Re-educate.

key their cars and spray paint racially derogatory insults on their walls, you can't compete with their hate. Theirs is 100% pure. Best to use that energy constructively.

is that Liberals are incapable of 100% hate, making it faux hate. Unless you're willing to go that extra mile, you'll always lose playing on their turf.

like it's a bad thing. Like not going all in on hate is, well, liberal.

If I didn't know better I'd say your slip is showing.

on edit: I hate the selfishness of the so called conservative agenda. Trying to sell and legitimize selfishness, cruelty and hate as sensible policy while clearly seeing the devastating social effects of that policy is despicable and worthy of hatred.

And you will ask if I would deny people human rights based on their political and policy positions? The answer is no. But I can still hate and despise their positions.

I, too, hate and despise their 'positions'. They, on the other hand, hate and despise our positions and wouldn't give a rat's ass if you were lying at their feet, dying after being hit by a car.

I can understand the "don't hate" sentiment - it's a worthless emotion, and frankly it's too intimate; hating someone is sort of like fucking them, and not being into bestiality, feeling like I fucked a Republican isn't high on my list.

But they're not going to listen. Period. Those who were willing to listen are already with us, what's left is a core of hateful sadist motherfuckers. I have better things to do than try to "connect" with people who very literally want me dead.

Do you understand?

its a losing strategy. The demographics are changing. The more people live in close proximity to each other, the more moderate they become. Those are the people to focus on. Fuch the wingers. They're gone already. They are despicable human beings... but I still want them to have affordable health care coverage, whereas they would be happy to see me die in a ditch. THAT is the difference. If you can't match that hate, its wasted energy.

we've been spending all these years trying to teach them how to NOT be carbuncles on the ass end of society. It hasn't worked. I've stopped trying, becuase I have better things to do with my time.

Neo-cons have no higher emotions nor higher reasoning abilities; these are called socio/psychopaths.

I need something to describe my feelings towards them.

I really hate what they have done and what they have planned to do. These are evil actions. Hurtful and petty, despicable actions to those who cannot defend themselves.

I can't do much about the pukes because I'm outnumbered and middle class.

But I hate them as much as anyone, anywhere in the world hates anybody.

you'd still want them to have access to affordable health care. That's the difference.

... but I'd also like to cause them to need it.

from a Socialist tree hugger

I want universal health care.

As policy, that's the only thing that makes sense.

But if I actually had the power to do so, I'd deny health care, welfare, social security, and even citizenship to those who have deliberately destroyed our country.

So no, if it were up to me, these fuckers would be destitute and helpless.

After all, that's what THEY want for ME...

Sorry

But the damage that selfish, shortsighted, greedy, mean-spirited people have wrought upon this country -- and the world! -- is incalculable.

I don't think they deserve forgiveness.

Especially since they aren't sorry for what they've done.

There is a lot of hate in this thread too. Hate is a very destructive emotion and it is practiced well by many right wingers. But I regret to see it practiced here as well.

And I would say that not all right wingers meet your description of "selfish, shortsighted, greedy, mean-spirited people" either. My parents are both conservatives and you couldn't meet nicer people. And they're not stupid either. Both are well educated. They do volunteer work and contribute to charity. They worked hard to put me through college. I disagree with their politics and yes they are pro life but that doesn't mean I don't love them.

They call themselves conservative Republicans. And as I said they are pro life. They also oppose gay marriage. They also oppose Obamacare. But they are good people. Every one of their children has turned out to be successful.

They can be kind, giving, make a great holiday meal...

But they don't want all the world's people to have the same rights (only the ones they approve of).

And they don't mind sending troops to kill in other countries because...well...those aren't Americans.

And they don't want the government using their tax money to help anyone (except maybe them), they want to be the only ones deciding who gets help and who can go screw themselves.

And they'd like to see a fair amount of theocratic lawmaking (to hell with the 1st Amendment!)

They are good people precisely to the extent that they do good things.

And they are terrible people precisely to the extent that they do right-wing things.

But you can't put them all in once box. My dad thought that Bush's war in Iraq was stupid. But of course other conservatives, probably most, approved of it.

That's true.

Almost no one would match a real definition of pure evil (or pure good, for that matter).

So when I say that I hate these people, I should probably clarify...

* I hate the outlook that defines right-wingism.
* I hate the fact that people will embrace that outlook.
* The more that an individual DOES embrace that outlook, the more I hate them personally.

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My family get-togethers usually consist of me going to some relative's house, being greeted cheerfully, responding in kind, eating a nice meal, then going home feeling guilty for fraternizing with the enemy (and also feeling bad about the fact that we have to BE enemies).

BUT: They really are willing to do all that damage to the country, to the world, to their fellow man, just because they can, and that cannot be overlooked.

I have many mock conversations with them (in their absence, of course) which always lead to me telling them my real opinion of their attitude, which would make any further contact impossible. So I'm always glad I DON'T tell them what I think. But that also means I'm not standing up for decency since I'm letting them think their attitudes are acceptable. I have sympathy with them as individuals, but no sympathy for the group they identify with, leading to greatly unpleasant internal conflict.

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Here's the point:

The right-wing is aggressive, damaging, always willing to press its advantage and the left is always trying to make peace with them -- which, in practical terms, means compromising away bedrock values.

I don't want to make those compromises and therefore they are my enemy and I am theirs. Even if we don't discuss it.

We should not compromise with the right. We should not seek peace with IT. And to the extent that people attach themselves to it, we should not seek peace with THEM.

At the one-on-one level, I don't hate my relatives they way I hate ... Rush Limbaugh, let's say ... but I DO hate, hate, motherfucking HATE Rush and his ilk.

And I hate others -- that is to say oppose them with all necessary ferocity, up to and including wishing them dead -- in proportion to their attachment to these awful policies.

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Shorter version: I can be as angry toward them as they are toward anyone. I think that's better than being nice. I think that's better than backing down.

(But it's true that I do keep it to myself quite often. Doing so is extremely practical. But it's a huge moral compromise and it hurts constantly.)

to lease a puh?

sound judgments.

Your position comes from the false belief that these people are the way they are out of ignorance, you are wrong. They are ignorant, that is true, but they are ignorant because they actively avoid and discount knowledge. Any fact that comes their way that contradicts their insanity is rejected, and so we see that they suppress curiosity and education and instead opt to insulate themselves from knowing.

They are they way they are because that's how they want to be, and you can't educate that.

It would be adolescent to give up hope.

Or perhaps you are these people?

Pretending that there is no understanding nor malice in these actions is not merely foolish, it is suicidal. These mean spirited mental cases have been steadily dividing and destroying this nation for generations, but you contend they just don't know it.

Now that's crazy.

True, some are completely gone but not ALL. As socialist liberals, our glasses should always be half full.

here and there, and maybe they will someday come to their senses, but they are not numerous enough to matter in the aggregate and modifying and compromising principles in the vain hope that they can be reasoned with has brought us down. We've alienated much of our base trying to coddle these miscreants at the cost of our health, our treasury, and our national character. The world hates us specifically because they believe these fools are representative of us all, and that's why we pursue the policies we do.

But hey, just keep pretending, I'm sure it will all work out in the end.

Psychological studies show that when a belief is fervently held, as their condemnation of abortion (without knowing the reality or facts), when facts are presented, these dumbasses hold on more tightly to their beliefs.

And hate is a VERY useful emotion. It can trigger enormous change. I'm sick of being caring and understanding toward people who have one goal: to obtain power. And they don't give a rat's ass about anybody or anything else.

And there will be no way to prevent it. That's my worry lately.

laugh at me when I say this, but the handwriting's been on the wall for some time. And way too many Americans have their heads stuck in the sand about what's going on. Hell, many of the Miss America contestants didn't even know who the VP of the country is. How stupid is that one, for example.

Why the Democrats have allowed the Republicans to own this "religion" argument. There are 10 commandments after all...of which thou shall not murder is only #6. Why not give them a dose of their own medicine? You could enrage Catholics by offering a bill to strictly enforce the 2nd commandment Thou hall not make graven images...nor bow down before them (think of all those statues of Mary people kneel before) The 4th commandment is Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy...that would close all business, including restaurants, theaters and malls...not to mention there would be no Sunday football nor any other sports played on Sunday. That would really hit republicans where they live, in their pocketbooks. #5 Honor thy father and thy mother would effectively end their attacks on Social Security and Medicare. #7 States thou shall not commit adultery....if we criminalize it, just think of how many republican congress critters we would lose #9 Thou shall not bear false witness (lie) if we criminalize that we would definitely be rid of a bunch of these jerks from both parties.

While I am not saying any of these laws should be passed, Democrats could have made strong arguments that taking just one commandment and glorifying it is neither Christian nor pleasing to the god they claim to worship.

Only if you are Jewish or a Protestant other than a Luthern.

The 6th commandment for Catholics and Lutherns provides "You shall not commit adultery."
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/10%20Commandments.htm

Major differences between the various versions can be seen by looking at the different versions for the 2nd commandment.
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/10%20Commandments.htm

[] Protestent version - "You shall not make unto you any graven images." (Not making graven images is important to protestants.)
[] Catholic (& Luthern) version - "You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain." (Graven images are apparently OK or not prohibited if they are the right kind.)
[] Jewish version - "You shall have no other gods but me."

When was the last time the republican party marched against the death penalty or against war?

A very few Christians who actually have consistency in their beliefs, yes. In large numbers, never.

I'd like to know, what they would have happen to the persons involved in the abortions they want to make illegal.

I fucking hate these people as well - they're not pro life if they want to bomb abortion clinics! Seriously - fuck them.

How the oh-so-patriotic right-to-lifers would react if Radical Islamic Terrorists started bombing abortion clinics in the United States (not that I condone such actions by ANYONE, you understand). I mean, it would present them with a real crisis of cognitive dissonance.

where is the ground game,I haven't seen it anywhere..

"Specifically, the omnibus bill would criminalize all abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, without exceptions for rape victims, the health of the woman or in cases where there is a severe fetal anomaly."

The reason any woman has an abortion after 20 weeks is because of the health of the woman or severe fetal anomaly.

No one gets a late term abortion for frivolous reasons. These lawmakers are cruel and f-ing ignorant.

Prick Snyder is one of the very worst, and the Kochroaches (DeVos variety) found under various rocks in this state are pernicious vermin.

I grew up in Michigan and miss it in many ways... but I hate much of what is going on in the state. I was in Michigan when women were self aborting; some dying... *time to stock up on Pennyroyal

I never thought I could hate, but I do... I hate what ignorant people are doing (and advocating to do) to my kid's future, the environment, women's rights... I hate the lies, the disrespect and the disregard for others... I truly understand your hate

They'd change their tune if they could.

They want to get one bill passed in a state that is NOT in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
And then get the bill signed into law by the rightwing Governor they currently have sitting in that office now.
Then have the law challenged in a federal appeals court where a rightwing majority control the court.
And then get the legal battle bounced up to the rightwing Supreme Court.
And have it approved by the majority of rightwing judges sitting on Roberts' Supreme Court.

It is so obvious that a blind man could see it.

Hate is just a feeling, the same as love, fear, anger and sadness are feelings. There's nothing necessarily good or bad about a feeling. They just are. If you try to pretend you don't have them, or try to will it away, that way leads to denial. And I've never seen anything good come from that.

So the question is, what do you do with hate if you've got it?

Do you turn it inward, where it becomes despair?

Do you hurl it outward, like so many Republicans seem to do, punishing the weak simply because you can?

Or do you harness it and put it to good use?

I work in downtown Lansing and I see these legislative clowns around town on a regular basis. Do I yell at them? Throw drinks in their faces? Slash their tires? I'm not that stupid! Each time I see one, I say to myself, "I'm going to be the reason you wake up without a job on Nov. 8 (or whenever their term expires)."

And then I get to work.