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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:07 AM May 2016

1SBM's Anecdotal Observation/Experience out in the real world ...

Mrs. 1SBM and I went out for dinner last night. As we waited in the bar to be seated, there was a guy trumpeting the greatness of trump to whoever was listening (most were not and those who were, were really amazed that this guy was talking so loud ... and crazy). As he spouted on, he got up and began walking in our direction, talking about how trump was winning big with every demographic. When he got just about to my wife and me, Mrs. 1SBM reached under the table and gave my knee a, now, familiar, "Please don't engage this guy!"; but, he stop short of us, and began talking/shouting at the couple seating next to us.

As the trump got hit his groove, one of the couple, simply, said "How? ... How is trump going to do any of that?"

The trump guy rattled off how "hugely successful" and "great" trump was going to make America, again.

Then, the other half of the couple said, "That's not telling us How he's going to do any of it."

The trump guy became angry, and started shouting about how trump would "fix the country that that Muslim (President) Obama broke."

To which other people started chanting the single word, "How?"

When the trump guy started shouting profanities, the restaurant Manager came over and escorted him out ... to the laughter and cheers of most of the other patrons.

I dawned on me, the single most effective rebuttal to a trump supporter is not to debate the issues or respond by telling anyone that trump is a racist/misogynist/islamophobe/fraud/narcissistic asshole; but, that single word, "How?" ... Of course it will not sway the trump supporter; but, it WILL get those around him/her to think.

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1SBM's Anecdotal Observation/Experience out in the real world ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 OP
K&R cyberswede May 2016 #1
Oh, How I wish this late boomer, techno-phobe understood the twitter. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #11
I don't get Twitter, either. Nor do I understand hashtags. nt tblue37 May 2016 #53
Love you 1SBM! Absolutely love you! longship May 2016 #2
Here is 1SBM blushing ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #3
This Bernie supporter who has not been your biggest fan of late just rec'ed your post. Oh, and... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #4
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #12
It's really simple: Create an account if you don't have one. Follow people who interest you. ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #72
K&R LuvLoogie May 2016 #5
how, how, how, how. that should be our battle cry. mopinko May 2016 #6
Mrs. 1SBM was right but.... Omaha Steve May 2016 #7
Yes. And what a great story. Thanks. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #8
Awesome wryter2000 May 2016 #9
LOL ... She has a way of keeping me out of trouble. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #21
How? hfojvt May 2016 #10
LOL ... The courage to do what? LOL. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #13
courage to stand up to the forces of political correctness hfojvt May 2016 #17
LOL ... The the question, again, becomes, "How?" 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #19
and that brings us back to doe hfojvt May 2016 #24
Many really have no clue what they are supporting. NCTraveler May 2016 #14
I'm get to know the knee under the table thing pretty well. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #40
K&R smirkymonkey May 2016 #15
Donald Trump's got what plants crave! He's got electolytes! Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #16
^^^ This ^^^ progressoid May 2016 #31
One of my All-time favorite movies hueymahl May 2016 #34
Trump will dodge that question Gothmog May 2016 #18
Of course he will; but, I suspect right around, or by, the millionth dodge ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #20
Likely nothing will change the mind of a Trump supporter wryter2000 May 2016 #37
That's the point ... We'ew not talking to the tump guy; but rather, everyone else in hearing shot. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #39
Or Trump will say that he can't reveal his plans gratuitous May 2016 #46
Great account, 1SBM. brer cat May 2016 #22
If this election turns into a personality/"character" competition... Wounded Bear May 2016 #23
Epic! Thanks for the great read 1SBM! Firebrand Gary May 2016 #25
Thanks for this story. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #26
...and it will get him kicked out of the establishment. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #27
I'm glad to hear that there are some more sane people in Arizona. kwassa May 2016 #28
And we were in a section of Tucson ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #41
Arizona has some Olympic-class crazy people. kwassa May 2016 #43
Yes ... Sadly, we do ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #44
A thousand times this! How? How? How? nolabear May 2016 #29
Love this account. Many thanks for sharing. Hekate May 2016 #30
A commentator/blogger suggested "How?". You give us real-world proof of its power. . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #32
Exactly how to deal with a Sanders supporter. Indydem May 2016 #33
I LOL'd reading this, thanks! Odin2005 May 2016 #35
I'll bet that was fun. SalviaBlue May 2016 #36
Speaking of oneself in 3rd person? Ned Flanders May 2016 #38
Did I mention that the couple that did the "How" thing, were gay? 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #42
At least he wasn't drunk enough to walk into a real buzzsaw Warpy May 2016 #45
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #47
CSB nt Dreamer Tatum May 2016 #48
as a florida liberal in a a pit fo trump DonCoquixote May 2016 #49
Brilliant! sheshe2 May 2016 #50
shitthatneverhappened.txt BlindTiresias May 2016 #51
What are you talking about? Are you doubting my word? If so, screw you. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #55
Yeah BlindTiresias May 2016 #62
Perhaps English is not your first language ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #63
LOL!!! U4ikLefty May 2016 #56
Don't be a jackass. AgadorSparticus May 2016 #59
Sorry BlindTiresias May 2016 #60
Sorry, I am out of the loop. Let me go look up this tumblr. C'mon, it is still a good story. 😃 AgadorSparticus May 2016 #61
None of his supporters can articulate why they support that clown Press Virginia May 2016 #52
definitely works for me. niyad May 2016 #54
that is telling KT2000 May 2016 #57
That's so awesome. I wish you could have videotaped it and post it here. AgadorSparticus May 2016 #58
Clearly the missing part in all the MSMs' attempts to define Trump randr May 2016 #64
There was a guy on Morning Joe this morning making the same point ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #68
His supporters are all on what appears to be Tsiyu May 2016 #65
They may have watched CNN TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #66
K&R Suprk May 2016 #67
It cracked me up that Mrs. 1SBM knows this side if you so well Sheepshank May 2016 #69
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #70
It's a fair question. malthaussen May 2016 #71
I sometimes miss the idea of going out for dinner, I rarely do it these days yuiyoshida May 2016 #73

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
1. K&R
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

Great idea - just ask "How?" and wait for them to self-implode.

On edit: I'm gonna go post that question to every Trump post I see on Twitter. In fact, I wonder if there's a hashtag for that already. Hmm...

another edit: yes there is: https://twitter.com/hashtag/HowTrump - now it just needs to start trending.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. Love you 1SBM! Absolutely love you!
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

There are some DUers here who work for everybody's collective interest. You are one of them.



My best to you.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
4. This Bernie supporter who has not been your biggest fan of late just rec'ed your post. Oh, and...
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016

...here's a kick, too!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. LOL ...
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:03 PM
May 2016


But let's take it a step father ... See Cyberswede's Post #1 and let's make it so.

Now ... how exactly does the twitter work?
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
72. It's really simple: Create an account if you don't have one. Follow people who interest you.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:13 AM
May 2016

interested in Hillary? In the search box enter her name or enter #HillaryClinton and you'll get a ton of Hillary tweets to peruse. Like quilting? Same thing: #quilting. A keyword with a # preceding it is what is called a "hashtag" and using them helps tweeps ("tweep", a person who tweets) organize and find different topics and interests and people and, most famously for Twitter, breaking news. Twitter also is a great way to take the pulse of the population here in the U.S. and right around the world.

Did you find an interesting web page about Hillary or quilting? Copy the web page title and the link address. Then go back to Twitter and click on the TWEET button, which will open a text input box. Paste the title and the link into this box and include any relevant comment and/or hashtags in the space of 140 characters (links are truncated at 23 characters). To find relevant hashtags, do a search for #HillaryClinton or #quilting, and see what additional hashtags others are using.

Once you have composed your tweet, hit send and it will appear on your profile page and on the search result pages for the hashtags you used. So, if you tweeted to #HillaryClinton, you tweet will show up in a search for that hashtag, along with all the others being tweeted.

The rest is just practice. I used to avoid Twitter but now I love it and I use it for business promotion.

mopinko

(70,138 posts)
6. how, how, how, how. that should be our battle cry.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

because the dude just has zero answers about that.
hopefully that will become glaringly apparent now that he is all alone in the spotlight.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
9. Awesome
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

Perfect. Good for your wife for convincing you not to confront the guy, and great for the folks who finally asked him how.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
17. courage to stand up to the forces of political correctness
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

and the muslins that are destroying this nation and making us weak.

p.s. By the way, it's turtles all the way down. Remember Newton's second law of arguments. (For every argument there is an equal but opposite counter argument (at least in the mind of the person making it)).

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
24. and that brings us back to doe
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

a deer, a female deer.

Details are not that important. It's like the Buddhist 8 fold path. Step one - right view.

Consider my plan for Kansas taxes.

Here's how they worked in the past

2008

bottom 20% - 9.2%
next 20% - 8.6%
top 4% - 8.3%
top 1% - 7.1%

2015

bottom 20% - 11.1%
next 20% - 9.4%
top 4% - 7.1%
top 1% - 5.1%

My proposal

bottom 20% - 4.5%
next 20% - 6.0%
top 4% - 9.3%
top 1% - 9.6%

My proposal produces the same amount of revenue as rates of 2015. Now you might want details and say "How?" How do I get to those rates?

My answer is - ignorance and apathy. That is, I don't know and I don't care.

The first simple step to doing something - decide you want to do it. Once you get the legislature on board, once they all take the "Koch pledge" then they can hammer out the details and they can make adjustments as time goes on.

Now, as I play Devil's Advocate. One might say the same for Trump. How will he get things done? How will he make America great? First we will do it by electing a great President - which is Trump. He will get things done the way he always gets things done - because he knows the art of the deal. The same way he built that park in New York after the government failed. The same way he won the Republican nomination with all the Republican establishment and the liberal media against him. The same way he became a billionaire, because he knows how to win.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Many really have no clue what they are supporting.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

Other than him being a blatant racist, sexist, bigot; I'm not one hundred percent sure what else I am opposing. Then again, I don't need any more.

Love the knee under the table.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. Of course he will; but, I suspect right around, or by, the millionth dodge ...
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

light bulbs will blaze. At least that's my hope, as even the media will not be able to ignore it ... though they have done a pretty good job to this point.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
37. Likely nothing will change the mind of a Trump supporter
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

However, the people observing will realize how empty his promises and slogans are.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
46. Or Trump will say that he can't reveal his plans
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

Because that would tip off the forces of evil who don't want America to be great again. Which should be enough for folks like Mr. Restaurant Shouter to go out and try their hand at beating up any forces of evil they see.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
23. If this election turns into a personality/"character" competition...
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

we could be in trouble.

If we deal with issues, we'll wipe up the floor with Trump. "How" is an effective way to make him bluster and blubber about issues, of which he has no clues.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
41. And we were in a section of Tucson ...
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:39 PM
May 2016

That elected Capt'n "Let's sell the Grand Canyon to private interests and recruit a nuclear waste dump" Melvin" ... twice!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
44. Yes ... Sadly, we do ...
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:59 PM
May 2016

Shortly, after I arrived in Arizona, you would say, "It's not bad ... I'm just careful to look out for the fools and the snakes, so you know I'm stepping light cuz there are a bunch of each."

Now ... I'm like, "Damn the snakes."

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
29. A thousand times this! How? How? How?
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

I'd ask it of everybody. I'd want clear ideas and answers from anyone promising anything.

Yes, it should be our battle cry, and we should accept no bullshit.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
33. Exactly how to deal with a Sanders supporter.
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

Let their rage and crazy spill out all over and discredit them entirely.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
38. Speaking of oneself in 3rd person?
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

Another classic sign of narcissism is speaking about oneself in 3rd person.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. Did I mention that the couple that did the "How" thing, were gay?
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

I'll bet the trump guy thought he was going to be able to score some points with the "he'll let you pee in peace" thing, cuz he know he wasn't going to get anywhere with me ... despite the fact that Fred "The Hammer" Williamson was one of his recent opening acts.

(Note to readers: Yes ... I know gay =/= transgendered ... but I doubt the trump guy does.)

Warpy

(111,282 posts)
45. At least he wasn't drunk enough to walk into a real buzzsaw
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

which is what I expect would have been the case, squeezed knee or not, had he worked his way completely down the line.

And yes, that three letter word is devastating, and not only to Drumpf and his merry band of low level drunken blowhards. Most politicians, and I include both Democratic frontrunners, would be reduced to sputtering by that little word.

I do hope the blowhard at the bar retreated somewhere to sleep it off and you enjoyed your dinner.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. LOL ...
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016
I do hope the blowhard at the bar retreated somewhere to sleep it off and you enjoyed your dinner.


I'm still getting used to this Plant-based/Vegan cuisine that Mrs. 1SBM has us on. But, over the last 2 months, I have lost 15 lbs.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
49. as a florida liberal in a a pit fo trump
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:43 PM
May 2016

I am so taking notes and preparing this tool

Of course, we could take a page from the WWE (you know, the place Trump wrestled in) and say How? the way stone cold steve austin said "what?"

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
62. Yeah
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

Well.. how old is this post?

1StrongBlackMan: You just made it, idiot.

Wrong, if I just made it, then how could it turn into a crowd laughing and jeering at you?

1StrongBlackMan: Wait what, that doesn't make any sense!

Just then a crowd spontaneously appeared and everyone started alternatively laughing at 1StrongBlackMan and clapping at nothing but with a terrifying intensity. An eagle named "good posting" began to attack his face and eyes, driving him from the room.

That room's name? Albert Einstein.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
63. Perhaps English is not your first language ...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:27 AM
May 2016

Last edited Thu May 5, 2016, 10:23 AM - Edit history (1)

maybe, the alcohol has taken over your keyboard; but, I have no idea what you are attempting to communicate.

On edit ... I'll just go with screw you, and keep it moving.

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
60. Sorry
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:46 PM
May 2016

He even had the "everyone stands up and cheers/laughs" bit, it is fairly transparent to anyone that has spent about 2 minutes on Tumblr.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
52. None of his supporters can articulate why they support that clown
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:00 PM
May 2016

other than to spew nonsense about his business experience

KT2000

(20,584 posts)
57. that is telling
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

the guy just repeated what trump says about himself. There is no thought process, just repetition - kinda like brainwashing results.

randr

(12,412 posts)
64. Clearly the missing part in all the MSMs' attempts to define Trump
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

Larry W. got it right the other night, "Hey Wolf, how about a follow up question?"
Just once I would like to see any reporter ask the pompous one to qualify any of his spewings and just ask the simple question you have raised, HOW?.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. There was a guy on Morning Joe this morning making the same point ...
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

and Cheerleaders Joe and Mika, got defensive, saying "{something to the effect of} we spent considerable time asking him 'How?', but he just kept talking around the question."

The guest offered, they should have pointed out ... STATED ... that he didn't answer the question and that all he did was talk around it.

I wish the media would take their role seriously and answer the question, once, twice, and then say, "We asked you 'How" three times, and you have yet to answer the question. We'll ask you one more time, and if you talk around the question again, no more coverage for you."

I know that won't happen ... But a Brother can still dream.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
65. His supporters are all on what appears to be
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

a cocaine or methamphetamine rush. Tweaking on Trump as it were. In their own little world.

They have an entire vocabulary surrounding their "man" and appear to just want the nation to install Trump and dispense with the pesky election already.

It's Waaaaaaay early in the game, as veteran election watchers will verify. Anything can happen from now to November, but the poor sots who are addicted to The Donald are so deluded by their "drug" they sound like a bunch of mean frat boys, and not like adults deciding the leader of the US. They are so pathetic, I feel sorry for all of them, truly. It's gotta HURT to be that stupid.

Some of the comments I read by Donald supporters betray their complete lack of concern for the future, but they are high-fiving each other today like they have REALLY accomplished something. You have to feel sorry for these deluded people, and they ARE highly deluded.

Thanks for this anecdote. It made me feel good to read your words.
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
69. It cracked me up that Mrs. 1SBM knows this side if you so well
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

I adore the message of her gentle knee squeeze.

I love that you heed her gentle nudge

Not surprised it is part of your relationship.





malthaussen

(17,205 posts)
71. It's a fair question.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

But ultimately, the answer is simply "by saying it is so." It is the "Mission Accomplished" mentality. Those who look to the Leader (or the Expert) to tell them what to think are not likely to dispute anything he says. And after all, the concept of making America "Great Again" presupposes both a) that it once was great, and b) that it is not so now. Asking how that will be accomplished is equivalent to asking how we will know when we "win" the War on Terrorism, or Drugs, or the crusade of your choice.

-- Mal

yuiyoshida

(41,833 posts)
73. I sometimes miss the idea of going out for dinner, I rarely do it these days
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

and besides in my city, most places deliver food to your door. I would rather sit at home and eat fine Restaurant food than go out these days, and have to encounter such kinds of odd people in a Restaurant..

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