identify with destroying the system.

They don't care what he says as long as he's against the system...which is against them.
Everything else is immaterial..he's fighting and he's convinced them that he's on their side.

Thats all that matters.

well, and it's IMO a very serious situation. Logic will not work with them as their main goal is destruction at any cost, not realizing they may be destroyed in the process.

what scares me is that there are also people on the left who think destroying the system is a good strategy.

But that seems like a very bad strategy to me.
We cannot predict or control what arises out of the environment.
It can easily be worse that what we have today.

I've read a number of analysis which suggest that these type of events...lead to an even more conservative outcome.

I know that slow change is frustrating...I'm sitting here still waiting for an equal rights amendment.
I'm still waiting for equal pay.

But I'd rather creep along slowly than risk what progress we've already made.
And while that progress has been uneven and not always satisfying..progress has in fact been made.

dictators rise and use any means to suppress descent. In short, the US would become one hellhole.

..if you happen to be homeless, or a victim of mass incarceration, or a Black
person who's just been gunned-down in the street by a racist cop, or so wracked
with poverty and/or ill health without health insurance that suicide begins to
look attractive.

delusional.

Wanting to maintain a system that is designed to screw you in every way possible and reduce the entirety of the population to de facto slaves in the service of an above-the-law wealthy elite is not healthy.

really counter-productive.

You are so right: that destructive impulse is a large part of Trump's appeal. People are so furious that they just want to tear down the whole darned system.

When Nader suggested in 2000 that if a Bush presidency was bad enough it would force a turn toward a better system, he was wrong. It just gave the worst elements a stronger hold on power--and paved the way for the illegal war in Iraq, Darth Cheney's stranglehold over policy, the appointment of a whole army of right wing civil servants to positions where they are still doing untold harm, and the appointment of Roberts and Alito to the SCOTUS.

We can't afford another such mistake. If he were to become president, Trump would do whatever will benefit himself, and since he is a member of the oligarchy, that means he will do whatever will benefit his own class, not what would benefit the 99%.

i just fear the consequences will be worse than today


We have one existential threat - global warming

Our national threat is not income inequality...thats a symptom
Our national threat is fundamental failure of the electorial system
I'm not talking open versus closed primaries
I'm talking about gerrymandering
the gutting of the voting act

the majority of congress is not accountable to anyone since they are sitting pretty in a gerrymandered district with incumbent advantage

I frequently think I'd rather congress was filled like a jury...
you're turn came up...you have to show up be queried and if you are selected...you serve

http://www.amazon.com/YEARS-CITY-Pohl/dp/0671876392

there was an old Sci-Fi story. Can't remember the name or the author, but the idea was that on Election Day, the supercomputers that basically ran the world, picked one person to be 'the elector', interviewed him/her (of course back then it was always a him) and from his responses picked the President, Congress, and so on.

Anyone else remember that one?

that it is even as remotely "noble" as wanting to "destroy the system."

Trump is a super advanced embodiment of what republicanism has done to this country.

This isn't about breaking the system, that gives them too much credit.

It is the next de evolution in justifying the biases, bigotry and small mindedness of a country that lives a distracted life of convenience and self indulgence.

90s - republicanism was that the founding fathers wanted.
00s - devolved to do what we say or your hate america and love terrorists
08 to 15 - devolved into wake up in the morning, get a sense of worst thing you can think of and blame it on BHO
16 - devolved into full out, aimless stupid ...

For people who say that we're better than that, I say no we're not. We are mean, petty, willfully gleefully ignorant. We deserve our dystopian future.

we're selfish, greedy, and enjoy looking down on others to prop up our battered self-esteem

Time, and watching how things have unfolded over the 50 years of my life, has eroded any possible romantic notion that this country is anything other than what you note ...

Psychopathic narcissists, you just described the whole Republick party. They have the perfect candidate.

How many trillions of dollars do we have to spend on war? How many lives have to be lost in war? How many people have to starve due to cuts in social services before we demand we reverse course?

... yet you say beating Trump would be easy if the democratic party were united. That puts this post in GDP territory.

Why is the party divided? One campaign has been based on dividing the party as much as possible and to - and unify it later. One campaign went to great lengths to call any argument against it misgynist/sexist. Saying, "Trump is bad" doesn't erase all that stuff, plus there are some very real concerns that "Hillary is bad" and not about to do the country any good.

There have been some comments about "destroying the system." Why should people prop up a system that has been destroying them for decades? Income inequality is increasing fast. Hillary won't touch this and to think that she will is insanity. In the long (or not so long) term, the system will destroy itself, just as systems that prop up the rich and powerful more and more have been destroyed for millenia. Maybe it's time to chop off the festering, pus-ridden appendages and grow new ones. I won't vote for Trump, so maybe my "strategy" is to let the whole body die so something else can grow in its place.

posts regarding the primary should go in GDP.

misery loves company crowd. think about how freaking miserable these teatards are....we suffer everybody suffers!!

have agreed to work together to privatize all public assets

just like some states - turnpikes, bridges, buildings, lotteries, sewers, water systems

On the Federal level it's more like buildings, federal lands, national parks, highways,
road construction (a recurring Trump theme), prisons, schools, USPS, railroads

Everything! We'll pay forever to bigger overlords than Trump

At least if you didn't want to contribute you could stay out of the casinos

Look for Joe the Plumber to resurface with a jobs plan - trans restrooms in every
public building

we are cooked if we lose this election

It will pile on the exploitation like never before

It's all become a ghastly t.v. reality show of horrors. Not at all funny.

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche

This group of psychopaths led by Trump are worse than any that came before them. More than anything what they want is to use nuclear weapons. That is their goal, nuke a few countries and use that as an excuse to enslave the masses here and abroad.

Yep, it has been building for some time, and we are approaching a perfect storm, all because some petulant jack asses claim they won't vote for candidate X because they want candidate Y to win.

But what is American to do?

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We need to understand just who we are! The misconceptions are huge and, frankly, as silly as anything Trump can come up with. For instance, two little examples:

1. Not even close on Hillary's ideology. We are nominating a candidate who averages out as a firm/strong liberal in every honest study.

"Hillary Clinton was the 11th most liberal member of Congress" -- and that's in THIS Congress on the far right where the Democratic caucus is more liberal than it has been in 100 years.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

2. We're not really in an ugly war with ourselves. That is a media distortion to keep interest stoked. By far most Democrats, the proportion expected when this all started in fact, intend to vote for our nominee, and this has been demonstrated by various relatively high-quality studies and polls.

The vote is the only thing that counts, and the "ugly" will mostly just disappear from discussion when the media move on with the GE.

Cyrano, we are doing pretty well overall. The GOP is in the toilet, and that ascending blue line points to most of the cause. They have gone batshit crazy, adopting ideology that was previously neither even close to mainstream nor even respectable and that is both dysfunctional and incompatible with democracy, and with the 21st century.

Don't get sucked into the giant whirlpool of factional and commercial disinformation. Tack down just a few facts you can evaluate huge claims from, like the number of Democrats expected to vote for our nominee, and you can dismiss most of the "insanity" for the nonsense it is.

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein


Since Trump isn't part of the Establishment, maybe they are trying something different.

Z

God help us and the US if that orange cretin gets elected with republicans controlling all the branches. Say goodbye to social security, Medicare, minimum wage, environmental protections and get ready for endless wars and a poisoning and destructionof our country. Those FEMA camps might become a reality with trumpster wanting to go after his critics.

creation to draw audience and will disappear when the media move on to the GE. Sanders will do some things, no doubt, to try to get attention, but once he's out of the race, he's off center stage.

'free market' brand of capitalism supported by the 'slightly to the right centrists' is a far greater threat to this nation than the specter of a Trump presidency. Look around - broken institutions everywhere, the schools, massive student debt, the false idea that Social Security is driving us 'broke,' the 'there weren't enough votes' lie that gave us Obamacare (the truth is that it was against GATS, which Third Way Dems in droves supported in 1995).

We're NOT better off now by any means. Middle and lower incomes have gone down while the few at the top have had stratospheric rises in their incomes and wealth.

Big corporations are now able to 'offshore' profits and not pay any US income tax.

Drug and healthcare insurance prices have gone off the charts, and now even Americans 'lucky' enough to have insurance have shitty, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays. The ONLY thing that's better about Obamacare than what we had before is that a few more people are 'covered.' But they'd STILL better not get sick, or they will be broke.

'Free trade' agreements like GATS, NAFTA, and CAFTA have cost this nation hundreds of thousands of good jobs - the kind you could actually get ahead on, raise a family on, and have reasonable economic security with. These jobs have been replaced by lower paying service jobs with fewer benefits and decidedly less economic security.

No, the 'slightly to the right centrists' in both Democratic and Republican parties have become so corrupt they've allowed what democracy we had in this republic to be so seriously compromised that the nation might not be able to recover.

All we have going for us is one voice in the wilderness, Bernie Sanders, who is telling the truth. Will we be smart enough to listen? Will we have the moral fortitude to fight a sustained battle against the forces of oligarchy for the soul of this 'great experiment' that is the USA, or will we quietly fall with a whimper?

Trump isn't the threat, Cyrano, though he has awakened the forces of fascism. This country took the path to insanity with the rise of the Third Way, and the abandonment of working class Americans by the Democratic party.

That's Trumpf in a nutshell.

lead to this.