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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:33 PM May 2016

POTUS to Rutgers grads: America is better than it was 50 years ago—"or even eight years ago."

"When you hear someone longing for the good old days, take it with a grain of salt."



8 YEARS AGO




“Let me be as clear as I can be, in politics and in life, ignorance is not a virtue.”

"You've got to be a citizen full time, all the time.

Vote, pay attention, be informed, be engaged."






https://theobamadiary.com/2016/05/15/president-obama-delivers-rutgers-university-commencement-address/#comments
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POTUS to Rutgers grads: America is better than it was 50 years ago—"or even eight years ago." (Original Post) kpete May 2016 OP
Excellent malaise May 2016 #1
..." address defends factual knowledge and attacks isolationism as he targets Trump’s border wall." pampango May 2016 #2
Yeah. Ever since the banksters put the money back... Octafish May 2016 #3
Massive gigantic plus one! Enthusiast May 2016 #6
Agreed... tomp May 2016 #18
What BS. Fifty years ago we had civil right act and the voting rights act - and we were a democracy! DrBulldog May 2016 #4
And almost no student debt! Enthusiast May 2016 #8
And POC, LGBT and women had equality in the eyes of the law - oh wait. Nt hack89 May 2016 #13
If you were rich, white, and straight, it must have been a great time Democat May 2016 #21
umm... no. ensemble May 2016 #24
America is better than it was 8 years ago, if you born with enough economic privilege AZ Progressive May 2016 #5
Huge +1! Enthusiast May 2016 #7
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands. If you're happy and you know it then really ought YOHABLO May 2016 #9
Obama is right, but.. Albertoo May 2016 #10
So many factors made that happen. HuckleB May 2016 #12
I agree, that's why I used the word 'unnatural' Albertoo May 2016 #14
Exactly! HuckleB May 2016 #15
It should be better, especially regarding income inequality, but he's right. -eom- HuckleB May 2016 #11
Don't confuse the, with the facts! NT Adrahil May 2016 #19
Yes Hairy Harry Potlover May 2016 #16
If the POTUS delivers your commencement address, Alkene May 2016 #17
Definitely better than eight years ago. HughBeaumont May 2016 #20
well I guess it depends upon what we are talking about burfman May 2016 #22
Is that why Hillary is touting Bill to revitalize your moribund economy? StarTrombone May 2016 #23

pampango

(24,692 posts)
2. ..." address defends factual knowledge and attacks isolationism as he targets Trump’s border wall."
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016
Barack Obama delivered a stinging rebuke to a culture of isolationism and falsehood, and an adamant defense of facts and science, in his commencement address to the Rutgers University graduating class of 2016 on Sunday.

In a wide-ranging address, Obama singled out the issue of income inequality and proposed closing tax loopholes on hedge fund managers, highlighted the importance of voting and accountability, and commented on the problems of money in politics and climate change.

The president took particular umbrage with a culture of willful ignorance, ridiculing leaders and commentators who reject science and facts. “And yet, we’ve become confused about this,” he said.

He also argued that the notion of a wall on America’s borders ran counter to the nation’s founding principles: “The world is interconnected and becoming more so every day. Building walls won’t change that.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/15/barack-obama-commencement-speech-donald-trump

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Yeah. Ever since the banksters put the money back...
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

...and Bush and Cheney started making license plates and all the wars and occupations ended when all the green clean energy and transportation jobs came back to Detroit with the clean water.

Yeah. Lot better.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
18. Agreed...
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:50 AM
May 2016

Economically, the working/middle class was better off. there was much less income inequality.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
4. What BS. Fifty years ago we had civil right act and the voting rights act - and we were a democracy!
Mon May 16, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

And you are a perpetuator of the oligarchic Establishment as well, Obama.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
21. If you were rich, white, and straight, it must have been a great time
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

For everyone else, life today is better.

ensemble

(164 posts)
24. umm... no.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:14 PM
May 2016

middle class, white, and straight better yesterday, I'll buy that. But if you are rich and whatever else, today is better.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
9. If you're happy and you know it clap your hands. If you're happy and you know it then really ought
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

to show it ..clap your hands.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
10. Obama is right, but..
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

70 to 50 years ago, the US held an unnaturally high share of the world GDP.

So the myth of a 1950's 'golden age' will linger on.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
12. So many factors made that happen.
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

The science and industry push of WWII and the quick switch to the Cold War, allowed by our infrastructure being in place being only the biggest, among many reasons that simply cannot be replicated.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
14. I agree, that's why I used the word 'unnatural'
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

in 1950, all the competitors were at their lowest:

- Western Europe and Japan were in ruins
- Eastern Europe was subjugated to Stalinism
- Mao was embarking on 30 years of stagnation
- India was taking post independence baby steps

Alkene

(752 posts)
17. If the POTUS delivers your commencement address,
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:21 AM
May 2016

then you can be pretty sure that the American experience is going to be just fine for you.
Certainly better than it was eight years ago.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
20. Definitely better than eight years ago.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

As far as "decades", our last hurrah was the late 60s/early 70s, when people last cared about making a difference in human/civil/voting/labor rights.

In the 1980s, that gumby-headed cerebral wonder took over and busted unions, permanently installed 1929 Crashonomics, ushered in financial piracy and plutonomy, destroyed media fairness, bloated the military, ignored AIDS, laughed off renewable energy, allowed a CEO to rewrite tax policy so the bankers could vacuum the middle/working/poor . . . and oh yeah, oversaw high treason.

We stopped being great right about then. Ayn Rand is our scroll-writer now and we kowtow to the supremely wealthy and hope for the best . . . . a "best" we're never likely going to get again.

burfman

(264 posts)
22. well I guess it depends upon what we are talking about
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 17, 2016, 08:36 PM - Edit history (3)

I remember being in a supermarket about 20 years ago and each item was roughly worth a dollar on average.

Today I find in the supermarket that every item is about three dollars each on average.

Now can we say that the average salary has tripled in the last 20 years?

It has remained pretty constant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#/media/File:US_Real_Household_Median_Income_thru_2014.png



So OK, now we can get health care without worrying about pre-existing conditions - which is a big thing - but it's getting tough to afford insurance, education and everything else.


burfman.....................

 

StarTrombone

(188 posts)
23. Is that why Hillary is touting Bill to revitalize your moribund economy?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:08 PM
May 2016

Because he knows how to do that.

Someone ain't being honest

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