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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:16 AM May 2016

"If this isn't the end for the Republican Party, it'll be a shame."

<snip>

If this isn't the end for the Republican Party, it'll be a shame. They dominated American political life for 50 years and were never anything but monsters. They bred in their voters the incredible attitude that Republicans were the only people within our borders who raised children, loved their country, died in battle or paid taxes. They even sullied the word "American" by insisting they were the only real ones. They preferred Lubbock to Paris, and their idea of an intellectual was Newt Gingrich. Their leaders, from Ralph Reed to Bill Frist to Tom DeLay to Rick Santorum to Romney and Ryan, were an interminable assembly line of shrieking, witch-hunting celibates, all with the same haircut – the kind of people who thought Iran-Contra was nothing, but would grind the affairs of state to a halt over a blow job or Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

A century ago, the small-town American was Gary Cooper: tough, silent, upright and confident. The modern Republican Party changed that person into a haranguing neurotic who couldn't make it through a dinner without quizzing you about your politics. They destroyed the American character. No hell is hot enough for them. And when Trump came along, they rolled over like the weaklings they've always been, bowing more or less instantly to his parodic show of strength.


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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/r-i-p-gop-how-trump-is-killing-the-republican-party-20160518#ixzz49K4lSUlc

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"If this isn't the end for the Republican Party, it'll be a shame." (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
Beautifully stated but a line malaise May 2016 #1
the money quote: corkhead May 2016 #2
Total extremist garbage IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #3
You really are on the wrong site cali May 2016 #4
The piece wasn't brilliant at all. It was an unhinged rant that sounded every bit as intolerant as Trust Buster May 2016 #5
Nothing remotely unhinged about it. It's a tightly crafted, scathing cali May 2016 #14
Highly accurate description. zentrum May 2016 #84
Thank you. cali May 2016 #85
If they don't get it they have outed themselves... AwakeAtLast May 2016 #91
I dunno, this was a pretty good sum up of the last 35 years: Hydra May 2016 #19
"The most successful trick was linking the corporate mantra of profit without responsibility to the Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #67
Not quite so. lpbk2713 May 2016 #25
People vote for Repugs against their own interests for many reasons, lark May 2016 #37
Ah, the old "they're just stupid" argument. Trust Buster May 2016 #44
YES, more people who didn't graduate from high school vote Repug than Dem. lark May 2016 #46
Not quite, Republican voting has more to do with income than anything else... Fumesucker May 2016 #53
A Deep Dive Into Party Affiliation ronnie624 May 2016 #66
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans... alterfurz May 2016 #80
Yes, frankly skepticscott May 2016 #58
People who want to erect a wall on the Rio Grande ... lpbk2713 May 2016 #74
Hell, my Governer (sic) wants to build a wall through the Great Lakes! Scuba May 2016 #107
Not that IQs capture the breadth of intelligence, or that IQ is everything but cali May 2016 #69
Yup - stupid. Evangelicals voting for the thugs. 100% stupid. nt Lucky Luciano May 2016 #83
Spot on. Different Drummer May 2016 #89
Thanks and welcome to DU lark May 2016 #115
Right. JDPriestly May 2016 #99
How about the propaganda and lies that the 90% Republican-owned news media deliberately Cal33 May 2016 #63
Any journalist that throws out red meat to sell copy is wrong IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #64
I am glad we agree on somethings. Cal33 May 2016 #87
They actually didn't win more votes. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #81
No. More Americans did NOT vote for Republicans world wide wally May 2016 #92
Scary how we're now supposed to idolize these people because they are moving into our party Hydra May 2016 #6
Sickening. cali May 2016 #11
What is sickening is someone who disagrees with a political party calling them Trust Buster May 2016 #16
Yeah, how dare people criticise a party that has become so hateful and racist cali May 2016 #21
Well, look at the record ThoughtCriminal May 2016 #93
So he's saying it, but they're DOING it skepticscott May 2016 #61
They are bringing more than just their money. Ferd Berfel May 2016 #41
Interestingly. The Democratic Party of the Clintons has been more welcoming and open to the JDPriestly May 2016 #100
Thomas Frank on Hartmann today Ferd Berfel May 2016 #116
"Extremist garbage?" Hardly. Go elsewhere to peddle that crap. CurtEastPoint May 2016 #8
I'll go where I damn well please. It was an unhinged rant IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #13
Taibbi is a brilliant PatSeg May 2016 #15
"Monsters" ? "destroyed the character of America" ? "hell is not hot enough" ? Really ? Trust Buster May 2016 #18
Yes. Destroyed the character of America. Absolutely cali May 2016 #22
I have family members that are Republicans. You probably do as well. I will not call them Trust Buster May 2016 #29
He was referring to PatSeg May 2016 #33
I have family members who are ex-republicans cali May 2016 #35
Maybe in the person you are responding to, their case Katashi_itto May 2016 #39
Sure he is. You can't divorce Republicans from their Party. The Party looks at the polls and mimic Trust Buster May 2016 #43
Of course you can divorce party leadership from voters. cali May 2016 #47
No, politicians poll their base and react accordingly. Trust Buster May 2016 #48
Politicians have a responsibility to not encourage hate and bigotry cali May 2016 #51
But it's fine for a writer of the Rolling Stone to call millions of fellow Americans monsters ? Trust Buster May 2016 #56
That is not what he did cali May 2016 #60
LOLOLOLOLOL AntiBank May 2016 #103
"No, politicians poll their base and react accordingly." Wrong, again ... Scuba May 2016 #110
You have been extremely argumentative, especially so in the last 90 days. You sure are passionate... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #88
Don't bother speaking truth to that one... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #59
You are so right cali May 2016 #70
On a political level, I would call them monsters. They know not what they do. Fools is an even B JDPriestly May 2016 #101
Really PatSeg May 2016 #27
and just as obvious is you haven't been paying attention the last Mbrow May 2016 #30
Sure as hell did. Took us from people who DID care about others and science and space to LiberalArkie May 2016 #40
I replied to wrong thread. Sorry. We are in agreement. CurtEastPoint May 2016 #79
lost? heaven05 May 2016 #10
It's absolutely correct n/t gollygee May 2016 #12
Why don't you read the entire article? mountain grammy May 2016 #28
I did. "Monsters" ? "Destroyed the character of America" ? "Hell is not hot enough" ? Trust Buster May 2016 #45
He is right. The Republican Party is a monster. It has destroyed the character of America, and JDPriestly May 2016 #102
Lolol...revealed to what you truly are. Katashi_itto May 2016 #36
Free Republic is that way. ------------------> Feeling the Bern May 2016 #42
Have you seen what the republlicans throw at us including trying to get rid of healthcare patsimp May 2016 #49
You don't seem to understand how message boards work. yardwork May 2016 #50
DU has sunk so low TransitJohn May 2016 #52
I challenge you before this entire forum to rebut each and every point Taibbi makes. Get busy. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #86
Best comment on Rolling Stone LiberalArkie May 2016 #7
On Sun May 22, 2016, 09:31 AM an alert was sent on the following post: baran May 2016 #32
Here's the alerter, apparently in some stage of grief: silvershadow May 2016 #77
Not grief wryter2000 May 2016 #113
The RS comments are mostly from right wingers but I thought this was the best SharonClark May 2016 #72
Agree! jaxind May 2016 #9
I googled "accomplishments of the Republican party" and got this nonsense IronLionZion May 2016 #17
Wow PatSeg May 2016 #71
Kicked and recommended to the Max! nt Enthusiast May 2016 #20
From what I'm seeing, the Republicans I know are even more determined to back the party. bulloney May 2016 #23
It's going to be reaaly strange as they move over to our party Hydra May 2016 #24
Same here... awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #62
Two GOP parties is what we have but one of them calls itself jwirr May 2016 #75
They are so brainwashed PatSeg May 2016 #73
YEP Cosmocat May 2016 #105
Wake Up. They Always Say This billhicks76 May 2016 #26
Kick your enemy when he's down and he's 'inspired' to get back up? randome May 2016 #34
It's a club. nt thereismore May 2016 #76
It will be a shame, but the GOP will soldier on..with help from their "friends" mountain grammy May 2016 #31
We don't need a one party system. A weakened GOP is good enough for me. alfredo May 2016 #38
Totally agree we do not want a one party system yeoman6987 May 2016 #57
They don't have the capacity to self correct. It is never their own fault. alfredo May 2016 #68
lol Cosmocat May 2016 #106
Great read. thanks for posting. spooky3 May 2016 #54
People can talk all they want about how this is the end for the repug party mdbl May 2016 #55
I love this piece Cosmocat May 2016 #108
Another Taibbi Masterpiece Leith May 2016 #65
That fucker Cruz embaces his insane father but not his wife. Look! thereismore May 2016 #78
"I know nothing about either Republicans or small towns", the article. Shandris May 2016 #82
I don't understand this. I am surprised at Taibbi, whom I enjoy greatly merrily May 2016 #90
My prediction: Republicans will get thrashed this year, but rebuild for the next election. backscatter712 May 2016 #94
06/08 Cosmocat May 2016 #109
I hope you're right, but the polls say otherwise.. mountain grammy May 2016 #112
They have been dead to ever since Tom McCall died. JEB May 2016 #95
I'm afraid that instead, this is a new dawn for the Republican party. Kablooie May 2016 #96
"They even sullied the word "American" by insisting they were the only real ones." C Moon May 2016 #97
The libertarian wing of the Republican Party is the most intellectually JDPriestly May 2016 #98
only issue I have (it is nitpicking sorta) is that it has NOT been 50 years of Rethug domination AntiBank May 2016 #104
K&R.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #111
The demise of the Republican Party is greatly exaggerated. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #114

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
2. the money quote:
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016
"If the convention isn't Liberace meets Stalin meets Vince McMahon, it'll be a massive disappointment."


 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. Total extremist garbage IMO.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016

I have plenty of issues with Republicans myself but, such a vile and intolerant OP makes you sound like the people you were describing in the OP itself.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. You really are on the wrong site
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016

Your perspective is a better fit for a site where people hold your, er, views.

Taibbi's piece is brilliant because it's so spot on.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
5. The piece wasn't brilliant at all. It was an unhinged rant that sounded every bit as intolerant as
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:49 AM
May 2016

the Republicans described in the rant. Republicans hold office because more Americans voted for them than Democrats. But those Americans don't seem to matter in the minds of some sanctimonious hypocrites.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. Nothing remotely unhinged about it. It's a tightly crafted, scathing
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:02 AM
May 2016

piece that nails what the republican party has devolved into.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
19. I dunno, this was a pretty good sum up of the last 35 years:
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016
There never was any real connection between the George Wills, Andrew Sullivans and David Brookses and the gun-toting, Jesus-loving ex-middle-class voters they claimed to embrace. All those intellectuals ever did for Middle America was cook up a sales pitch designed to get them to vote for politicians who would instantly betray them to business interests eager to ship their jobs off to China and India. The most successful trick was linking the corporate mantra of profit without responsibility to the concept of individual liberty.


Feel free to pitch on how the Grand Ol' Perverts did not gleefully sell out their base and basically burn whatever we once considered rule of law to the ground. The party should have been dead and buried in 2008, but our party leaders wanted to keep them around for contrast.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
67. "The most successful trick was linking the corporate mantra of profit without responsibility to the
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

concept of individual liberty."

Just this line alone could be it's own OP. You nailed it exactly, Hydra!

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
25. Not quite so.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:34 AM
May 2016


Al Gore won the popular vote in the Y2K sElection {Link to Article} by over a half million votes. And GW Bush was awarded the presidencey despite numerous claims of voting irregularities. He made it his quest ever since that time to stack the deck against Dems and against American workers.

lark

(23,105 posts)
37. People vote for Repugs against their own interests for many reasons,
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

most of which deserve no respect at all. 1 - They listen to lies repeated over and over in the msm and don't take the time to think for themselves. 2 - they don't pay any attention at all to what's really happening and just go along with their pastor. 3 - they are racist, homophobic,bigots, 4 - they are rich and greedy or worship the rich. Most of them live in areas that haven't recovered as much because of the bad rw economic ideas(see Kansas) that will never work and don't have good healthcare coverage either, again because of stupidity, so voting Repug is shooting themselves in the foot. We are doing them a favor, though they don't realize it, by voting Dem that will help their everyday lives. You are romanticizing the unhinged and deliberate ignorance that has promoted Drumpf to the top.

lark

(23,105 posts)
46. YES, more people who didn't graduate from high school vote Repug than Dem.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:30 AM
May 2016

It's just the facts. When people vote for someone (Brownback, Scott, Walker) that will implement policies that hurt them, that's stupid.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
53. Not quite, Republican voting has more to do with income than anything else...
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:48 AM
May 2016

The higher the income the more likely any given demographic is to vote Republican.

It's really middle class whites who vote en masse against their own economic interests, not so much poor ones.

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/03/23/voting-patterns-of-americas-whites-from-the-masses-to-the-elites/



Within any education category, richer people vote more Republican. In contrast, the pattern of education and voting is nonlinear. High school graduates are more Republican than non-HS grads, but after that, the groups with more education tend to vote more Democratic. At the very highest education level tabulated in the survey, voters with post-graduate degrees lean toward the Democrats. Except for the rich post-graduates; they are split 50-50 between the parties.

What does this say about America’s elites? If you define elites as high-income non-Hispanic whites, the elites vote strongly Republican. If you define elites as college-educated high-income whites, they vote moderately Republican.

There is no plausible way based on these data in which elites can be considered a Democratic voting bloc. To create a group of strongly Democratic-leaning elite whites using these graphs, you would need to consider only postgraduates (no simple college grads included, even if they have achieved social and financial success), and you have to go down to the below-$75,000 level of family income, which hardly seems like the American elites to me.

The patterns are consistent for all three of the past presidential elections. (The differences in the higher-income low-education category should not be taken seriously, as the estimates are based on small samples, as can be seen from the large standard errors for those subgroups.)

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
66. A Deep Dive Into Party Affiliation
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016
Democrats hold advantages in party identification among blacks, Asians, Hispanics, well-educated adults and Millennials. Republicans have leads among whites – particularly white men, those with less education and evangelical Protestants – as well as members of the Silent Generation.


http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
80. "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:28 PM
May 2016

...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." -- Karl Rove

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
58. Yes, frankly
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:03 AM
May 2016

People who think Barack Obama was born in Kenya are stupid. People who think that evolution and global warming are false are stupid. People who think you can set the economy aflame by endless tax cuts are stupid. People who think public school teachers are lazy and overpaid are stupid. People who think that voter fraud is rampant are stupid. People who think that public bathrooms are haunted by transgendered predators are stupid. People who think that George W. Bush kept us safe during his presidency are stupid.

I could go on. And on. And on.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
69. Not that IQs capture the breadth of intelligence, or that IQ is everything but
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

the average IQ is 98

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
63. How about the propaganda and lies that the 90% Republican-owned news media deliberately
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

spew 24/7 to keep their masses misinformed and obedient to what the Republican leaders
fool them into believing, behaving and doing? This is one of the worst aspects of the
Republican Leadership. What they are doing is destroying our nation. They are sacrificing
our whole nation -- for what? For the Corporatists' personal profit.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
92. No. More Americans did NOT vote for Republicans
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:18 PM
May 2016

Democrats, in fact, got more votes in 2012 and 2014. The ONLY reason Republicans got more seats in the House was because of gerrymandering. (Another charming quality)

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
6. Scary how we're now supposed to idolize these people because they are moving into our party
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:49 AM
May 2016

And bringing their money. So says the Dem establishment speakers.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
16. What is sickening is someone who disagrees with a political party calling them
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

"monsters" who "destroyed the character of America" and "hell is hot enough for them". That's over the top vitriol by any reasonable standards and represents everything the author of the OP is accusing the Republicans of being. If Democrats want change, then they need to cast more votes for Democrats than are cast for Republicans. Hate and intolerance is not a vote.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. Yeah, how dare people criticise a party that has become so hateful and racist
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:22 AM
May 2016

Xenophobic and misogynistic, and hurtling into full blown fascism?

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
41. They are bringing more than just their money.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

and it's destroying the Party.

If you listen to Hartmann you will have heard his say over and over again that you need to get involved. That you need to join your local Democratic party to get inside to change the party because that's what the Tea Baggers did on the right to the republicans.

It should be obvious that this is exactly what the disenfranchised republicans have done to the Democratic Party. Beginning with the DLC sale of the Party to Koch Bros (and others) in '85 by the Clinton's (and others) - a few months before Hillary was appointed to the board of Wall Mart.

Our tent has been too damn big. A life long republican can switch and say "well I'm a democrat now', the party says great and moves on. But no one questions: Did this republican all of a sudden renounce their previous life long held belief that a woman does not have the right to choose, had an Epiphany, and magically is just fine with choice now? That republican has supported privatizing Social Security and ending Medicare all their life (or career), but they're magically now a democrat... who STILL is working towards killing both, and did they renounce the neo-liberal ideology of Cheney, Bush, Rove, or did they brin that along with them also...and so on and so on....

This is how the Democratic Party of the Working Class and Middle Class has become a caricature of it's former self and morphed into the democrat party or Neo-Dems

The neo-Dems are simply the republican party prior to its going insane and full blown (and open) racist.

Bill swung heavily to the right 'forcing' Newt even farther to the right - just to keep up. The Republican party finally had to go off the deep end just to keep up with Bill. Remember (in the90's when it was amusing that Clinton was beating the Republicans to the (RW) punch? We'd say he was out republicaning the republicans - and laugh about it.

Clinton and the neo-Dems have simply taken up station on the former republican turf.

I've been having the exact same arguments here, with Clinton Supporters that I have in my private life with my Republican friends and acquaintances. The same damned arguments - with people claiming to be democrats.

It's a step through the "looking glass".

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
100. Interestingly. The Democratic Party of the Clintons has been more welcoming and open to the
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:04 AM
May 2016

Republicans who have sought its shelter from the ever more extremely right-wing Republican Party than they have been to Bernie and his concern and compassion for working people. Working people used to be the stalwarts of the Democratic Party. That was pre-Clinton. Now, the working people who are white have gravitated to the Republican Party. The Republican Party flatters them, gives them nothing real, nothing more than a little ego boost, but hey, what is the establishment Democratic Party offering to counter that? Bernie offers a lot. The establishment Democratic Party is making the mistake of its life if it rejects or belittles Bernie. He is the hope of the Democratic Party.

Very telling that the Party is abusing him so much.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
116. Thomas Frank on Hartmann today
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

was eye opening. re: his new book: Listen Liberal

Hartmann, still kum ba yah bullshit, Checking out the pod cast if you can

Frank really laid it out. The current Dem party under Clinton control has made a concerted effort to abandon the Working class in favor of the 'professionals' including Wall Street vampires. You see it here daily in the Clinton Supporters arrogance.

This party is over.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
15. Taibbi is a brilliant
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

and insightful writer. I didn't read anything in that article that was unhinged aside from the republican party itself.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
18. "Monsters" ? "destroyed the character of America" ? "hell is not hot enough" ? Really ?
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:08 AM
May 2016

You read nothing in that article that was unhinged ? Really ?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
22. Yes. Destroyed the character of America. Absolutely
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

Hillary sure does have a lot of Conservadems supporting her.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
29. I have family members that are Republicans. You probably do as well. I will not call them
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

"monsters" who "destroyed the character of America" and that "hell is not hot enough for them". That's doing exactly what the OP accuses the Republicans of doing.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
33. He was referring to
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

republican leaders, not the average citizens.

I have family members who are republicans as well. I was raised in a republican household. My family members are not "monsters", but the people who mislead them are and deserve to be called out for their years of deceit and greed.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
43. Sure he is. You can't divorce Republicans from their Party. The Party looks at the polls and mimic
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

the message they receive from the average Republican. This author just wants to sell copy by throwing red meat at the base just like Right wing journalists do. If he really wanted to be productive, he would point out the Democrats' dismal voter turnout record because that is the only productive behavior that will change the situation. Calling people monsters is only meant to sell copy.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
56. But it's fine for a writer of the Rolling Stone to call millions of fellow Americans monsters ?
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:57 AM
May 2016

I'm from the practice what you preach school.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
110. "No, politicians poll their base and react accordingly." Wrong, again ...
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:03 AM
May 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/03/04/one-study-explains-why-its-tough-to-pass-liberal-laws/

Broockman and Skovron find that legislators consistently believe their constituents are more conservative than they actually are. This includes Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives. But conservative legislators generally overestimate the conservatism of their constituents by 20 points. "This difference is so large that nearly half of conservative politicians appear to believe that they represent a district that is more conservative on these issues than is the most conservative district in the entire country," Broockman and Skovron write. This finding held up across a range of issues.









 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
88. You have been extremely argumentative, especially so in the last 90 days. You sure are passionate...
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

...all day, every day.

Good for you.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
101. On a political level, I would call them monsters. They know not what they do. Fools is an even B
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:05 AM
May 2016

better word for it.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
27. Really
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

As I said, it is the republican party that is "unhinged", not Taibbi's portrayal of the party.

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
30. and just as obvious is you haven't been paying attention the last
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:48 AM
May 2016

40 years. If you think that the policies that have destroyed a generation of poor and black families, turned our people against each other isn't pure evil, well you are entitled to your option. Have a nice day

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
40. Sure as hell did. Took us from people who DID care about others and science and space to
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

GREED is good with Ronnie.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
45. I did. "Monsters" ? "Destroyed the character of America" ? "Hell is not hot enough" ?
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

He's just throwing out red meat to sell copy.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
102. He is right. The Republican Party is a monster. It has destroyed the character of America, and
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:10 AM
May 2016

hell is not hot enough for the horrible people who have changed the party of Eisenhower into the hateful nest of tyrants, fascists, self-seeking egomaniacs and haters that it is.

I left the US and there were few homeless people on the streets. I returned in 1985 after about 17 years dominated with the short hiatus of Jimmy Carter's presidency by Republican presidents to having to step over the homeless as I walked to my bus in the early hours of the morning in Los Angeles.

The homeless problem in America is the fruit of the Republican tree. It is shameful in a country as wealthy as ours that there is so little compassion, so little love that we have so many homeless.

That is what Republicans did to America.

patsimp

(915 posts)
49. Have you seen what the republlicans throw at us including trying to get rid of healthcare
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

and gutting our supreme court.

I'm always amazed at how quickly people attack our own but then talk about tolerance when confronted by republican attacks.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
50. You don't seem to understand how message boards work.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

The OP is a quote from an article.

Also, if you are this bothered by criticism of the Republican Party you probably won't be happy here.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
52. DU has sunk so low
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

that I can totally believe you are posting this with a straight face. It's so sad what's become of this site. Apolgetics for Republicans. Jesus fucking Christ.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
7. Best comment on Rolling Stone
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders will serve as the next POTUS in the White House. Hillary will serve time as an inmate in the Big House. It will be a Sanders/Trump contest in November, and will be "The Stand" in real time: Will the voter go to Boulder or Las Vegas.... and you know what happened there

 

baran

(92 posts)
32. On Sun May 22, 2016, 09:31 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

Best comment on Rolling Stone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7848075

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Probably hopeless, but do we really have to hear that a prominent Democrat will go to the Big House? Honestly, I'm about to give up on this place.

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SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
72. The RS comments are mostly from right wingers but I thought this was the best
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

Fantastic piece, Matt. Only thing you missed is that Trump is exactly what he offers to replace: just another global elite with nothing but empty promises. Same for Bernie, actually, who promises a revolution he can't deliver or control even if he could spark it.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
9. Agree!
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

And, not just Iran-Contra being nothing. 9/11 was also nothing to them, but the other 9/11 (Benghazi) was everything!!

IronLionZion

(45,454 posts)
17. I googled "accomplishments of the Republican party" and got this nonsense
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/02/26/20-of-the-greatest-moments-in-the-history-of-the-republican-party-n1520352

because much of it happened in the last century when Abraham Lincoln was a very different type of Republican than the modern party.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
71. Wow
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

They listed Reagan's tax cuts as an accomplishment and retaliation in Afghanistan (2001). That's pretty sad.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
23. From what I'm seeing, the Republicans I know are even more determined to back the party.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

They'll never admit that the Democrats stand for what they believe more times than the Republicans. It's like they're rooting for their favorite football team or something - Just win baby! The end justifies the means.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
24. It's going to be reaaly strange as they move over to our party
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016

But it's possible they simply can't, being so tied to the brand.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
62. Same here...
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

We keep hoping for the death of the GOP, but it isn't happening. When it is lying on the ground with a stake through its head, then I will believe it.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
75. Two GOP parties is what we have but one of them calls itself
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

DLC/Third Way. If Trump wins he will kill the GOP that has arisen with the T-baggers. I then think that the conservative DLC/Third Way conservatives and the remaining Rs will be the new R party.

That leaves the question of rather there will be a Democratic Party left at all. Especially as much of the left side of our party seems to be leaving for greener grounds.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
73. They are so brainwashed
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

by right-wing media that they'll stubbornly double down for their "team", rather than let evil liberals take over their world. Your analogy about "favorite football team" seems to fit.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
105. YEP
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:52 AM
May 2016

That is exactly how it plays out, like a jard core homer college or pro sports fan and their favorite team's rival.

NOTHING the rival can do is valid or recognized.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
26. Wake Up. They Always Say This
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016

But Clinton or Obama always allows their name to be rehabilitated. I wonder why.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
34. Kick your enemy when he's down and he's 'inspired' to get back up?
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

I think in politics the best course of action is to let your enemy reach the conclusion that they're done for all on their own. We're nearly there, I think.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
31. It will be a shame, but the GOP will soldier on..with help from their "friends"
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016
There never was any real connection between the George Wills, Andrew Sullivans and David Brookses and the gun-toting, Jesus-loving ex-middle-class voters they claimed to embrace. All those intellectuals ever did for Middle America was cook up a sales pitch designed to get them to vote for politicians who would instantly betray them to business interests eager to ship their jobs off to China and India. The most successful trick was linking the corporate mantra of profit without responsibility to the concept of individual liberty.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/r-i-p-gop-how-trump-is-killing-the-republican-party-20160518#ixzz49OL64ES3
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alfredo

(60,074 posts)
38. We don't need a one party system. A weakened GOP is good enough for me.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

The GOP wanted to kill the Democratic party and it appears they have destroyed themselves. They always overreach.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
57. Totally agree we do not want a one party system
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

In a country with 330 million people around 180 million voters, we won't have a one party. At best the GOP will become smaller and regional. Right now our country is split 50-50 but I see the country going 40-60 democratic. But the GOP won't literally die and go away. It just won't in a two system we have.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
68. They don't have the capacity to self correct. It is never their own fault.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

Michael Steele tried to get them to mend their ways, but they just doubled down on the hate.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
55. People can talk all they want about how this is the end for the repug party
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

after Bush and Cheney were allowed to defile the white house, all bets have been off in my mind. This country is capable of allowing any lunatic in.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
108. I love this piece
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:56 AM
May 2016

it is always validating to hear or read the things that you personally see so viscerally.

That said, yeah, the death of the republican party is a fantasy I long have given up on.

They sell hatred, division and fear, a product that has been gold since the inception of human kind.

AND, this country is far too "fat." We live just far too conveniently, and we are like crack whores desperate to gobble up the product they pitch.



 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
82. "I know nothing about either Republicans or small towns", the article.
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

Reads about as humorously as the funny pages. This guy has never been in an actual small town outside of the one built of strawmen in his imagination, has he?

Assuming he. Can't be bothered to open an article that starts out so vacuously.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
90. I don't understand this. I am surprised at Taibbi, whom I enjoy greatly
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:03 PM
May 2016

A century ago, the KKK was still lynching people in small towns--andthe ones in the white robes very likely were not Republicans, either, though those being hung may well have been--if they could have voted. Not to mention WWI and the flu epidemic, etc. Women still couldn't vote, etc.

As far as the Republican Party being dead, the Republican Party reamed Democrats in 2010 and 2014 on the local, state and federal levels. If it's dead, it's doing a hell of an imitation of being not only alive, but alive and well.

I also don't understand the claim that the Republican Party dominated politics for the past 50 years.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
94. My prediction: Republicans will get thrashed this year, but rebuild for the next election.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Remember that everyone was proclaiming the death of the GOP when Nixon was forced to resign in the wake of Watergate. And the GOP got thrashed in the next election.

Then a few short years later came Reagan...

The GOP has a way of rebuilding and bouncing back after their self-induced disasters.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
109. 06/08
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:01 AM
May 2016

this board was awash in the death of the republicans ...

Then, they had the biggest mid terms congressional and state level washout we have seen in decades in 2010.

I never bought that the Rs were dead or anything, but christ sakes that was sobering.

They drove this country into the ground HARD during Bush II, and this country had no business giving them any power again for decades.

But, two years of them throwing a childlike hissy fit over BHO having the audacity to be POTUS and the country gave them ore power than they had my prior 40+ years.

The article is spot on what they are/have been.

But, this country will continue to indulge their childish stupidity at least through the rest of our lives.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
112. I hope you're right, but the polls say otherwise..
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016

this may be the second time the GOP sucker punches us with a media star.. I don't want to underestimate the appeal of "make America great again." Same thing the other movie star said, and he was pure puppet. This one's pure evil.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
96. I'm afraid that instead, this is a new dawn for the Republican party.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:37 AM
May 2016

They always tried to whitewash their worst traits but now Trump is giving them the freedom to spew all their hatred and bigotry out in the open. There's a large population of Americans that revel in being horrible to people who aren't their immediate neighbors and I think that Trump is going to attract more Americans to the Republican party rather than kill it.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
97. "They even sullied the word "American" by insisting they were the only real ones."
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:04 AM
May 2016

This is the one that has always got me pissed.
The GOP can care the fuck less about America.
Lying asshats!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
98. The libertarian wing of the Republican Party is the most intellectually
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:56 AM
May 2016

deficient of the whole bunch.

I met a young libertarian on a college campus while I was registering voters.

He said that he hates government. Thinks government isn't needed.

You know how you think of what you should have said only after the conversation has ended and you've gone home and had time to let your subconscious work it out?

Well, I realized that I should have asked him whether he thought slavery was OK. I expect he would have said no. Then I should have asked him, well, if you don't have government, who is going to prevent it? In fact, unless you have government and regulation, the rich, strong, powerful and totally self-interested libertarian heroes would enslave everyone they could. The only thing that prevents that is government.

Government doesn't just prevent the obvious form of human slavery. It also prevents more subtle forms of human slavery -- like the extremes of environmental destruction, health hazards, sexual and child abuse, criminal neglect in the workplace, usury (not always in the US) and many other horrible practices that history shows us that the cruel will inflict on those they view as weak and needy if we don't have government.

I wish I had asked the question when I had the chance: how do you prevent slavery if you don't have government?

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
104. only issue I have (it is nitpicking sorta) is that it has NOT been 50 years of Rethug domination
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:59 AM
May 2016






Composition of Congress, by Political Party, 1965–2017






they still are rotters and can sod off, great post
 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
111. K&R..
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:41 AM
May 2016

because I see a rightward leaning apologist calling simple factual information "unhinged"... deal with it, this is still a liberal site (I THINK)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
114. The demise of the Republican Party is greatly exaggerated.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

Repubs own both houses of congress, and many state houses and governors' mansions.

They don't have the White House. Not yet.

The Republican Party is doing fine. They'll survive having Trump as a candidate, and possibly as a president.

And, I hope they continue to do fine. If the Republican Party folds, think of the riffraff that will seek refuge as Democrats.

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