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UTUSN

(70,715 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:41 PM May 2016

Say the Senate Repukes suddenly decide to put GARLAND on SCotUS. A sign DRUMPF loses?

The prognostications now are too early and subject to drastic change by Election Day. How much time would it take to push it through if they suddenly decided GARLAND was the best they could do (meaning DRUMPF losing). They're gone in August, no? Would they wait till Sep-Oct? Or after November when the results are totally known.

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The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
1. A sign that they think he will lose or that the position is hurting them
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:49 PM
May 2016

or both.

I think Trump is going to lose. But that doesn't make me right. Reagan was this far behind Jimmy Carter in 1980 and I thought nobody sane would elect Reagan.

This isn't 1980. Clinton is not an incumbant and the economy is not in the tank, and Trump does not come off as a sincere patriot to the people who switch. But I do not predict the future. (Except I am winning a bet placed last October that Trump would get the nomination. Even then I knew the Republicans will fall for his crap.)

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
2. Garland will be confirmed in the lame duck after Hillary wins in November.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

I think it's a pretty safe bet. The only wrinkle would be if Senate Democrats decide to deny cloture to allow Clinton to make a more progressive nomination and deny the Republicans a get out of jail free card before they surrender the majority.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
4. Garland has as good a resume and track record as any SCOTUS appointee
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:33 PM
May 2016

ever, and I think that it is unlikely that a Democrat would withdraw the nomination. There is a remote chance that Clinton would not renew it, but I doubt it.

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
5. Even supposing that is true, a candidate with a similar resume but 20 years younger
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:37 PM
May 2016

would be a considerable improvement.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
6. That is my reservation.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:43 PM
May 2016

He's too old, and I don't want my children to be where I am today 20 years down the road.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
8. It is very unlikely that either Obama or Clinton would pull
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:08 AM
May 2016

him for this reason, even if it were not public. Clinton is older than that, and Obama sent him up this hill in the first place. While Clinton probably wants someone with a proven civil rights record, she is liberal to centrist, and isn't going to start an term by pulling left. That tends to be towards the end of the term. I'm all for someone younger and more liberal too, I'm just second guessing what they might do down the road.

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
9. If the seat remains vacant when Clinton takes office, I don't think she will feel obligated
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:23 AM
May 2016

to renominate Garland. She will have a free hand.

I think the most likely outcome is that Garland is confirmed in the lame duck, I was just musing about the historic irony if Democrats were frustrate them by denying cloture to push the vacancy into January.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
10. Clinton has spent a career doing the "grown up" thing
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:00 AM
May 2016

as have the mainstream Democrats for the past 80 years. I'd be surprised if she doesn't stick with Garland as he has been a team player.

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
11. I agree, it really would not surprise me to see her take that course.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016

It also wouldn't surprise me to see Obama publicly and privately encourage her to nominate her own choice should the vacancy remain past Inauguration Day.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
12. Well, it's possible, but Obama is loyal to his people, and Garland is his
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:22 AM
May 2016

sacrificial lamb. And he also has spent a career doing the grown up thing. He's also more conservative than Clinton, which explains the pick in the first place. Not who I would have nominated, but I can appreciate it as a masterful stroke of politics.

One of the things that activists have been disappointed in is that the elected democrats have rarely dished out payback to the republicans for their shitheel attitude and actions. It pisses me off, and the people further to my left (and there are a lot of them) seem steamed about it too. But my own personal desires aren't necessarily good government or good politics. I disagree on a number of things and go along with them.

Hekate

(90,727 posts)
7. Garland is a good choice with a decent resume, but what has been absolutely tasty...
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:56 PM
May 2016

....is to watch the GOP tie themselves in knots because Cool Hand Obama is messing with their heads. Any way you look at it they lose.

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