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malaise

(269,172 posts)
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:28 PM May 2016

Apparently six assistant coaches knew that Sandusky was abusing boys

What's more - apparently he was abusing boys from the 1970s

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sandusky-case-bombshell-did-6-penn-state-coaches-witness-abuse-n569526
<snip>
As many as six assistant coaches at Penn State witnessed "inappropriate behavior" between Jerry Sandusky and boys, stretching as far back as the 1970s, NBC News has learned.

It is unclear if any of the men reported what they saw to higher-ups at Penn State before the sex-abuse scandal erupted in 2011.

The information, which comes from court documents and multiple sources with direct knowledge of legal proceedings, raises new questions about how long the abuse went on, why no one stopped it and whether there could be even more victims than previously known.

But sources told NBC News that one former Penn State assistant coach witnessed an incident in the late 1970s. Three other coaches — who have gone on to work in the NFL and at Division I colleges — allegedly saw inappropriate conduct between Sandusky and boys in the early and mid-1990s.

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Apparently six assistant coaches knew that Sandusky was abusing boys (Original Post) malaise May 2016 OP
Oh come on, it was just boys. They were likely privileged or something. Shandris May 2016 #1
Seems Paterno was told about it way back in the 70s brush May 2016 #3
Yeah, yeah they do. There's simply no way to let a name synonymous with that abuse... Shandris May 2016 #5
Central Pennsylvania has a lot of systemic poverty Beowulf May 2016 #12
Maybe not, but I followed the story in 2011 and some of the kids were black brush May 2016 #50
Oh, I don't dispute that some of the victims were black. Beowulf May 2016 #55
There's still something fishy Cracklin Charlie May 2016 #13
what are you suggesting? 6chars May 2016 #37
Paterno was in on the whole sordid affair. nt 7wo7rees May 2016 #59
That does raise suspicions. brush May 2016 #48
I don't think paterno ever went to the authorities. Kber May 2016 #65
Yeah, I remember that, the red headed ass't coach. brush May 2016 #66
Yes. I remember it that way too. Kber May 2016 #67
"at risk" doesn't mean black AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #18
Many were black brush May 2016 #47
Disgustingly, this has been a well known secret in SC for decades Orrex May 2016 #2
What do you mean "SC"? It was at Penn State. brush May 2016 #4
State College. Orrex May 2016 #6
Okay, thanks. brush May 2016 #7
Yes Orrex May 2016 #11
Can't let young boys brer cat May 2016 #8
No sport is a serious opiate malaise May 2016 #17
That's what got AG Kathleen Kane in trouble meow2u3 May 2016 #21
Yes, I tend to think that also. MH1 May 2016 #35
See Steubenville, OH. Odin2005 May 2016 #27
Winning is everything. Disgusting. eom guillaumeb May 2016 #9
grrrrr..... spanone May 2016 #10
Football is more important to these people than preventing the rape of children. Iggo May 2016 #14
Well a lot more men and some women can reel off statistics from football malaise May 2016 #16
Me included. Iggo May 2016 #30
So can I (not for American football) but we know the stats that affect our lives as well malaise May 2016 #31
It just kills me. Iggo May 2016 #39
Way more knew malaise May 2016 #42
K&R, finally, a 5th rec for publicity Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #15
Is it possible Paterno may have been involved? Only 7wo7rees May 2016 #19
That's what I keep coming back to - they were his proteges csziggy May 2016 #56
Of course they did Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #20
His wife knew and must share some responsibility. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #22
She more than knew malaise May 2016 #25
Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity May 2016 #23
Was sandusky runnung a boys sex club with his Charity? Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #24
Yep malaise May 2016 #33
This little tidbit... Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #38
Oh My malaise May 2016 #43
... shenmue May 2016 #26
if it can be proven that each of the six stonewalled, then each should be let go immediately or face downeastdaniel May 2016 #28
Isn't Sandusky trying to get his sentence reduced? WhiteTara May 2016 #29
That's why all of this is coming out malaise May 2016 #32
He might be threatening to out all the others that knew if they don't let him out. brush May 2016 #49
Paterno knew as early as '76, reported last week ... SomeGuyInEagan May 2016 #34
Penn State will pay millions malaise May 2016 #36
I'm a mandated reporter, and the law protects us if we report Any kind of abuse, even verbal. lindysalsagal May 2016 #40
It seems PA passed their mandatory reporting laws early enough csziggy May 2016 #58
It is likely that anyone molesting boys has done "it" their entire life. jtuck004 May 2016 #41
Agreed malaise May 2016 #45
Absolutely. n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #46
Agree we just know about the era he got caught for. This behavior doesn't just go away or come Person 2713 May 2016 #63
Sandusky mercuryblues May 2016 #44
It amazes me what people will do to protect their job BootinUp May 2016 #51
I remember JoePA... MrWendel May 2016 #52
This stuff just sickens... I feel it in my gut. liberalla May 2016 #53
Many knew this was going on for a long time and said nothing davidn3600 May 2016 #54
If six people knew about it, everyone knew about it Major Nikon May 2016 #57
Malaise, thank you for this post and for everything you have 7wo7rees May 2016 #60
I'm not gonna get started. Are_grits_groceries May 2016 #61
Wow. That was intense. Thks grits. 7wo7rees May 2016 #62
+1,000 malaise May 2016 #64
 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
1. Oh come on, it was just boys. They were likely privileged or something.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:34 PM
May 2016

If I need a sarcasm tag, the reader needs mental help.

They were probably too comfortable with their positions. Seems to be the overriding cause of evil, or at least one of the biggest.

brush

(53,871 posts)
3. Seems Paterno was told about it way back in the 70s
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sat May 7, 2016, 08:50 PM - Edit history (1)

He enabled Sandusky to rape at-risk youth for decades because he didn't want his precious football program damaged — at least that the kindest explanation that come out.

I could be wrong about this but I think the more likely reason is the "at-risk youth" could mean black boys and he didn't care. I followed the story in 2011 and it came out that some of the boys were black. He let a rapist keep raping.

All he had to do back in the 70s when he first found out was to call the cops.

He wouldn't have been the one damaged, or at lease force him to resign "to spend more time with his family" as these things are often handled.

He did neither until he was forced to 4 decades later in 2011.

No excuse. They need to take his wins away again and give that program the death penalty like the NCAA did to SMU for a whole lot less.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
5. Yeah, yeah they do. There's simply no way to let a name synonymous with that abuse...
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

...stand any longer. I agree completely.

Didn't want his program damaged. Comfort. I'd say they're pretty close, but others may disagree (and I'm totally fine with that! )

Beowulf

(761 posts)
12. Central Pennsylvania has a lot of systemic poverty
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

and its population is mostly white. It is northern Appalachia. At risk children in this part of Pennsylvania are mostly white and poor. I don't think race had much to do with Paterno's despicable lack of a response.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
55. Oh, I don't dispute that some of the victims were black.
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:47 PM
May 2016

I just don't think "at risk" is code for black and I don't think Paterno's cover up was race related. He was phobic of anything that could reflect poorly on his football program.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
13. There's still something fishy
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

Paterno could have just run the guy off, and told him to never come back. That was probably the way these matters were usually handled back then. A tough guy like him shouldn't have even needed help with that task.

This guy was just an assistant...people who come and go to different programs all the time. What made Sandusky so irreplaceable to that football program? Why was he protected? For decades, even?

brush

(53,871 posts)
48. That does raise suspicions.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

Early on in the 70s Sandusky was as you say, just a young assistant who could have been easily dismissed. But later on he rose in the coaching hierarchy and became heir apparent to succeed Paterno (wonder what's up with that), then something happened in the 90s and he left the coaching ranks (seems he was forced out, but not really) and started his own foundation, Second Mile, to help at-risk boys, which gave him even more access to boys as he still had the run of the athletic facilities at the university.

When this story broke in 2011 there were hints of big university boosters maybe being supplied with boys by Sandusky but that story lasted about a minute before it was quashed and nothing was ever mentioned again about it to this day.

Whatever happened, Paterno never reported Sandusky even though there were several incidents of him sexually molesting boys that were stumbled upon by other coaches. Who knows what Sandusky had on Paterno but he didn't go to authorities until the high profile 2011 incident.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
65. I don't think paterno ever went to the authorities.
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

They went to him after an assistant coach / grad student seemed like he was too stupid and upset to keep quiet.

brush

(53,871 posts)
66. Yeah, I remember that, the red headed ass't coach.
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

But didn't that force Paterno to finally go to the athletic director, granted, not the police but to a higher up?

Kber

(5,043 posts)
67. Yes. I remember it that way too.
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

Young coach was very upset. Paterno had to shut him up by promising to "do something". Which really meant perpetuating the coverup.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
18. "at risk" doesn't mean black
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

It means boys from broken homes, generally, or those with developmental issues.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
2. Disgustingly, this has been a well known secret in SC for decades
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016

There's no way that those in power were unaware of it.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
11. Yes
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

The specific details weren't clear, of course, but Sandusky's been seen as a particular species of creep for ages, and Paterno had a long history of shielding his team from unwelcome attention.

brer cat

(24,606 posts)
8. Can't let young boys
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

or women stand in the way of the game, yanno. Got to have the right priorities.


just in case.

meow2u3

(24,773 posts)
21. That's what got AG Kathleen Kane in trouble
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

She ran afoul of the Old Boys' Network. Those perjury and obstruction of justice charges are sheer retaliation. If those repuke prosecutors were honest, they'd charge her with obstruction of a goddamn coverup!

She had no business blowing the whistle on any Penn State football coaches, even if they molested kids. Football is far more important then the lives of children.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
35. Yes, I tend to think that also.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

I'll admit I haven't dug deep into the facts but what you said sure rings likely to me.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
27. See Steubenville, OH.
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

A rape victim was demonized for "ruining the life" of their high school football hero.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
16. Well a lot more men and some women can reel off statistics from football
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

while they don't have a clue about the state of their children's schools or anything else that's going on in every sphere.

Don't you dare fugg with their escape hatch.

Iggo

(47,568 posts)
30. Me included.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:08 PM
May 2016

But it's just a game.

And none of those stats mean shit against the fact that children were being raped.

And on top of that, the adults who knew about it decided that protecting the rapist and the reputation of a football program is better than protecting the victims of rape.

Iggo

(47,568 posts)
39. It just kills me.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

That two guys knew...the one who did it and the one who hid it...and they kept it a secret, THAT I can wrap my brain around.

But that another guy knew.

And another guy.

And another guy.

And another guy.

And another guy.

And another guy.

All those motherfuckers knew and not one of them called the cops.

Because football.



csziggy

(34,137 posts)
56. That's what I keep coming back to - they were his proteges
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:09 PM
May 2016

Paterno trained Sandusky and most of the guys who are now claimed to have known and participated in the cover-up. Even though no charges were made against him past the cover up, he is still the central figure in the whole sordid mess.

Perhaps Paterno's training went farther than anyone thought.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
23. Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

And the reason why "the abuse went on for so long" and "why no one stopped it" was because Paterno wasn't interested in committing career suicide.


rocktivity

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
38. This little tidbit...
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

"Former Philadelphia Eagles Coach, Dick Vermeil, an honorary Second Mile Foundation board member is said to have commented “Philadelphia is the city of brotherly love, but Sandusky forgot that you have to be of age and a willing party or it’s child abuse and/or rape.” "

downeastdaniel

(497 posts)
28. if it can be proven that each of the six stonewalled, then each should be let go immediately or face
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

Criminal Charges by trial.

WhiteTara

(29,722 posts)
29. Isn't Sandusky trying to get his sentence reduced?
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

They should try him again for additional charges and keep his disgusting ass in prison for his entire life.

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
40. I'm a mandated reporter, and the law protects us if we report Any kind of abuse, even verbal.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:46 PM
May 2016

There was no such law and no protection for whistle blowers back then.

Laws matter. That's the only way to change things.

Poor kids. At least he's finally in jail.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
58. It seems PA passed their mandatory reporting laws early enough
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

To cover most of this crap:

Mandatory Reporting of Abuse: A Historical Perspective on the Evolution of States’ Current Mandatory Reporting Laws with a Review of the Laws in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
ExpressO (2012)

Leonard G Brown , III

The first states passed laws in 1963, following the publishing of a seminal article titled, “The Battered Child Syndrome.” By 1967, all fifty states had passed some form of mandatory reporting law. The federal government’s first major foray into the area of child abuse prevention occurred on January 31, 1974, when Congress enacted the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (“CAPTA”). CAPTA has no federal mandatory reporting provision, but rather requires states to pass their own mandatory reporting provisions in order to receive federal grants.

<SNIP>

The findings of abuse at State College, Pennsylvania and within the Archdiocese of Philadelphia have renewed interest in Pennsylvania’s mandatory reporting laws. Pennsylvania enacted its first law mandating that certain people report suspected abuse of children in 1963. Since this first mandatory reporting law, the law has been amended several times, most notably in 1975 . The first state laws on mandatory reporting of child abuse came as a direct response to a call to action from the media and interest groups. This trend remained clear as both congress and state legislatures crafted and amended laws to prevent child abuse throughout history. Wanting to protect their children, each of the fifty states tailored unique mandatory reporting laws. Some mandated large numbers of people report abuse and enacted strict penalties for failure to do so, while other states only required specific groups of professionals to report and had lenient or no statutory penalties for failure to report.

<SNIP>

Two observations are worth noting about Pennsylvania’s 1963 mandatory reporting law. First, the categories enumerated by the law as mandatory reporters are fairly sparse. Following the model statute’s recommendation, as
mentioned above, Pennsylvania simply listed medical professionals as
mandatory reporters. It was not alone in doing so; twenty-two other states
enumerated only medical professionals in their first mandatory reporting
law.

http://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3262&context=vlr


Emphasis added by me.

This is an excellent report with a comprehensive history of mandatory reporting laws in light of the Sandusky conviction.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
41. It is likely that anyone molesting boys has done "it" their entire life.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

Born Gerald Arthur Sandusky
January 26, 1944 (age 72)
Washington, Pennsylvania

Said he never dated, was a studious loner in high school.

Most likely he was "trained" in some manner earlier, and didn't just suddenly start this in his 30's.

So there is probably a long chain of men that might have been involved.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
63. Agree we just know about the era he got caught for. This behavior doesn't just go away or come
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:04 AM
May 2016

up as a spontaneous moment

mercuryblues

(14,539 posts)
44. Sandusky
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

was at Penn State in one capacity or another for 40 years. As early as the 70's it was known that he is a child rapist and nothing was done. For at least 30 years he had access to young boys. There are more victims out there.

BootinUp

(47,188 posts)
51. It amazes me what people will do to protect their job
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

this country is full of people with no balls to speak out.

liberalla

(9,261 posts)
53. This stuff just sickens... I feel it in my gut.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

How those boys must have felt... No one listened, no one helped them.

Being told they were 'lucky' to be singled out and get so much attention and stuff from the foundation etc.

and that wife of his...

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
54. Many knew this was going on for a long time and said nothing
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

They are all enablers and share guilt....including Paterno.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
57. If six people knew about it, everyone knew about it
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

Those kind of secrets just don't stay under wraps when that many know.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
60. Malaise, thank you for this post and for everything you have
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:00 PM
May 2016

contributed to this conversation and to this subject.

I believe it is painful for most all of us here at DU.
Especially more for survivors of abuse.

Thank you.

Ms 7wo7rees

Really hard to believe this went on for so long.

Heartbreaking.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
61. I'm not gonna get started.
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:51 PM
May 2016

I went HAM last time on Paterno and the whole lot.
Burn the damn football complex to the ground.
And yes, if that happened at Clemson, I would be heartbroken but they would hear it from me forever. I would want our fb complex razed and the ground salted. I would want a huge sign put up that says "YOU DON't MESS WITH KIDS! EVER!"

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