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applegrove

(118,703 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:34 PM May 2016

Should progressives use the word neoliberal to describe other Democrats?

Jonathan Chait at facebook

https://www.facebook.com/JonathanChaitPublic/posts/1256997364327888

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I wrote a tweet a few days ago complaining about the use of “neoliberal” as a term of abuse on the left against liberals. “What if every use of ‘neoliberal’ was replaced with, simply, ‘liberal’? Would any non-propagandistic meaning be lost?,” I wrote. My meaning is that no current group of people defines itself as “neoliberal.” The term is simply used by leftists, usually of the Marxist and/or socialist variety, to denigrate liberals.

Corey Robin has fired back in two posts. None of them, however, answer my question. The first post focuses on a small sect on intellectuals called “neoliberals,” a term that was invented by Washington Monthly editor Charles Peters in the early 1980s. Neoliberalism was not really an ideology (though Peters sort-of tried to flesh it out into it) but a collection of Peters hobbyhorses that mostly revolved around streamlining the functioning of the federal government. Some writers tried to take other aspects of moderate liberalism and call it “neoliberalism.” But the main point is that the label died years ago, and nobody uses it any more as a form of self-identification. Importantly, even though elements of its ideas made their way into the Democratic Party, the label also never attracted any real following in the Democratic mainstream. Bill Clinton, probably the closest thing to an ally neoliberals would have found, called himself a “New Democrat.”


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Of course, it is convenient for Robin to lump the center-left, with figures like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, in with the far right. This was all Robin’s ideological foes, those who stand for somewhat higher taxes and more generous social spending and decarbonization and regulation of finance can be lumped together with the conservatives who wish to roll all those things back.

So obviously Robin and many of his allies will continue to use the term “neoliberal” to describe liberals, because it serves an important propagandistic function for them. But it will continue to be used only by those people to describe current politics, and by nobody else, because it is not a neutral term or a fair-minded attempt to describe the world.



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Should progressives use the word neoliberal to describe other Democrats? (Original Post) applegrove May 2016 OP
The purists will always reside in their ivory towers Gman May 2016 #1
It always sounds very divisive to me. Label with caution. Hekate May 2016 #2
If the shoe fits.... nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #3
Only if they don't know what "pragmatic" or "realist" or "achievable progress" means. Hoyt May 2016 #4
When it fits, absolutely. HooptieWagon May 2016 #5
this is worth a read. And - yes, absolutely. NRaleighLiberal May 2016 #6
JESUS Ameircans cannot be this ignorant nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #7
The majority of American's are profoundly stupid and infinitely ignorant. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #12
This is a political board nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #13
Beg your pardon? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #14
The OP must be using new and improved nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #15
This is double-speak in the making. snot May 2016 #8
so many straw men redstateblues May 2016 #9
Should feathered things that quack and waddle be called ducks? X_Digger May 2016 #10
If they are, of course. No sense fooling people. nt silvershadow May 2016 #11
The question should be, "Are neoliberals Democrats?" bluedigger May 2016 #16

Gman

(24,780 posts)
1. The purists will always reside in their ivory towers
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

Or mother's basement behind their laptop screen and pontificate about who is worthy and who is not.
They are incredibly annoying.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. When it fits, absolutely.
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:41 PM
May 2016

Clinton embraces neo-liberal economics and neo-conservative foreign policy. These are positions typically held in the past by Republicans, but it's an indication of how far right the Third Way is dragging the Democratic Party.

snot

(10,530 posts)
8. This is double-speak in the making.
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

The Clintons are the embodiment neoliberalism; and back before its chickens came home to roost, they seemed happy to be seen that way!

Now all of a sudden we're "bad" for continuing to apply the term appropriately.

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