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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsApparently six assistant coaches knew that Sandusky was abusing boys
What's more - apparently he was abusing boys from the 1970s
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sandusky-case-bombshell-did-6-penn-state-coaches-witness-abuse-n569526
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As many as six assistant coaches at Penn State witnessed "inappropriate behavior" between Jerry Sandusky and boys, stretching as far back as the 1970s, NBC News has learned.
It is unclear if any of the men reported what they saw to higher-ups at Penn State before the sex-abuse scandal erupted in 2011.
The information, which comes from court documents and multiple sources with direct knowledge of legal proceedings, raises new questions about how long the abuse went on, why no one stopped it and whether there could be even more victims than previously known.
But sources told NBC News that one former Penn State assistant coach witnessed an incident in the late 1970s. Three other coaches who have gone on to work in the NFL and at Division I colleges allegedly saw inappropriate conduct between Sandusky and boys in the early and mid-1990s.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)If I need a sarcasm tag, the reader needs mental help.
They were probably too comfortable with their positions. Seems to be the overriding cause of evil, or at least one of the biggest.
brush
(53,871 posts)Last edited Sat May 7, 2016, 08:50 PM - Edit history (1)
He enabled Sandusky to rape at-risk youth for decades because he didn't want his precious football program damaged at least that the kindest explanation that come out.
I could be wrong about this but I think the more likely reason is the "at-risk youth" could mean black boys and he didn't care. I followed the story in 2011 and it came out that some of the boys were black. He let a rapist keep raping.
All he had to do back in the 70s when he first found out was to call the cops.
He wouldn't have been the one damaged, or at lease force him to resign "to spend more time with his family" as these things are often handled.
He did neither until he was forced to 4 decades later in 2011.
No excuse. They need to take his wins away again and give that program the death penalty like the NCAA did to SMU for a whole lot less.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...stand any longer. I agree completely.
Didn't want his program damaged. Comfort. I'd say they're pretty close, but others may disagree (and I'm totally fine with that! )
Beowulf
(761 posts)and its population is mostly white. It is northern Appalachia. At risk children in this part of Pennsylvania are mostly white and poor. I don't think race had much to do with Paterno's despicable lack of a response.
brush
(53,871 posts)Beowulf
(761 posts)I just don't think "at risk" is code for black and I don't think Paterno's cover up was race related. He was phobic of anything that could reflect poorly on his football program.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Paterno could have just run the guy off, and told him to never come back. That was probably the way these matters were usually handled back then. A tough guy like him shouldn't have even needed help with that task.
This guy was just an assistant...people who come and go to different programs all the time. What made Sandusky so irreplaceable to that football program? Why was he protected? For decades, even?
6chars
(3,967 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)brush
(53,871 posts)Early on in the 70s Sandusky was as you say, just a young assistant who could have been easily dismissed. But later on he rose in the coaching hierarchy and became heir apparent to succeed Paterno (wonder what's up with that), then something happened in the 90s and he left the coaching ranks (seems he was forced out, but not really) and started his own foundation, Second Mile, to help at-risk boys, which gave him even more access to boys as he still had the run of the athletic facilities at the university.
When this story broke in 2011 there were hints of big university boosters maybe being supplied with boys by Sandusky but that story lasted about a minute before it was quashed and nothing was ever mentioned again about it to this day.
Whatever happened, Paterno never reported Sandusky even though there were several incidents of him sexually molesting boys that were stumbled upon by other coaches. Who knows what Sandusky had on Paterno but he didn't go to authorities until the high profile 2011 incident.
Kber
(5,043 posts)They went to him after an assistant coach / grad student seemed like he was too stupid and upset to keep quiet.
brush
(53,871 posts)But didn't that force Paterno to finally go to the athletic director, granted, not the police but to a higher up?
Kber
(5,043 posts)Young coach was very upset. Paterno had to shut him up by promising to "do something". Which really meant perpetuating the coverup.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)It means boys from broken homes, generally, or those with developmental issues.
brush
(53,871 posts)Orrex
(63,224 posts)There's no way that those in power were unaware of it.
brush
(53,871 posts)Do you actually mean it's been well known for decades?
The specific details weren't clear, of course, but Sandusky's been seen as a particular species of creep for ages, and Paterno had a long history of shielding his team from unwelcome attention.
brer cat
(24,606 posts)or women stand in the way of the game, yanno. Got to have the right priorities.
just in case.
malaise
(269,172 posts)for many persons. Little else matters
meow2u3
(24,773 posts)She ran afoul of the Old Boys' Network. Those perjury and obstruction of justice charges are sheer retaliation. If those repuke prosecutors were honest, they'd charge her with obstruction of a goddamn coverup!
She had no business blowing the whistle on any Penn State football coaches, even if they molested kids. Football is far more important then the lives of children.
MH1
(17,600 posts)I'll admit I haven't dug deep into the facts but what you said sure rings likely to me.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)A rape victim was demonized for "ruining the life" of their high school football hero.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)spanone
(135,880 posts)Iggo
(47,568 posts)Fucking scum.
malaise
(269,172 posts)while they don't have a clue about the state of their children's schools or anything else that's going on in every sphere.
Don't you dare fugg with their escape hatch.
Iggo
(47,568 posts)But it's just a game.
And none of those stats mean shit against the fact that children were being raped.
And on top of that, the adults who knew about it decided that protecting the rapist and the reputation of a football program is better than protecting the victims of rape.
malaise
(269,172 posts)Iggo
(47,568 posts)That two guys knew...the one who did it and the one who hid it...and they kept it a secret, THAT I can wrap my brain around.
But that another guy knew.
And another guy.
And another guy.
And another guy.
And another guy.
And another guy.
All those motherfuckers knew and not one of them called the cops.
Because football.
malaise
(269,172 posts)and we can bet there are several similar rape clubs called charities
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)explanation I can come up with.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)Paterno trained Sandusky and most of the guys who are now claimed to have known and participated in the cover-up. Even though no charges were made against him past the cover up, he is still the central figure in the whole sordid mess.
Perhaps Paterno's training went farther than anyone thought.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)malaise
(269,172 posts)Some of those kids stayed in her home
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)And the reason why "the abuse went on for so long" and "why no one stopped it" was because Paterno wasn't interested in committing career suicide.
rocktivity
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)malaise
(269,172 posts)and he wasn't the only one
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)"Former Philadelphia Eagles Coach, Dick Vermeil, an honorary Second Mile Foundation board member is said to have commented Philadelphia is the city of brotherly love, but Sandusky forgot that you have to be of age and a willing party or its child abuse and/or rape. "
malaise
(269,172 posts)I'll never understand how this went on for so long
downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Criminal Charges by trial.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)They should try him again for additional charges and keep his disgusting ass in prison for his entire life.
malaise
(269,172 posts)He disgusts me
brush
(53,871 posts)SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)... by a PSU insurer:
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
malaise
(269,172 posts)Just watch
lindysalsagal
(20,733 posts)There was no such law and no protection for whistle blowers back then.
Laws matter. That's the only way to change things.
Poor kids. At least he's finally in jail.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)To cover most of this crap:
ExpressO (2012)
Leonard G Brown , III
The first states passed laws in 1963, following the publishing of a seminal article titled, The Battered Child Syndrome. By 1967, all fifty states had passed some form of mandatory reporting law. The federal governments first major foray into the area of child abuse prevention occurred on January 31, 1974, when Congress enacted the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA). CAPTA has no federal mandatory reporting provision, but rather requires states to pass their own mandatory reporting provisions in order to receive federal grants.
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The findings of abuse at State College, Pennsylvania and within the Archdiocese of Philadelphia have renewed interest in Pennsylvanias mandatory reporting laws. Pennsylvania enacted its first law mandating that certain people report suspected abuse of children in 1963. Since this first mandatory reporting law, the law has been amended several times, most notably in 1975 . The first state laws on mandatory reporting of child abuse came as a direct response to a call to action from the media and interest groups. This trend remained clear as both congress and state legislatures crafted and amended laws to prevent child abuse throughout history. Wanting to protect their children, each of the fifty states tailored unique mandatory reporting laws. Some mandated large numbers of people report abuse and enacted strict penalties for failure to do so, while other states only required specific groups of professionals to report and had lenient or no statutory penalties for failure to report.
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Two observations are worth noting about Pennsylvanias 1963 mandatory reporting law. First, the categories enumerated by the law as mandatory reporters are fairly sparse. Following the model statutes recommendation, as
mentioned above, Pennsylvania simply listed medical professionals as
mandatory reporters. It was not alone in doing so; twenty-two other states
enumerated only medical professionals in their first mandatory reporting
law.
http://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3262&context=vlr
Emphasis added by me.
This is an excellent report with a comprehensive history of mandatory reporting laws in light of the Sandusky conviction.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Born Gerald Arthur Sandusky
January 26, 1944 (age 72)
Washington, Pennsylvania
Said he never dated, was a studious loner in high school.
Most likely he was "trained" in some manner earlier, and didn't just suddenly start this in his 30's.
So there is probably a long chain of men that might have been involved.
Same with Hastert, the longest serving ReTHUG Speaker of then House
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)up as a spontaneous moment
mercuryblues
(14,539 posts)was at Penn State in one capacity or another for 40 years. As early as the 70's it was known that he is a child rapist and nothing was done. For at least 30 years he had access to young boys. There are more victims out there.
BootinUp
(47,188 posts)this country is full of people with no balls to speak out.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)stating that they were "Just horsing around"
liberalla
(9,261 posts)How those boys must have felt... No one listened, no one helped them.
Being told they were 'lucky' to be singled out and get so much attention and stuff from the foundation etc.
and that wife of his...
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)They are all enablers and share guilt....including Paterno.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Those kind of secrets just don't stay under wraps when that many know.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)contributed to this conversation and to this subject.
I believe it is painful for most all of us here at DU.
Especially more for survivors of abuse.
Thank you.
Ms 7wo7rees
Really hard to believe this went on for so long.
Heartbreaking.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I went HAM last time on Paterno and the whole lot.
Burn the damn football complex to the ground.
And yes, if that happened at Clemson, I would be heartbroken but they would hear it from me forever. I would want our fb complex razed and the ground salted. I would want a huge sign put up that says "YOU DON't MESS WITH KIDS! EVER!"