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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:12 AM Jun 2012

These New Drones Are Like Nothing The World Has Ever Seen

http://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-these-next-generation-drones-2012-6

Even with drones already dominating the skies, neutralizing adversaries and covertly collecting data, new research is still underway on the generation of pilotless planes to come.
And the United States isn't the only country interested in developing long-range and lethal drone technology.



The strike fighter was developed by Northrop Grumman as part of a research contract awarded in 2007. Look for these in use for the Navy, which hopes to use them as carrier-based drones. Tests for that begin in 2013.
National Origin: United States
Intended Customers: United States Military and clandestine services
Status: In development, used by Navy for testing
Cruise Speed: around 420 mph, (Mach 0.55)
Wingspan: 62 ft
Range: At least 2,400 miles



Boeing Phantom Ray
The project was hatched in 2007, and was carried out in utmost secrecy. The drone's development was funded internally, without funding from the government of military. The Boeing Phantom Ray, which precedes the development of the Phantom Eye, is Boeing's planned ground strike and surveillance drone.
National Origin: United States
Intended Customers: United States Military and clandestine services
Status: In development, maiden flight April 27, 2011
Cruise Speed: 614 mph (Mach 0.8)
Wingspan: 50 ft
Range: 1500 miles



General Atomics Predator C Avenger
This drone is incredible. The Predator line of drones currently in constant use in Afghanistan and Iraq were the first ever weaponized UAVs. This model follows up with a reduced heat signature and speed boosts. It boasts an upgraded "quick response armed reconnaissance capability" from its predecessors.
National Origin: United States
Intended Customers: United States Military and clandestine services
Status: Deployed. Maiden flight April 4, 2009
Max Speed: 460 mph
Wingspan: 66 ft
Range: 20 hours


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-these-next-generation-drones-2012-6#general-atomics-predator-c-avenger-3#ixzz1x6ZECjtD
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These New Drones Are Like Nothing The World Has Ever Seen (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2012 OP
Raining down death from the comfort of your desk chair in Langley... rfranklin Jun 2012 #1
Boy, we are sure going to be pissed.... vi5 Jun 2012 #2
Shush! theaocp Jun 2012 #4
But, only republicans kill civilians with drones! EOTE Jun 2012 #15
I guess we are trying to drone our way to more oil. unhappycamper Jun 2012 #3
I'm all for drones GarroHorus Jun 2012 #5
If you have to be at war, do it the best you can siligut Jun 2012 #6
Why are we the 'humans to always want what the other guy has'? SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #20
IT goes back to the early days of the species GarroHorus Jun 2012 #23
Thomas Malthus . . . There will never be enough for both you and me. siligut Jun 2012 #25
The down side is that it encourages terrorists. ieoeja Jun 2012 #22
I disagree GarroHorus Jun 2012 #24
Terrorism is by definition asymmetrical warfare. Drones don't change the calculus. morningfog Jun 2012 #28
Two bin Laden's ieoeja Jun 2012 #32
Life for the military will become very interesting if what ever terrorist group Javaman Jun 2012 #7
+1. bemildred Jun 2012 #11
Drones Aren't New..... global1 Jun 2012 #8
First time I have ever seen a pic of those. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #10
That wasn't a drone. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #26
And here are the similarities you purposely left out just1voice Jun 2012 #30
A missile isn't a drone. ag_dude Jun 2012 #34
If you posted a picture of a paper airplane Hitler made ag_dude Jun 2012 #29
Skynet lives. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #9
You beat me to it... Volaris Jun 2012 #13
You would THINK that Ahnold would weigh in on this. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #14
Next step: tactical nuke on board Mairead Jun 2012 #12
These fuckers can and should deliver pizza. nt Dreamer Tatum Jun 2012 #16
... xchrom Jun 2012 #17
dont forget this one! Locrian Jun 2012 #18
Hey, you hang out on b3ta. Gregorian Jun 2012 #21
These are not the drones you're looking for Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #19
Drones are the latest Wonder Weapon to avoid admitting that we lost another war. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #27
Just wait until the other side gets drones. Bake Jun 2012 #31
I had to dodge deaniac21 Jun 2012 #33
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
2. Boy, we are sure going to be pissed....
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:32 AM
Jun 2012

..when there is a Republican in office that we're allowed to criticize for overseeing and maintaining this drone program.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
15. But, only republicans kill civilians with drones!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jun 2012

Obama made it extra clear that males who are in war zones are not civilians and are, therefore, bad. So once a republican takes over and starts killing civilians again, THEN I'll be upset.

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
3. I guess we are trying to drone our way to more oil.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:36 AM
Jun 2012

Sorry about your civilians, but there may be an Al-Qaeda number 2 in your midst.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
5. I'm all for drones
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:01 AM
Jun 2012

Using our technological advantage to insure that, should an aircraft be shot down, all we lose is equipment instead of risking a pilot's life.

Nothing at all wrong with that.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
6. If you have to be at war, do it the best you can
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:13 AM
Jun 2012

I have come to the conclusion that we are never going to just get along. There is something in humans to always want what the other guy has. I would prefer we didn't need this sort of technology at all, but since I am being realistic, I want our defenses/offenses to be the best.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
23. IT goes back to the early days of the species
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jun 2012

Conflict was a way of life. It was how one tribe was able to survive by insuring another tribe was not.

Brutal, but it was how things had to be.

We have yet to outgrow that.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
25. Thomas Malthus . . . There will never be enough for both you and me.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jun 2012

Well, that is paraphrased, but I think it is the basis for war. Going deeper than resources? I am not sure that as long as we are physical beings, that you can go any deeper.

Why do we want more than we can use? Some believe it is the desire for immortality.

Maybe I answered more in a technical sense, but I haven't gotten much further than that in my thinking.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
22. The down side is that it encourages terrorists.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jun 2012

The strategy of terrorism is, of course, to terrify your chosen enemy. Drones send the message that Americans are afraid to risk even a military pilot's life.


 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
24. I disagree
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jun 2012

It sends a message that we are technologically superior so we do not have to risk a highly trained person.

It terrifies the terrorists.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
28. Terrorism is by definition asymmetrical warfare. Drones don't change the calculus.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jun 2012

Drone strikes don't deter terrorism. In fact, the policy radicalizes local populations and increases their numbers. See Pakistan and Yemen since the drone campaign ramped up.

It does not terrify the terrorists, it terrifies the civilians into hating the US.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
32. Two bin Laden's
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:50 PM
Jun 2012

Shock and Awe prompted a relative of Osama's to renounce terrorism. He did the 100s of thousands versus 3 thousand calculation and decided terrorism would end up costing his people more than it would ever us.

Conversely, Osama continually cited examples of supposed American cowardice to encourage terrorists.

- Vietnam
- Lebanon
- Somalia (thanks to the GOP spin that we "fled" Somalia before the mission was complete; we left because it was done)

So there is little doubt he was using drones as evidence of American cowardice.


I was going to say "it does both". But Shock and Awe has nothing to do with drones. So while the drones may worry terrorists tactically, from a strategic standpoint it is pure golden to them.


Javaman

(62,530 posts)
7. Life for the military will become very interesting if what ever terrorist group
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:46 AM
Jun 2012

develops an effective emp bomb.

global1

(25,253 posts)
8. Drones Aren't New.....
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jun 2012

Remember this version? There are probably still people living in London that do.

The V-1 flying bomb (German: Vergeltungswaffe 1,[3] Fieseler Fi 103) — also known as the Buzz Bomb or Doodlebug — was an early pulse-jet-powered predecessor of the cruise missile. The V-1 guidance system used a simple autopilot to regulate altitude and airspeed, developed by Askania in Berlin. With the counter determining how far the missile would fly, it was only necessary to launch the V-1 with the ramp pointing in the approximate direction, and the autopilot controlled the flight.



dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. First time I have ever seen a pic of those.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:12 AM
Jun 2012

Nice to know we have improved drones so much. Hitler would be proud, I bet.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
26. That wasn't a drone.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:21 PM
Jun 2012

That was a cruise missile. Two completely different weapons systems.

Drones require pilots on the ground. Cruise missiles rely on internal guidance systems. Drones carry weapons and return to a base after encountering targets. Cruise missiles are fired and are destroyed when they encounter a single target.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
30. And here are the similarities you purposely left out
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jun 2012

Both are armed, unmanned flying aircraft.
Both are launched into "enemy" territory.
Both kill civilians.
Both create the feeling of being terrorized.

In a real war drones would be great to have. In the fake "war on terror" drone usage creates huge anti-American sentiment not only where the drones kill civilians but also at home as well. Simply put, killing civilians makes the U.S. look like terrorists.

ag_dude

(562 posts)
34. A missile isn't a drone.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jun 2012

Similarities? Yes.

It's not a matter of semantics of message board 'gotcha', they actually different things.

ag_dude

(562 posts)
29. If you posted a picture of a paper airplane Hitler made
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jun 2012

your comparison would be just about as accurate as comparing the V1 missiles to drones.

 

Mairead

(9,557 posts)
12. Next step: tactical nuke on board
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jun 2012

I can easily imagine several of those things buzzing into DC, coming from different directions, flying right on the deck below the radar, everyone sees them but nobody pays attention because our rulers have accustomed us to them, boom boom boom boom boom-- Capitol, WH, Pentagon, CIA, NSA, where else?

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