not to mention that he was a bigot and a criminal.

but doesn't make up for the rest

It is so totally untrue. He was a bigot, a hater, his policies killed those kids at Kent State.
I think the only reason people say that is because of the EPA and he was pressured into that by overwhelming support and the fact that the rivers were on fire. He said that the only reason he supported it was because he was afraid the Congress would force and even more
liberal legislation on him. He instituted wage and price controls only for political manipulation, not because he believed it would work.

I bet you picked up that "Nixon was more liberal than Obama", not from the right, but some of the Obama critics here at DU.

He looks liberal when compared to the modern GOP, but he was not at all. He gave us the EPA, but that's about the only piece of progressive legislation he can claim.

Make no mistake, Obama is to the left of any president since LBJ. That doesn't say much since we've only had moderates and conservatives since him, but it's true nonetheless.

but that is a fucking ridiculous statement. How fucking bad do you think Nixon would be with the cover of the media today. Again, that statement is just down and out fucking ignorant.

You must be really young if Obama is the most liberal president of your lifetime.

And if you're gonna claim Clinton is liberal, you're gonna have to explain DOMA, DADT and ending welfare, among others.

Fact is we haven't had a liberal president in a very long time.

Clinton? Better than any republican of course but his policy of triangulation hardly liberal
Carter? Maybe Without a doubt in my mind great man I admire, ahead of his time in many many ways
Johnson before my time but a great liberal on Social issues but unfortunately legacy tied to Vietnam

The age comment was mostly me trying to make a snappy retort, unfortunately at your expense.

As to who is more liberal, Obama or Clinton... in my estimation it is definitely not Obama. Not that Clinton was much of a liberal, either.

It was early in my awareness of politics and what Anderson was saying just made more sense than anything Carter and Reagan were saying. If I could do it again (and was of age), I would have campaigned and voted for Carter. I watched the debates closely and was blown away by Reagan's blatant lies. I expected the paper's front page headline to be "REAGAN LIED HIS FUCKING ASS OFF LAST NIGHT", but all I found was a sentence in the last paragraph of an article on A-10 that said something to the effect of "former governor Reagan made a minor misstatement during the debate". The whole "there you go again" thing is what swayed undecided voters. Carter failed to call him out on it.

In the '84 election, there was that moment where Reagan went off about driving down the coast with Nancy looking out over the ocean and the moderator had to interrupt him repeatedly with "Mr. President" before he finally snapped out of his Alzheimer's moment and realized he was on stage. I'm not being disrespectful to those with Alzheimer's (and have lost elders to it), but if there was any doubt in anyone's mind that he was mentally toast before that, the debate should have removed said doubt.

support his candidacy. I was hoping that he would take some of the votes from Reagan, but alas, that did not happen.

3rd party candidates just have very little hope if any of winning an election. Reagan scared the shit out of me, and I supported Carter in that election.

Not that my vote for Carter would have mattered, since Carter was trounced in Arkansas. Looking back on that, I think Anderson, a *cough* "former" Republican, was probably a stealth candidate to take away votes from Carter

when Obama is considered "liberal", you know something is way off. Its long past time for a true liberal to be given a crack at the reins as president of the USA, we wouldn't be in this mess if a liberal was given a chance to lead the country years ago.

The centrists and conservatives have been given enough chances and the wretched and decaying state of the nation today is the result, time to give a liberal a chance to govern, for once in modern times.

That's a rare combination and one I wouldn't say has been matched since JFK. I liked Carter and Clinton, but neither stands up to Obama on those counts. As far as I'm concerned, Johnson was a royal asshole.

Glad LBJ was on "our" side. (discounting the Vietnam war, of course).

He said someone asked LBJ why we were in Viet Nam. And (as best as I can remember the quote), "he whipped out his not insubstantial member, slammed it on the desk and said 'THIS is why we are in Viet Nam'." I can believe that.

he did have his certain "issues".

"issues" -

Doctor's orders. How about you?

Do they still make the kids aspirin? That stuff tasted like candy! My mom used to crush it between two spoons so it would be easy to swallow. Then the doc said only tylenol which was

...and they still make the chewables! I used to like to take them, too.

They also make generic versions (very inexpensive!). There are enteric-coated, for those of us who have sensitive stomachs (most likely caused by looking at Mitch McConnell).

Of course, that qualification also reflects the rules and expectations of the times I lived.

What is talked about as moderate seems very much to the right of my past
What is talked about as liberal now seems more concerned with 'pragmatics' than compassion and cooperation than it once did.

I'd say Johnson, despite his belching farting caricature, was probably the most effective liberal president I've lived under.
Because of Bobby Kennedy, his brother's administration was the most concerned about human equality.
As far as having a compassionate heart and a desire to do the best for everyone, I'd go with the "failed" Jimmy Carter.

Obama raised everyone's expectations, including mine. At the moment it's pretty hard to judge him...because key parts of what he campaigned on were very very quickly traded in the 'pragmatics' of DC politics and those things where he chose to make a stand have only had a chance to bear limited fruit.

matter anyway with Robme playing the role of puppet Kochwhore.

What you said was not only NOT logical, but wasn't necessary at all.

used "my lifetime" for a reason. I need more information to make your post make sense. Get it now?
Why do the most illogical people act logical.

You're gonna have to spend a lot of time excusing DADT, DOMA, ending welfare, banking deregulation and a whole lot of other things Clinton did.

when people hold him out as some sort of liberal alternative to President Obama, I .

What's even more baffling is that some of the folks who have been hardest on the president for not dancing fast enough to reverse/repeal some of the eff'd up legislation that Big Dawg signed into law, loathe Pres. Obama, and yet they adore The Big Dawg.

Considering the amount of opposition that President Obama has had to operate with, he is definitely the most liberal President we have ever had.

The mainstream media has vilified almost everything President Obama has done by repeating the lies told about him by the rightwingers.
And at the same time, they won't point out any of the stonewalling tactics of the Republicans.
Or expose the outright lies told by the Republican party.

How many filibusters have the Republicans used to this day while President Obama has been in the White House?
A record number of filibusters.

But Brian Williams won't tell you that on the NBC news report.
The news anchor won't tell you that on the ABC news report.
And whoever the person that is the anchor of the CBS news won't tell you that either.

keep it real....

Ignore the haters.

Sid

...expect a more liberal president without a liberal congress.

Looking at the facts Obama is a pretty good liberal president

If I just wanted to bitch and moan I'd ignore the congressional issues

He has embraced every aspect of neo-liberalism, from financializations to trade to privatization to deregulation.

Momentum seemed to be going the dems way but the past few days have been depressing.

Good for you!

I hate that our system is all about who has the most money. That locks most out from ever participating. But the alternative is absolutely frightening so tonite I will join you.

Any president of the current political model is obsolete. The world is changing fast. Too fast for our antiquated politics to be effective. The kind of vision and leadership required to save us is not supported in the paradigm we cling to.

The Supreme Court pics alone are reason enough to vote for him. But he is not a liberal.

That is all.

Way, way too much at stake