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kentuck

(111,107 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:00 PM Jun 2012

I think I have found the simple message that average voters can identify with?

I watched Chris Mathews make the point to Michael Steele a few minutes ago on Hardball. Steele was tongue-tied. Mathews made a point that I believe would resonate across the nation.

He said, "But Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression".

That statement is something that not all voters are familiar with, although we may assume that they are? But it forces the Republicans into a defensive mode in which they have to respond.

Romney has said in the past that Obama inherited a difficult situation but he only made it worse...

And what should be the Democratic response?

"Are we to believe that we can continue the same policies as George W Bush, that got us into the crash, and the economy would now be booming?" Do you know the definition of insanity?

"What would you do differently from George W Bush"?

on edit - The reason I suggest this is because it is so simple. It is 3rd grade simple. It is the type of thing the average voter would latch on to. If you think about it, it would be very effective, in my opinion.



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I think I have found the simple message that average voters can identify with? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2012 OP
I agree. You only hear the part about the Great Depression senseandsensibility Jun 2012 #1
It is the kind of "messaging" that Repubs would come up with... kentuck Jun 2012 #2
This nation is going to become more and more difficult to govern. Stupid people..n/t monmouth Jun 2012 #3
Willfully, proudly, stubbornly abelenkpe Jun 2012 #5
I think that's good. K&R. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #4
I like it abelenkpe Jun 2012 #6
Simple, real, and to the point. TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #7
You have to talk to the conservatives like 8-year-olds. That's what they've been dumbed down to. freshwest Jun 2012 #8
And GWBush inherited a good felix_numinous Jun 2012 #9
? Liberty84 Jun 2012 #10
We shall just hope that the average voter is Riftaxe Jun 2012 #11
Which means??? n/t Cerridwen Jun 2012 #12
I try to have this very discussion humbled_opinion Jun 2012 #13
Do they know that U.S. homeownership peaked in 2004? CBHagman Jun 2012 #16
since the Great Republican Depression B Calm Jun 2012 #14
I would add... kentuck Jun 2012 #15
Good talking point. You can't argue with that. MatthewStLouis Jun 2012 #17
Yes... kentuck Jun 2012 #18

senseandsensibility

(17,108 posts)
1. I agree. You only hear the part about the Great Depression
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:17 PM
Jun 2012

if you listen to Thom Hartmann or some shows on MSNBC. We forget that most people don't.

kentuck

(111,107 posts)
2. It is the kind of "messaging" that Repubs would come up with...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jun 2012

Simple and directed to the average American voter. (3rd grade level IQ)

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
5. Willfully, proudly, stubbornly
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jun 2012

Ugh....sometimes I don't know. I work and live surrounded by intelligent, educated, creative, caring people and then I talk to my tea party/ron paul loving east coast relatives or read the comments section attached to any article and am filled with despair.

People aren't really that dim are they?

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
6. I like it
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:32 PM
Jun 2012

pretty much sums it all up.


edited to add:

Lets make an ad or something! I've got two months off coming up

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
7. Simple, real, and to the point.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:40 PM
Jun 2012

I believe such messaging has already been generally shelved because eventually someone will wonder why we aren't acting like it from a policy proposal standpoint and why have we taken a broadly cyclical attitude about the crisis after the initial hit.

Of course the sentiment has been used as a segway type line but never has been a focus and there are reasons for that beyond naively not thinking of it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. You have to talk to the conservatives like 8-year-olds. That's what they've been dumbed down to.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:06 PM
Jun 2012

Good job by Matthews and thanks for bringing the highlights here for us who don't watch teh tee vee.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
9. And GWBush inherited a good
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:02 PM
Jun 2012

economy with a trillion dollar surplus. The RW media condition people for shorter attention spans and do not encourage people to recognize patterns in history.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
11. We shall just hope that the average voter is
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:18 PM
Jun 2012

unaware of 2008 - 2010, shall we?

Beats the pants of actually putting forward a comprehensive plan any day....because fluff is more important then substance?

President Obama needs to find a plan, then support it actively, that will guarantee 2012.

Attempting to peddle a pedantic message is likely to lead to our failure in the polls this November.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
12. Which means??? n/t
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:25 PM
Jun 2012

Ah, I see your edit expanded it.

What about 2008-2010? That part still eludes me.


humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
13. I try to have this very discussion
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:20 PM
Jun 2012

with the teaheads at my job. They argue that the Democrats won control of both houses of Congress in the 06 election well before the 08 downturn. They say Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were more interested in pushing a full withdraw from Iraq instead of dealing with the coming financial crisis. They contend that Nancy and Harry let it happen on purpose to get leverage against Bush and Republicans in the 08 election. They argue that it is true Obama inherited a housing crisis but they contend it was mostly because of loose fiscal policy of the banks making loans to those that could not afford to pay, which they squarely blame on liberal policies of govt mortgage companies Fannie and Freddie... Many completely agree that Bush exacerbated the situation by bailing out the banks but they equally assign that blame to both parties in Congress that funded TARP.

Than they lay into Obama, they say he had the first 2 years with full control of both houses in Congress and was more interested in passing healthcare reform than worrying about jobs and the economy, they say his stimulus failed even though it may have stemmed the tide of job losses it never corrected the economy, they blast 5 trillion in additional debt in his first three years in office and then complain exactly what did we get for the money? I have even had them say if he would have just gave the money to the jobless he could have had zero percent unemployment by hiring hole diggers and hole fillers....

Anyway it is the Faux news, talk radio crowd and they are becoming extremely vocal many people have been hypnotized into this thinking, the simple answer is that there are not enough people doing better now than they were doing before Obama got elected, bad economic news makes it harder to get the message out....

Just today I tried to defend Obama's fiscal record by saying that if he had not taken the steps that he had there would have been a complete depression their response is you sound like when Bush was saying if he didn't go to war in Iraq they would have come here and killed us and they told me I couldn't have it both ways...

maybe this is insanity after all....

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
16. Do they know that U.S. homeownership peaked in 2004?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:54 PM
Jun 2012
http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2011/05/17/why-declining-homeownership-rates-might-not-be-a-bad-thing

Homeownership peaked at 69.2 percent in late 2004.

Funny, too, how suddenly 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 -- when the GOP led the way to multiple tax cuts, multiple wars, a new prescription drug benefit, all without means to pay for the new spending -- suddenly don't matter in the economic scheme of things but somehow January 2007 changed the economy. Here in the States we're encouraged to focus on quick fixes -- Lose 30 pounds by Memorial Day! -- and ignore long-term patterns.

Find me a recent GOP president who didn't leave a deficit behind, in fact, and look up what economists have said about the GOP presidential candidates' prospects of fixing the deficit (Short answer: Slim to none.).


kentuck

(111,107 posts)
15. I would add...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:31 PM
Jun 2012

..that this argument does little to nothing in resolving the problems we face. It is solely a "political" response to the bullshit we are now hearing from the Republicans. This is the argument they would be selling to the people if a Democrat had been in office in 2008 when the shit hit the fan. It is purely and simply a dose of their own medicine. It intrudes into the thought processes of our uneducated populace in a manipulative manner, just like the Repubs would do. The only difference being that it is true.

MatthewStLouis

(904 posts)
17. Good talking point. You can't argue with that.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:10 AM
Jun 2012

Another thing I would like to hear repeated: Obama has tried to get a Jobs/Infrastructure bill (real red meat stimulus) passed, yet all the Repubs do is OBSTRUCT OBSTRUCT OBSTRUCT. We need ads that connect those dots for people. The Repubs will do anything to sink Obama even if they have to tank the economy in the process. Lots of great video of idiots jabbering about how destroying Obama is priority #1.... What f___g arseholes! All the g__ damned self righteous SOB's are nothing but a bunch of traitors!

Ok, I'm going to bed.

kentuck

(111,107 posts)
18. Yes...
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:13 AM
Jun 2012

This Congress is so sorry that they make Truman's "Do-Nothing" Congress look like workaholics..
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