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rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:19 PM May 2016

Trump has already damaged our economy

For a presumptuous presidential candidate to suggest that the United States might default on it debt, and negotiate a "haircut" for the bondholders, is itself damaging, even if he is defeated in the GE.

Krugman has the basic idea. But I don't think he goes far enough. If US debt is not a safe asset, then there is no safe asset -- and a world without a safe asset is one that we have not experienced since sometime in the 1700s. If he were to go forward with it, a worldwide economic collapse that would make 1929 look small is a real possibility. Even to bring this possibility into a presidential campaign in this country will create uncertainty and risk that can to major harm to our economy, and others.

By the way -- a lot of US debt is held by the Social Security system, so a "haircut" on US debt would put SSI in real danger of insolvency, far more than it is now. And a lot is held by the FED, which -- I'm pretty sure -- could not even negotiate about a "haircut" without explicit authorization by Congress. Fat chance. And it's pretty clear that The Donald doesn't know any of this.

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Trump has already damaged our economy (Original Post) rogerashton May 2016 OP
The stockholders in the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned banks StarTrombone May 2016 #1
Exactly scscholar May 2016 #2
Damn straight StarTrombone May 2016 #3
So, are you saying you'd vote for him if he promises to do that? MH1 May 2016 #4
No. I'm saying if he was to get elected StarTrombone May 2016 #5
The FED is established by an act of Congress rogerashton May 2016 #6
And just who, independent of the executive branch, makes those appointments? StarTrombone May 2016 #7
Roger - thanks for posting JPZenger May 2016 #9
Yes, thanks, Roger. You remind me that in 2008 Hortensis May 2016 #11
Libertarian conspiracy horseshit. Odin2005 May 2016 #8
Trump thinks the US is a big business Renew Deal May 2016 #10
 

StarTrombone

(188 posts)
1. The stockholders in the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned banks
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

It's a privately owned system
It isn't a government agency
The Fed does not answer to congress
And it's part of the problem
I would venture to say that Trump is well aware of it

 

StarTrombone

(188 posts)
5. No. I'm saying if he was to get elected
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

and does anything to corral the Fed I'd support that

You understand the difference?

You can be damn sure Hillary won't

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
6. The FED is established by an act of Congress
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

and that act makes it independent of the executive branch. The governors and executives are politically appointed. Its profits revert to the federal government. It is "privately owned" in the same sense that Trump is a successful businessman. This response is a bit of radical-rightwing baloney. The follow-ups are pretty much the same.

 

StarTrombone

(188 posts)
7. And just who, independent of the executive branch, makes those appointments?
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

Isn't that interesting

Right-wing baloney my ass

#auditthefed

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
9. Roger - thanks for posting
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

The Federal Reserve is not a grand conspiracy.

In any case, Trump's rise has caused great uncertainty in international financial markets. Investors hate uncertainty, and their caution hurts economic stability and growth.

If Trump gets into a trade war with China, who will be the biggest losers? Possibly the Walton Family. I wouldn't be surprised if they started secretly running pro-Hillary ads.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Yes, thanks, Roger. You remind me that in 2008
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

an alarmed Charles Koch expediently abandoned his normally profitable "libertarian" principles to quietly support the government bailout and prevent his investments from collapsing.

The loose Trump flywheel's entirely likely to do very widespread damage, so it wouldn't be a bit surprising if, for instance, Koch very quietly redirected his manipulations also. No one believes he would hire a Democratic candidate to process time cards at Georgia-Pacific, much less want one for president, but that's, of course, beside the point.

Renew Deal

(81,881 posts)
10. Trump thinks the US is a big business
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

His solution makes sense in the corporate world.

I don't know how the republicans can keep a leash on him if he wins. He'd be Kim Jong Un with an army.

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