it comes to actual purging, he has nothing to do with it.
She was on Rachel Maddow tonight and takes her job very seriously.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)He gets right to it - a purge this late is illegal according to NVRA.
The Leon County Supervisor of Elections office has determined the federal National Voter Act of 1993 (NVRA) prohibits the systematic purging of Florida's voting rolls in the manner described by the Florida Division of Elections for the non-immigrant matches in the Florida Voter Registration System. Accordingly, our office will not contact voters about this issue during the 90 days prior to any election containing federal races.
A statement from the U.S. Department of Justice web site describing Section 8 of the NVRA follows:
1. Does Section 8 impose any time restrictions on States as to when a general list maintenance program can be conducted?
Yes. Section 8 requires States to complete any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official list of eligible voters not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary election or general election for federal office. This 90 day deadline applies to state list maintenance verification activities such as general mailing and door to door canvasses. This 90 day deadline does not, however, preclude removal of names at the request of the registrant, removal due to the death of the registrant, removal due to criminal conviction or mental incapacity of the registrant as provided by State law, nor does the deadline preclude correction of a registrant's information.
http://www.leonvotes.org/includes/HomePDFs/2012/US_DoJ_Section8_Ruling_20120531.pdf
bigtree
(85,998 posts)His own state election officials won't go along with him. So much for Scott trying to play like it's Fl against the Obama Justice Dept.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Its a county wide elected office. Scott cant order them to do squat, nor can he fire them. All Scott can do is sue. If that happens, DOJ is likely to provide legal aid to the counties.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)take Scott aside and school him on what happens when states presume to question and defy the rule of law as laid out by the United States Supreme Court and enforced by the U.S. Department of Justice. Does Scott really want his state government offices occupied by rifle-carrying troops of the 82nd and\or 101st Airborne? He's really asking for such an outcome, imo, with this states rights nonsense.
lib2DaBone
(8,124 posts)They have no fear of Holder or his Justice Department...
Scott is just being the bully he is and thumbing his nose at Obama. We shall see if anything happens.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Woodrow Nilson Mann, the Mayor of Little Rock, asked President Eisenhower to send federal troops to enforce integration and protect the nine students. On September 24, the President ordered the 101st Airborne Division of the United States Army to Little Rock and federalized the entire 10,000 member Arkansas National Guard, taking it out of the hands of Faubus.
LMFAO!
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)That quote is quite thrilling. Eisenhower may not have been perfect, but he was decisive in his use of federal action in this instance. And it was not that popular when he did it...
malaise
(269,054 posts)for Medicare fraud
Ship of Fools
(1,453 posts)Isn't Prick Scott a Teabagger? And don't Teabaggers
have itchy trigger fingers? (Or is he too stupid to know
that he's playing with fire?) This may not end well.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)immediately if not sooner.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)and he'll be out of a job this time next year.
Seems like someone would bring this to his att:
lovelyrita
(241 posts)Changes that have already taken place in Florida:
New voter ID laws.
Fines and huge barriers in place for registering voters so groups like the League of Women Voters are not registering voters in Florida this year.
The state, even though the voters voted on Amendments 5 and 6 which is for Fair Districts, waited until the last minute to submit new district maps making it nearly impossible for incumbents to be challenged.
Cut down on early voting days.
Not sure if people are paying attention but it has been really bad in Florida for awhile now and this election will be a serious battle.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)
And got the fines for registering suspended. They are now training people to register voters.
James Call, 06/06/2012 - 03:23 PM
The League of Women Voters of Florida and Rock the Vote both pledged during a series of news conferences across the state Wednesday to resume voter registration efforts. The announcement follows last weeks decision by U.S. District Court Judge Robert Hinkle that struck down a provision in a 2011 Florida law regulating third-party voter-registration groups.
Were very excited, said Marilynn Wills, vice president of the Tallahassee League. Its what we do: register and educate voters. We had been doing it for 72 years, until they passed that law last year.
The two groups held news events in 10 Florida cities to announce the resumption of voter registration drives.
In 2011 the Florida Legislature passed HB 1355, an election law that among other things required groups to submit registration forms within 48 hours of collection or face a $1,000 fine for each violation. The LWV called the requirement onerous and filed suit. Hinkle agreed and found that citizen-led registration drives enjoy First Amendment protections. His ruling revived the old rules that gave third-party groups 10 days to submit voter forms.
More: http://www.thefloridacurrent.com/article.cfm?id=27994440
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)marmar
(77,081 posts)nt
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and speeches by George Soros at full volume
IDemo
(16,926 posts)I think we can safely remove the "all but" part from this line.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)markmyword
(180 posts)It really doesn't matter what Scott or any of these Republican Governors do to the voting rolls,
Holder will DO NOTHING!
Yes, he sent a letter, yes he told Scott what he's doing is illegal, but in the end, the Justice Department under Holder's leadership(or not), will turn a blind eye and let them get away with it.
Then you wonder why Democrats have a hard time winning elections.
Why didn't Obama GET RID OF BUSH REPUBLICANS who work in the Justice Department?????
They're STILL working inside the Justice Department and who knows what damage they're still doing, four years after Bush has left office!
He could have prosecuted voter fraud in Ohio, during the last presidential election, but he DIDN'T!
Holder for four years has done NOTHING.
Didn't prosecute Bush, Cheney and the rest of their administration.
Never prosecuted Rove for the states attorney scandal(making the position political).
Hasn't prosecuted Goldman Sach's or any other criminals sitting on Wall Street, BECAUSE HOLDER WORKED FOR THEM.
Personally, between candidates from either party, who are working for the corporations and our Justice system who ignore crimes, American democracy seems to be slipping away for us regular Americans.
I hope I'm wrong and Holder does SOMETHING this time, but I'm not holding my breath.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)The AG is being belittled & grilled in the house & Florida does not recognize his validity anymore than they respect Obama.
Of course they will defy the order..
Whatever the outcome, it will likely end up in court, to be settled after Romney is sworn in
Watch Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio & PA do the same
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Seems to be kind of random. However, I do believe that only eligibile voters should be able to vote - otherwise, valid votes are diluted. I don't understand why DHS won't let Florida see the list, as that seems like it would be a valid source of info for removing truly ineligible voters.
I'm also curious as to whether or not the Voting Rights Act can be enforced across the entire state or only in the five counties currently covered.