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Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 05:14 AM Jun 2012

Rachel's "Weird Wonder"

Last night Rachel Maddow reported on the inconsistencies in what Mitt has said versus what he did regarding serving in the military during Vietnam. She called it a "weird wonder" that the media is not reporting on this, particularly since they jumped all over the swiftboating lies against Kerry.

She also pointed to the reporting over W's national guard service and Dan Rather's losing his job over it.

Here's the thing, Rachel. While you are quite brilliant at pointing out inconsistencies and outright lies by Mitt, the problem is that the vast majority of the media totally ignores the fact that Mitt is lying on a daily basis on a wide range of subjects. And the right wing voters certainly don't care. Mitt will get their vote. Period.

Rachel's reporting these things is quite valuable to folks like those who follow Democratic Underground, liberals and progressives. But is it doing any good otherwise? Are people listening or are she, Ed, and the other shows on MSNBC merely preaching to the choir?

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Rachel's "Weird Wonder" (Original Post) Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 OP
Amazing, isn't it. DLevine Jun 2012 #1
Absolutely amazing. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #2
They're preaching to the choir. LuvNewcastle Jun 2012 #3
Fox News is ruining this country. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #4
Please stop referring to Fox News as "news"! tonybgood Jun 2012 #7
Usually I don't. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #8
Fox is only less artful about it than the others KurtNYC Jun 2012 #21
My Response To Your Dad And Brother, I Thought You Were Invulnerable To Communist Torture Techniques cantbeserious Jun 2012 #9
Here's the video link for that segment (7:02): pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #5
I wish one of these stories could be reported as something that President Obama said or did.... trusty elf Jun 2012 #6
Hypocrisy runs deep in the media liberal N proud Jun 2012 #10
"those who follow Democratic Underground, liberals and progressives" are the vast majority geckosfeet Jun 2012 #11
It is good for us. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #12
Exactly what is it you're criticizing? lunatica Jun 2012 #13
I was not criticizing her. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #15
Well I'm a pretty informed person lunatica Jun 2012 #18
Preaching to the choir, chervilant Jun 2012 #14
Her "choir" is otherwise mute. TahitiNut Jun 2012 #16
Sorry but to put it as gently as I can lunatica Jun 2012 #19
Clearly, many of the exceptions post on DU. TahitiNut Jun 2012 #26
Have a nice day. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #28
Faux News Corp 2nd highest shareholder is... syberlion Jun 2012 #17
With the exception of Rachel, Ed and others at MSNBC actually being fair and balanced... rustydog Jun 2012 #20
basically they are preaching to the choir. WI_DEM Jun 2012 #22
Old time medicine men have been around for a long time. They even CK_John Jun 2012 #23
I'm thinking of Dukakis and Romney's police uniform. Gregorian Jun 2012 #24
Almost all MSMedia TV emotionally entraps viewers, they aren't about rational discussions just1voice Jun 2012 #25
She needs to preach it to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir Blue Owl Jun 2012 #27

DLevine

(1,788 posts)
1. Amazing, isn't it.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 05:28 AM
Jun 2012

Could you imagine if it was Obama doing these things? That's all the news media would be talking about, 24/7.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
3. They're preaching to the choir.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 05:36 AM
Jun 2012

A lot of people, even when confronted with the truth about Republican lies and hypocrisy, refuse to acknowledge the truth. People like my dad and my brother start yelling "propaganda!" They watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh and they think Rachel Maddow is a propagandist. You can lead a horse to water.....

tonybgood

(218 posts)
7. Please stop referring to Fox News as "news"!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:45 AM
Jun 2012

It should be "Fox News and Entertainment" since that is what their disclaimer says at the end of every hour. They are not a credible news organization and should not be referred to as such.

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
8. Usually I don't.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:53 AM
Jun 2012

But the poster above me did, so I did in my response.

We know it is not news. It is propaganda that is taken as news by those who don't take the time to check the facts.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
21. Fox is only less artful about it than the others
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jun 2012

Which network was it that said WMDs were a lie?
A: None of them.

The MSM are cheerleaders and we need to stop asking them to be, and treating them like they are, the scoreboard.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
9. My Response To Your Dad And Brother, I Thought You Were Invulnerable To Communist Torture Techniques
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:58 AM
Jun 2012

Maybe that will get a rise out of them that causes a pause to reflect and reconsider.

trusty elf

(7,394 posts)
6. I wish one of these stories could be reported as something that President Obama said or did....
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 05:55 AM
Jun 2012

and then, after letting the wingers and baggers foam at the mouth for a while, have it pointed out to them that in fact it was actually a story about their guy. Maybe then it might dawn on them-but then again maybe not.

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
10. Hypocrisy runs deep in the media
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:17 AM
Jun 2012

When it comes to politics there is a very distinct hypocrisy as far as the media deals with the two parties. It is evident in lies like this as well as voting records and sex scandals.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
11. "those who follow Democratic Underground, liberals and progressives" are the vast majority
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:34 AM
Jun 2012

of the MSNBC audience. The RW teabagging contingent will never even hear what they have to say because they are so tuned into rusH and faux.

[div class="excerpt" style="width:600px;"]But is it doing any good otherwise? Are people listening or are she, Ed, and the other shows on MSNBC merely preaching to the choir?

Yes of course it is doing good - the MSNBC crew should report on and champion news for the progressive world. Why should the right own all of the media?

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
12. It is good for us.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:37 AM
Jun 2012

They are telling the truth and exposing lies.

But what impact does it have? I fear very little because the brainwashed are never going to pay attention.

I need to look at the ratings of both MSNBC and Faux.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. Exactly what is it you're criticizing?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:40 AM
Jun 2012

Because what she is doing is informing her viewers in a way that's very educational. What would you have her do?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. Well I'm a pretty informed person
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:03 AM
Jun 2012

Yet she manages to inform me much more thoroughly. She has a way of connecting dots and giving issues a historical background. She proves daily that actions have consequences and that sound bites cover a litany of lies and misinformation.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
14. Preaching to the choir,
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:55 AM
Jun 2012

for damned sure.

(My roomie has no idea who is Rachel Maddow, and she tends to vote for Democrats. I've done a non-scientific poll of individuals living in rural Arkansas: not one could tell me who is Maddow--or Olbermann, or Chomsky, or any of a number of relevant left-leaning individuals.)

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
16. Her "choir" is otherwise mute.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:09 AM
Jun 2012

There is no liberal "choir" ... liberals are annoyingly mute in family gatherings, office lunch rooms, and other daily venues where shit-for-brains reich-wingers spew their dittoheaded vitriol and falsehoods. Lest they be deemed "impolite," liberals (and their weasel-worded "progressive" kin) have, for DECADES, been silent in the various ad hoc forums of the daily grind. God forbid anyone's digestion of a Thanksgiving dinner be disturbed with the simple presentation of truth in response to the family member spewing shit between mouthfuls of stuffing.

It's time "liberals" stopped waiting for Godot ... awaiting some Lone Ranger rescuer. I'm tired beyond tolerance of hearing the constant carping about how "disappointed" they are that Obama didn't SAVE THEM "like he promised." What utter bullshit.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
19. Sorry but to put it as gently as I can
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:06 AM
Jun 2012

Please realize you're speaking for yourself. In my case I've intimidated my family members into silence just by talking with facts. I'm not a nasty person nor do I speak down to them. They just realize that to hold onto the lies they have to not repeat them around me.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
26. Clearly, many of the exceptions post on DU.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jun 2012

Yet even on DU, I've read MORE than a few posts where folks rationalize their silence in the face of reich-wing, even teabagger vitriol. The rationalizations range from "it's no use" to "I don't want to be rude" ... where the FACTS are clearly evident on the side of liberalism.

So, "gently" or not, there cannot be much question, especially over the timeframe I mentioned ("decades&quot , that the "choir" has been virtually mute. It can easily be seen as a meta-reaction to the backlash from "the 60s" and the lurch to the right we've experienced since the beginning of the Reagan/Bush era. To quibble with such a self-evident observation is beyond nit-picking.

The mindset can be very easily seen in the childish 'Christmas morning' disappointment that Obama didn't leap tall buildings with a single bound. It's beyond strange that so few seemed to hear Obama clearly point the finger at 'ALL of us' together shouldering the responsibility for the 'Change We Can Believe In.' He NEVER said he could do it himself. Never.

We seem to continue to suffer under a "Let George Do It" mentality ... from military service to virtually every facet of citizenship in a democracy. The "activists" are the exception ... even those with the minimal moral fortitude sufficient to speak up within their own families.


Indeed, I might note, that the very tone of your reply indicates your own acceptance that you're exceptional, not to mention a recognition that you do battle with your own tendency to "talk down" to others.. It's the exceptions that prove the rule.

More often than not, any response that begins with "Sorry but" is condescending.

syberlion

(136 posts)
17. Faux News Corp 2nd highest shareholder is...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:21 AM
Jun 2012

Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. Remember, 9 of the hijackers for 9/11 were Saudi. What better way to destroy a country than by backing the propaganda to divide the citizens of that country.

Here is an Article from Think Progress in 2010 about a meeting he had with Fox Executives link:http://thinkprogress.org/media/2010/08/24/115285/fox-stewart-alwaleed/?mobile=nc

So, Fox is assisting in destroying this country from within, period.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
20. With the exception of Rachel, Ed and others at MSNBC actually being fair and balanced...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:12 AM
Jun 2012

there is a chance they will swing fence sitters opinion in their reporting. But yes, they are generally preaching to the choir.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
23. Old time medicine men have been around for a long time. They even
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jun 2012

became an art form and early coke dealers.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
25. Almost all MSMedia TV emotionally entraps viewers, they aren't about rational discussions
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:03 PM
Jun 2012

If they were rational, they would never even bring up repukes because all repukes do is lie. It's nonsensical to discuss anything a repuke does as if it has some validity, it doesn't. TV sells a left/right argument even though the right has no legitimate side of any issue -- it's complete BS, the paradigm is wrong.

A friend of mine said it very well "those people are so serious and so wrong".

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