I didn't know that.

And he didn't care about NC and the bathroom nonsense. It's women and Latino's. Hillary needs to marshal or at least keep the majority of the 74 percent of women that say they will vote for her now.

He said he rather have the short guys with yarmulkes doing his accounting than blacks because the former are better with money. That was a veritable twofer of bigotry. He dissed Jews for being obsessed with money while dissing blacks for not being smart enough to handle it.

I have never come across this quote. I looked it up and this page says a disgruntled employee who was fired for incompetence made up that quote after being fired. I think there are many issues to oppose Trump on, but it is important not to make up quotes just to malign him or else he may gain the sympathy of the public.

A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. I think sometimes a black may think they don't have an advantage or this and that... I've said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage.
The R.A.C.E., NBC, quoted in Porter, David D. (13 September 1989), "What Must Blacks Go Through?", Orlando Sentinel, retrieved on 2011-06-06


Here is Trump's full quote on Jews, blacks, and handling money:

Your argument that if this quote is real, the other quote too must be real is not correct. Why should it be the case that the other quote is correctly attributed just because this one has been correctly attributed? As I said, you need to use facts and not made up stuff. I am fine if you use quotes that have been verified to make your point.

That said, Hillary has been funded by Trump and Trump praised her. Trump and the Clintons are very close and it was Bill Clinton's idea that Trump run for Presidency. Hillary too should be held responsible for all the racism of Trump.

This is why we need to support Bernie Sanders.

I am getting a "Leave Trump alone " vibe that all the obscurantism in the world can not camouflage. The man is a racist, an anti-semite, a misogynist, a nativist, a sexist, and a bully. There is more than enough information in the public domain to support my assertion. I am beside myself that someone that someone who holds himself or herself out as a progressive would deign to defend him.

...ever since my dear departed mother explained to me why the Irish were willing to allow German Nazis to occasionally land on their soil during WW II. We are Irish-American, but hell's bells.

Here Are 9 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist:
The Justice Department sued his company — twice — for not renting to black people

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him

He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States


He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five

He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83





The democrats haven't even started on this guy,there's a reason why the GOP is in a full blown panic over his nomination.

And how long ago was that? And yes that matters. David Duke thing, he dropped the ball no denying that.

Not if Hillary is the nominee. In NY, for example (not even a southern state), three times as many black people voted for Hillary as Bernie.

They'll support her over Trump, too.

he's an angel

$illary's playing the race card will only get her so far.

Rude, crude, can't speak a complete sentence and a total narcissist. I think he is stoppable. I hope to God he is.

If he wins, I hope his narcissism destroys the GOP.

the next day and that no-one will be more fierce militarily than he will be.

PS: Trump also gets a lot of his products made in China…..pretty sure HE negotiated those deals.

His weaknesses are MANY, unless you deliberately don't WANT to notice them.

And that is supposed to be what he's good at.

He doesn't have the Koch's behind him.

Think muslims are loyal to the country. unfair but that's what it is. And yes, illegal immigration is a problem.

It should be 90.

But a lot of those 64% will never be available to Trump.

But a lot of those 64% will never be available to Trump.

We need to keep him far, far away from the Presidency.

And I'm hoping that with his talk of having Palin in his cabinet and cruz as a SOTUS nominee, people will get past their emotional investment.

I remember that night I sat and watched in utter disbelief as we were saddled with 4 more years of W.

...in any possible way.

Republicans are about 40% of the electorate. He gets about 50% of them. Do the math

Last week, Rasmussen Reports gave voters the option of staying home on Election Day if Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are the big party nominees, and six percent (6%) said that’s what they intend to do for now. Clinton and Trump were tied with 38% support each; 16% said they would vote for some other candidate, and two percent (2%) were undecided.

But Trump edges slightly ahead if the stay-at-home option is removed. Trump also now does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with 41% support to Clinton’s 39%. Fifteen percent (15%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

As of October 2014 , Gallup polling found that 43% of Americans identified as Democrats and 39% as Republicans, when party "leaners" were included; those figures changed to 41% Democratic and 42% Republican after the November 2014 elections.
Political party strength in U.S. states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My facts.

due to the chance of Clinton being the nominee. As of the most recent data I saw, Indies are the majority party. And I think the Dems were in the mid-thirty percent range.

Repubs have 25%, Indies 44% and Dems 31%.

I sincerely hope you are not required to perform research in real life!

Wikipedia is about as good a source of accurate information as Britannica, the venerable standard-bearer of facts about the world around us, according to a study published this week in the journal Nature.

http://www.cnet.com/news/study-wikipedia-as-accurate-as-britannica/

He will indeed be a 'force to be reckoned with'.

He is an "America First" isolationist (in his own words) of the type that FDR had to deal with.

How about this one?

http://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/harvard-iop-spring-2016-poll

There is no conceivable EC map that renders this plausible. He'd have to not lose any R leaning state, win all swing states without exception and still need to be lucky. Anyone saying this has not seen his polling in key swing states and even some R strongholds.

You write, "There is no conceivable EC map that renders this plausible." Here's one I think is at least plausible: Trump, by continuing his appeals to bigotry and amping up his attacks on trade deals if Clinton is the nominee, surges among white working-class voters. That enables him to flip several Obama states in the Rust Belt -- Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. If he wins them and holds all of Romney's states, he gets precisely 270 electoral votes.

In the standard listings of blue-red-swing states, the states that have gone Democratic in each of the last six presidential elections are often treated as safe for our side (the "Blue Wall&quot . The standard listing, however, assumes a standard Republican candidate. I'm suggesting that Trump might have a better chance of winning a few "Blue Wall" states in the Rust Belt than he would of winning Florida, even though Florida has consistently been close since 2000.

Of the four states I listed, Obama's biggest 2012 margin was in Michigan, at 9.5%. That's not so overwhelming as to be out of reach. From 2008 to 2012, the GOP gained more than that in Indiana, turning a one-point loss into a ten-point win.

Trump has a chance to lead the Republicans to a Goldwater-level debacle, but he also has the chance to pull off a win that would be out of reach for Jeb! or Kasich or any of the other conventional politicians whom he so unexpectedly defeated.

Demographics change even in four years and Latino registration is booming. They are not signing up to vote Trump.

The ONLY chance for Trump is a Sept/Oct Indictment Fairy, and not just for some humdrum "mishandling". It would have to be for a serious, easily grasped by idiots, intentional abuse of meaningful classified info.

I agree with you that, among Hispanics, Trump will probably do even worse than Romney did. That's the main reason I said that Trump would have better chances of flipping Rust Belt states even though Florida was a much closer Obama win in 2012.

If Trump flips the four Rust Belt states I named and keeps all of Romney's states, he wins, even without Florida (which was not a Romney state).

I don't expect an indictment. My how-Trump-might-win scenario depended on other factors. In the unlikely event that there is an indictment, however, it will be devastating, regardless of the substance. You focus on what would be "easily grasped by idiots" and I agree that's crucial. (Neither candidate can afford to write off the idiot vote.) But millions of voters won't parse the terms of an indictment, the way you suggest. The accusation that a candidate committed a felony will be all they focus on.

Trump is a very unconventional candidate. It's possible that this year, the cliffhanger state that decides the election will not be Florida. Here's another scenario, incorporating the hypothesis of Trump gains in the Rust Belt: Florida, instead of being close, is in the bag for the Democrats (thanks, Hispanics!). Ohio, instead of being close, is in the bag for the Republicans. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, despite six straight elections going blue, go red. Trump backers rejoice as those states are called on election night. BUT Arizona, despite having gone red in 15 of the last 16 elections and not normally being considered a swing state, has seen a surge of Hispanic voter registration, motivated by hostility to Trump. The networks find it "too close to call" until several hours after the polls close, when it's finally seen to flip to blue. The Democratic nominee is the President-Elect.

To be clear, my prediction is that Trump will not flip all those Rust Belt states, but it's not a possibility I'd write off with complete confidence.

The Democrats will easily win the White House, and will have a good chance to pick up majorities in congress.

There is a very good reason the Republican leadership has tried to stop Trump. They can read the data, the demographics, the electoral projections.

Allow me to go on a tangent, but the establishment of the two parties are together. Only the people have been divided. You should listen to Ralph Nader who has a great insight on this.

Any man who could look at Al Gore and Dubya Bush and say there's no difference between them is not worth listening to.

Al Gore supported the Iraq invasion of Poppy Bush in 1991. He went against the majority of the Democratic Party when he did this. Al Gore embraced the "free market solution" of Poppy Bush for the environmental problem as his own and it went by the name of cap and trade. Policies implemented by Junior Bush were advocated by Al Gore as well.

...the same path as Bush Cheney. You really believe that. The man who wanted to save the planet versus the men who would never rest while there was a drop of oil to be extracted for their profit. Really.

Christ on a trailer hitch.

and if you think cap and trade saves the planet, you are claiming that Poppy Bush is the savior. Sorry, I do not buy that.

Apart from anything else, the electoral map just doesn't work for him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/02/republicans-have-a-massive-electoral-map-problem-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-donald-trump/

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Dump is going to push women to vote dem even more. We might even have 60+% of the women's vote, which given that a majority of voters are female favors us immensely.

Then, he will drive Every racial minority group in the country toward us, there is very little chance he would win.

The only group he will win is the same group the GOP always win, "stupid" white men*. A shrinking and increasingly less influential demographic that has lost the repukes the last 2 presidential election.


*[/font]"smart" white men vote dem

A popular one is that all issues are women's issues not just the ones the media portrays. Their message is that women should vote based on jobs, the economy, healthcare and whats best for their families.

I worry that the women vote isn't as "in the bag" as people like to tell themselves. Trump is being underestimated yet again. Minorities are more of a lock in vote than women IMO.

I am not too concerned.

In his mind, anyway. He can think on his feet and say anything without it seeming to hurt him.

Debates with Clinton, if she gets the nom, will be like watching a pay per view boxing match.

Thing is, as smart as she is, Clinton won't be able to think fast enough to parry his all-sided attacks without getting herself into corner after corner with her own potential voters. He is going to make her lie, lie, lie and be ugly, ugly, ugly, and those will make great ads for him.

Which is why Bernie would beat him in debates... He has solid positions and won't have to defend himself on all sides. Just hold the line on the issues that matter and hit tRump on all sides.

Which will be one of the worst things for women, actually.
Bernie has been letting her great weaknesses as a candidate slide... And when he raises any of them he is shamed for hurting her.

What a farce of a primary this has been.

Americans love blood sport, they love a winner.
She will crack like a shell.
She will not survive until the votes are cast.

against every Republican match up. So we're nominating the candidate with the highest unfavorability rating?

Remind me how the Democrats consistently shoot themselves in the foot? Oh right. It's The Bubble .

Trump is just a gigantic id.

Bernie, otoh, can articulate exactly ONE thing, over and over and over again. One size fits all. One answer for every issue under the Sun.

Bernie has never been vetted by the national media in any meaningful way, because they never took him seriously, and now it's too late for them to really start. Best thing Hillary's campaign can do is for her to continue to take the high road but for her surrogates to start running articles and ads using Bernie's OWN words, because he does have a record, and I think a lot of people will be interested.

on many topics, depending on the changing political winds.

You might want to go to an audiologist if you're not able to hear Bernie's depth on many issues.

"Trump's only weakness is he is abrasive to some female voters...

And POC. And Hispanics. And Native Americans. And most, rather than "some" women. And his lack of policy. And anyone who favors choice. And perceived by many as shallow. And his equivocation of the Klan. And his incoherence when verbally cornered.

Hence, not his only weakness.

I would love to see someone rationalize his winning the general election with a dramatic lack of support from women and minorities... because I like to laugh.

In fact I beg you to. But at least Latinos are divided on Trump. So are PoC.

It was amusing to see CNN finally covering this. But I have seen it in the field. But I beg you, and the rest of the dems to ignore this.

"Trump's only weakness is he is abrasive to some female voters."

The whole "Confederacy " meme is from the same line of thinking - the idea that POC voters don't matter as much do Trump can alienate everyone but angry white dudes and win

turn out in droves to vote both for our excellent candidate and against Trump. Even fricking George Will is encouraging people not to vote for Trump in the GE.

In the debate (I bet there will only be one), Trump will look like a lost blowhard with a 5th grade vocabulary. He'll have the same petulant expression on his face that Trey Gowdy had at the end of the Benghazi hearing. Trump will end up with an epic loss that will make Reagan/Mondale look tight.

McGovern won Massachusetts and DC.

Plenty of ammo available and lots more waiting to be used. Most of the newer stuff will start hitting about the first of October

he made on the Howard Stern show.

It will come up in a debate and he won't be able to avoid it.

and if Bernie gets the nomination (unlikely at this point) he beats him by +13.5

So, no not really unstoppable at all.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Cruz is the bigger issue than Trump. Keep in mind, that a recent poll said that if Trump gets the nomination, close to 20% of Republicans will vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination.

and stupid too.

Next non-expert analysis please.

We absolutely need take him very seriously! That being said, Trump will not get 1% of the African American vote for his war on President Obama as being illegitimate, for his support of the KKK and most notably, he'd drive the US into extinction with his policies. Combine that with what he's said about hispanics, asians and immigrants in general.

And then there is women.

If you want to tout Trump, go ahead but don't expect the rest of us to listen to your bullshit.

He is abrasive to Hispanics, blacks, Jews, and women.

The Republican Party itself is so scared that he is going to loose, that their big donors are starting to back Republicans in Congress so they hold on to the House and pouring money into the states to hold on there.

I do not think the General Election will be a walk in the Park, but I think we have an easier route than Trump.

because it means he has to play the "I am a proud Capitalist card" which is really appealing to Republicans on the right. Independents and Democratic party members in general are more open to a socialist candidate on the other hand.

Going against Clinton, he can attack her on trade (he has been setting this up for months), political corruption (he admits he was part of the system feeding candidates like Clinton money), and he can argue that Clinton likes the idea of nation building of the Neocon Bush era with Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran.

Hillary is definitely in their camp.

"Trump's only weakness is he is abrasive to some female voters"

er. banning abortion means he is abrasive to all female voters, or are the female syou talk about the good little subsiveritent oens that do what their hubby says?

so I am not sure where you are coming from with this.

But I have not underestimated Trump at any second of the process

note: This is NOT a Knock against Hillary OR a plug for Trump. Also , I am responding to the OP, so this
should not be moved to the DU primary forum.

Ok..here goes. It is my belief that the majority of both bases will vote their party no matter WHO is the nominee.
That being said...it's the potential swing voters that I am concerned about. If you couple the baggage and the (to some people)
less than like-able persona that Ms Clinton possesses, and couple that with the disdain that the average American
(right and left) has for "Business as usual by insiders" politics, I'm afraid that the swing voters will say "You know
what? Fuck it....I'm gonna vote for the Buffoon and see what happens" Sort of a protest vote I guess you would call it.

He can pull swing voters and Republicans that were frustrated with two straight losses in Presidential elections.

Don't underestimate Trump.

voters? I don't think we are talking about the same candidate. What about minorities, democratic men and anybody with a brain? Even my lily white, rather macho, republican brothers hate him (they hate Cruz too). Not to mention the fact that he's a complete buffoon with the debating skills of a brain-damaged chimp.

A Trump presidency is an all too real possibility.

It's ours to win or lose.

forget about November, and post kitty pictures on the inner tubes, cuz nothing we do will make any difference! It's hopeless! We can't win! It's a done deal! Resistance is futile!

No.fucking.way ....

he will have his ass kicked.

Possibly the dumbest thing I've seen here all night.

You've got to learn how to smoke responsibly.

I see a record amount of votes being cast for the Libertarians in this GE.

General Hayden's comments on Maher's HBO show confirmed it.

I do not think Trump can hold up if a debate moderator forces him to fully defend his positions.

We will all be screwed if this moron gets in the WH.

Just six more months until we have our first woman president.

President Romney hat tip