Just unreal.

who can burn whoever (s)he wants.

It's Texas.

SYG no longer applies on what he did.

Further evidence that SYG laws needs to be repealed and ALEC indicted for attempting to influence the government illegally.

And TX would put him to sleep after a suitable number of appeals. The entire case is suspicious, no wonder he was charged, Under TX's Castle Doctrine, he had no rights to do what he did.

SYG does not takes the place of that. And it wasn't 'his' ground to stand on. Sounds like he made up his defense from Fox News stories of Zimmerman. Thanks.

Zimmerman probably got his idea of using SYG from the Dooley case and this one, not the other way around.

Not wash on the basis of whose ground was interfered with. Was Dooley the guy who shot the guys who'd burgled the house next door as they were leaving?

I don't think he crossed the street to pursue, and they'd turned to face him. He still was in the wrong to my way of thinking, as the police were on the way and he'd been on the phone with the dispatcher. He acted to protect property, which is not worth a life, placing himself in danger trying to enforce a law, much like Zimmermann.

I'm not advocating for or against any stance on any of these laws, or justifying anyone killing someone. I would never put myself in that situation to begin with, just stating it as I understand it.

When I lived in that area, I asked the two officers who came to my place after an attempted burglary, what to do if I caught someone in the house again. In my case the guy fled with nothing as he was startled. One officer suggested I shoot the burglar but be sure he was in the house itself, not the yard, to be legal.

That was many years ago though, before all these cases and debates. Instead of weaponizing my life, I followed his other advice, putting up floodlights around the house and investing in better locks.

But the rowdy neighbors in this case had not committed a crime, they were a nuisance. I can understand the frustration of not being at peace from noise, and it's not a high priority with LEOs as it's not life threatening. Sanity threatening, I'll grant that. This was in, unless I misread, and I'm barely awake now, in the other people's driveway. That's 'out of line.'

I'd be surprised if this guy gets off on any grounds at all. Recording it smacks of premeditation, not an accident, and they were on their own property, not his, or his neighbor's or anything like that. I no longer live in a suburb, and hear a lot of things going on. That is what earplugs were created for, IMHO.

Many of us do not control sufficient real estate to escape noise pollution. Even when I lived in a rural area surrounded by ranches of thousands of acres, if a neighbor half a mile away wanted to be obnoxious, they would. Sound carries.

I believe this did not have to happen, the shooter had other options. JMHO.

When a neighbor complained about him flashing a gun around kids, Dooley started arguing, escalated the incident and shot the neighbor dead in front of the neighbor's daughter.

This was in the Pinellas County part of Florida, I don't remember the exact town, but it was covered in the St. Pete Times and the Tampa Tribune.

The case in the OP was ridiculous - shooting someone for loud music is not the way to have a civilized society.

I've got 60 acres and that is not enough to get away from my neighbors' noise. One in particular used to have loud parties with live bands so loud we could not talk to each other outside without yelling - and that neighbor lives a quarter of a mile away. I simply called the cops to have them ask for the music to be turned down.

The first time was when some mounted police units from downstate were staying at our farm and THEY were the first to ask to have the volume decreased. Until then, I was just going to suffer through the noise, but when my paying clients wanted it gone, I was happy to oblige.

That you were putting up with. When it gets so loud hear I can't think, I use the earplugs. Other times, it's so quiet it's as if the entire population had been removed. Glad that you got the noise turned down. And yes, killing someone on their own ground over noise is crazy.

Since this thread, pnwmom did put one up explaining the background of the shooter, a well-known problem. Had been voted out of his firefighting group, and acted as you described Dooley.

He had a CCW permit, but instead did not conceal it, he used his gun to have arguments. Don't know if this guy will do time in the jail or the state hospital for mental illness. It would seem he should have been adjudicated to not carry a weapon legally before this.

It's a murder trial, which means that a Texas grand jury indicted him for murder, rejecting any castle doctrine protections.

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gave him a justification for shooting at unarmed people.

SYG was a big part of his pre-meditated plan. And the victim is dead, not to be revived by any argument that SYG is irrelevant.

magic incantation that made any shooting okay.

so why is that reason to repeal the law? Why not simply educate the public?