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sad sally

(2,627 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 05:44 PM Jun 2012

Clinton, then Summers, now Bernanke - will the President agree with them?

During the Joint Economic Hearing this a.m., Bernanke was asked whether the Bush(Obama) tax cuts should be extended. His response, similar to Clinton's and Summers's sure sounds like more piling on to make sure these tax cuts for ALL income earners remain where they are.

Can't help but think that every time this call is made by anybody but a Republican, it's done to get us ready for the message from the President: "Sorry, folks, it had to be done, but believe me, I really meant it when I told you over and over that taxes on those making over $250,000 or $1 million needed to be raised by 3% - maybe next year or the year after that or...oh, and we had to cut social security, medicare, food stamps, education, and programs for the poor and homeless, but remember, we have a strong military program, and it's for the good of the country. The rich need that money so it will trickle down to you."
end of my rant...

Jun 7, 2012 4:46pm
Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke Warns Congress on ‘Taxmaggedon’: ‘If You All Go on Vacation, It’s Still Going to Happen’

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The single biggest item making up the fiscal cliff, Bernanke said, is the potential expiration of the so-called Bush tax cuts. If everything else were held constant, he said, the expirations alone would have adverse effects on spending and growth in the economy that would be significant.

“I’m not necessarily saying that the right thing to do is to extend those cuts,” he added. “It could be there are other steps you could take that would have a similar impact. But that is the single biggest component of the so-called cliff.

Rep. Sean Duffy, R-Wis., asked if that basically meant, in essence, that the Fed chairman would advise that the tax cuts should be extended.

“I’d tell you to try to avoid a situation in which you have a massive cut in spending and increase in taxes all hitting at one moment, as opposed to trying to spread them out over time in some way that will … create less short-term drag on the U.S. economy,” Bernanke responded.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/fed-chairman-ben-bernanke-warns-congress-on-taxmaggedon-if-you-all-go-on

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jpbollma

(552 posts)
1. I can definitely see why you would be nervous
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:02 PM
Jun 2012

because of how these things were extended in the past. However, I do think most economists have said that if we are going to continue this insane short term austerity crusade rather than a long term debt reduction plan with some targeted spending during recession, AND raise taxes on the poor and middle class it would be a recipe for another slow down. I don't think that is untrue, and I don't think a lot of the Dems really want the tax cuts for the top 1% extended....but, if the GOP hold all of the other tax cuts/credits hostage AND threaten to slash spending in a major way immediately, the Democrats will be in a shitty situation with the average voter when their tax credits or spending programs they rely on disappear. It's basically a trap.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. I think we were told that the wealthy and the corporations are sitting on trillions of dollars and
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:05 PM
Jun 2012

won't spend because of lack of demand for consumer goods. The lack of demand is caused by high unemployment and home foreclosures and personal debt.

If they are sitting on trillions of dollars, taking some of that away to spur demand by increasing government spending would be a good thing because it puts more money into circulation and eventually trickles back up to the wealthy.

Now if they are sitting on trillions of dollars with low tax rates, how does keeping them low get them to spend it?

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
3. This is one of the few times I agree with Bernanke.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jun 2012

He's right. This is not the time to raise taxes on the middle class. We are still up against some very strong deflationary currents.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
5. The Bush tax cuts haven't worked.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:57 PM
Jun 2012

They haven't created any jobs, and there has been no trickle down effect.

It's time for the Democrats to stand up to the Republicans with these facts and let the tax cuts for everyone expire if the GOP won't give in.

The Bush tax cuts have only helped the millionaires get wealthier, and they're not doing anything with the money anyway. Let them expire.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
6. They're laying out cover so when he caves, ... he'll
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jun 2012

appear to be looking at a "consensus", I guess that's the right word.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
7. The almost $900 billion cost of all the tax cuts, extensions, etc. that happened in February,
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jun 2012

will make the debt ceiling limit be reached around the end of September. One can only imagine the battle increasing the debt ceiling will create 6 weeks before the election. Sure, Geithner can take the money from retirees and prop up the treasury, but it's not going to be a pretty fight.

It will be much more palatable for the President to agree to extend ALL tax cuts for some period of time (9-18 months) - yes, cut a consensus deal to get the debt ceiling raised - and promise that major tax reform will be a priority in 2013. Meanwhile, defense spending will continue to bulge, the rich will get richer, and the invisible poor, well, they'll just have to suck it up.

call me "ye of little faith..."

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
8. There isn't a chance in hell that Obama will let those cuts expire.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jun 2012

His excuse for extending them last time was one of the flimsiest pieces of bullshit I've ever heard from a politician. If he'd do it then, he'll certainly do it again. My only question is will they make them officially permanent this time, or let them "expire" again in... oh... let's say four years.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
10. Nah, I say it will be an extension. That way it can look like there's really an effort being made
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:57 PM
Jun 2012

to do something about tax inequality - besides, politicians do best at kick the can down the road; means they can always pull out the "look what you're doing to our children and grandchildren" mime.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
11. I don't know-- our political establishment seems to be involved in
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:01 PM
Jun 2012

a game of 'court the plutocrats' these days. And Citizens United certainly isn't going to help as time goes by.

A lame duck president with a DLC outlook and lots of "flexibility" might just see it as a chance to prove how committed his party is to service.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
12. Big tax cuts below $500,000 (couples) anything above increase tax
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:06 AM
Jun 2012

in fact increase taxes for those earning more than $1 million.

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