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Takket

(21,577 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:10 PM May 2016

Drinking milk at school: while black

*sigh*

http://boingboing.net/2016/05/23/drinking-milk-while-black-stu.html

Virginia authorities handcuffed a middle school student and charged him with larceny for "stealing" a milk carton from the school cafeteria earlier this year. The child has also been suspended from school.

In Prince William County, Virgina, the boy's mother Shamise Turk say police handcuffed and charged her son Ryanwith stealing a carton of milk from the school cafeteria. The school normally charges students 65 cents per carton for milk. But Ryan Turk is allowed to drink it for free, because he's registered on the school's lunch program.

Ms. Turk says one day Ryan went back to the lunch line to get his milk, and a Prince William County police officer approached him and accused him of stealing it.

Police say officers then handcuffed Ryan because the student "broke the rules and became disorderly," according to local news reports.

Virginia is a racist state. I know. I grew up there. For many of the area's Trump voters, it is still the proud capital of the White Southern Confederacy.

Ryan Turk told a local television news reporter that yes, he did pull back when the officer grabbed him.

"I yanked away from him I told him to get off of me because he's not my dad,” Ryan said.

Shamise Turk says her son was then taken to the principal's office, where officials searched the student for drugs. The school principal says "he was acting inappropriately."

"Because he was fidgety, kept pulling on the strings of his pants, and laughing when we were trying to talk to him and just wouldn't talk,” Shamise Turk said.

The school suspended her son for "theft, being disrespectful and using his cell phone."

The Prince William County Schools spokesman says, "the need for disciplinary action is determined by how a student behaves throughout any given incident...an appeals process is in place to ensure the fairness of any disciplinary action."

His mother says they're insane.

Police told her the larceny charge is because he tried to "conceal" the milk, which Ryan denies.

He cannot go to school, and if the charges are upheld, he has a juvenile record and will have trouble getting into college or finding employment, among a host of other damaging things this does to young black men in America. "I'm angry, I'm frustrated, I'm mad. It just went too far. They are charging him with larceny, which I don't have no understanding as to why he is being charged with larceny when he was entitled to that milk from the beginning," said Ms. Turk.

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Drinking milk at school: while black (Original Post) Takket May 2016 OP
Fucking KKKeystone KKKops. Violent Barnie Fifes. WTF! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #1
K & R. nt tblue37 May 2016 #2
Naw, as we say, He went to the back of the "lunchline." You know? Like goin 2 the back of the buss Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #14
Jeez nt MrScorpio May 2016 #3
They have private prisons to fill malaise May 2016 #4
There's that today. rusty quoin May 2016 #17
+1,000 malaise May 2016 #23
Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton AntiBank May 2016 #73
this private prison shit has got to stop. lakeguy May 2016 #76
nor does the profit motive for healthcare AntiBank May 2016 #77
The belief in a moral imperative to have more than one needs, ronnie624 May 2016 #93
Yes, it's almost as if those remarks about "superpredators" were part of a wider problem. Betty Karlson May 2016 #85
And therein lies the problem malaise May 2016 #88
I wonder how fast the school scrambled to come up with those excuses to cover cstanleytech May 2016 #5
This shouldn't be allowed to stop here. There was no reason to go after this child. Judi Lynn May 2016 #6
I think he feared for his life. DhhD May 2016 #94
"His mother says they're insane." wildeyed May 2016 #7
It is insane. Give me a break! StrictlyRockers May 2016 #97
I agreed with the mom. wildeyed May 2016 #98
You assumed I'm disagreeing with you or misinterpreted your intent? StrictlyRockers Jun 2016 #104
You're the only one who said the T-word. wildeyed Jun 2016 #105
Same StrictlyRockers Jun 2016 #106
Peace n/t wildeyed Jun 2016 #107
Incredible left-of-center2012 May 2016 #8
A free carton of milk since he was on the Federal food assistance program. DhhD May 2016 #95
It's FREE milk lapislzi May 2016 #96
Get the fucking police out of our schools. cui bono May 2016 #9
so very true rurallib May 2016 #37
To teach that "respect for authority" they have to double down for minor things csziggy May 2016 #44
Well, it's a double edged sword. Cassiopeia May 2016 #56
Flashback: Clinton Pledges Funds to Add Police to Schools AntiBank May 2016 #74
Defraud people of billions angrychair May 2016 #10
Shouldn't have cops in schools.. Machineland May 2016 #11
I'm spitting nails here, but.... ReRe May 2016 #20
In humane countries like France and Sweden, they feed all the kids lostnfound May 2016 #22
The problem is that in France and Sweden, they gear their children up to succeed, The US wants their LiberalArkie May 2016 #29
SkolmatSverige (School Food Sweden) AntiBank May 2016 #75
wow, imagine thinking that feeding children and providing education is important. what concepts!! niyad May 2016 #81
Someone please contact someone lastone May 2016 #12
+100 Duppers May 2016 #42
A worse dilemma occurs in a DWB close encounter of the legal kind... Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #13
he needs to sue the school district ...... FOR MILLIONS and put the $$$$ into a trust fund. trueblue2007 May 2016 #15
The story doesn't document the allegation racism was involved Albertoo May 2016 #16
Prince William County is one of the worst underpants May 2016 #28
Possibly, but the article doesn't provide evidence in this one case Albertoo May 2016 #59
The story is focusing on the actions of one policeman and some school authorities. pnwmom May 2016 #38
The cop was wrong on common decency grounds, not racism Albertoo May 2016 #61
The case for racial bias has been well documented in research. Whether that was a factor here pnwmom May 2016 #63
The OP insinuates racism was the primary factor; it's not cool Albertoo May 2016 #64
Ironic, since the cop presumed guilt. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #65
Two wrongs never made a right Albertoo May 2016 #66
The cop had the greater responsibility because he's an adult authority figure. pnwmom May 2016 #68
We agree on that: the cop was wrong. Racism was just added to the mix, don't know why. Albertoo May 2016 #69
No racism was involved? awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #49
Kindly direct me to the article sentence proving racism Albertoo May 2016 #62
Racism can exist awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #70
Did I say racism does not exist? I just noted there's no evidence of it here. Albertoo May 2016 #72
Quick honest question Separation May 2016 #99
lol La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #90
I doubt so. I'm just taking texts at face value. Albertoo May 2016 #91
it's as though you expect people to walk around with a sign that says 'im doing this out of racism' La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #92
Bigoted, racist SCUM. PatrickforO May 2016 #18
Yay, cops! TransitJohn May 2016 #19
How horrible. lostnfound May 2016 #21
Well, that'll teach him. Orrex May 2016 #24
The days have really changed. When I was in school back in jwirr May 2016 #25
"His mother says they're insane." CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #26
+1 katsy May 2016 #27
She's the only sane voice in this whole foofaraw. Warpy May 2016 #51
Schools have cops policing the cafeteria? WTF??? cleanhippie May 2016 #30
"Virginia is a racist state" Freddie Stubbs May 2016 #31
Sixty five cents a carton?! Let that sink in. JohnnyRingo May 2016 #32
Why are all these cops putting their hands on children? My Good Babushka May 2016 #33
The police presence in schools is from the DARE program Jesus Malverde May 2016 #86
Here is the. Contact ino fo Graham Park Middle School. Lint Head May 2016 #34
What a bunch of racist assholes. blackspade May 2016 #35
+1,000 AgadorSparticus May 2016 #67
It's Not Just Poor Kids Abused in the Schools becca656 May 2016 #36
why can't they just admit their faults and reverse it retrowire May 2016 #39
Get in line. snort May 2016 #40
65 cents is a felony? malthaussen May 2016 #41
His problem was he did not take enough Angry Dragon May 2016 #43
Do not forget me. Do not forget my name. 24601! Feeling the Bern May 2016 #60
"I don't have no understanding as to why he is being charged with larceny" Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #45
The principal and cop should be fired. Ye Gods, what little minds some people have. nt Fla Dem May 2016 #46
This shouldn't happen to any middle school student no matter what color or gender. Stainless May 2016 #47
Cops are nasty to all races...nt Jesus Malverde May 2016 #87
Explain to the children how we do not live in a police state and this is the Land of the Free. Rex May 2016 #48
What the hell are cops doing in a middle school lunchroom? Blue_Tires May 2016 #50
That's what I would like to know. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #53
Unbeknownst to Ryan, he had enrolled at a school known for servitude, not science. jtuck004 May 2016 #52
There is... gregcrawford May 2016 #54
Why is a police officer patrolling the lunch line of a middle school cafeteria? oberliner May 2016 #55
Too many cops are threatened by too many things to be cops in the first place uponit7771 May 2016 #57
So unjust it makes me sick. senz May 2016 #58
I hope Shamise Turk and her son Ryan get lots of money for this. raging moderate May 2016 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein May 2016 #78
thanks for the contact info. made good use of it. niyad May 2016 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #79
"broke the rules and became disorderly," Alkene May 2016 #80
Whoa, so he's like the Scarface of school milk, right? Right? ck4829 May 2016 #83
And not one teacher to stand with him.... peace13 May 2016 #84
"Resource Officers" -- cops -- should not be in public schools. n/t MrModerate May 2016 #89
What the actual fuck lykemike May 2016 #100
If the cop thought the boy was stealing the milk, Blue Dalek May 2016 #101
eh.... LiberalNotLibertine May 2016 #102
Free Legal Advice: SUE THE BASTARDS! Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #103
 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
17. There's that today.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:46 PM
May 2016

But the whole country seems a lot meaner today. Civil rights should have been a progression, but the stuff which happens now is regression.

The video of Tamir Rice was obvious, yet there are sides. Oh Hell, a boy being cuffed by a police man, and then booted from school, for milk? These are all too many WTF events that too many Americans are use to.

I hope it's like the phenomenon of a star burning out is at it's brightest before it's death. But this getting worse before better...I can't see the end.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
73. Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:47 AM
May 2016
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/

As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.

Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group could both see their fortunes turning if there are fewer people to lock up in the future.

Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.

Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.

As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court
.

Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.

Hillary Clinton has a complicated history with incarceration. As first lady, she championed efforts to get tough on crime. “We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders,” Clinton said in 1994. “The ‘three strikes and you’re out’ for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets,” she added.

lakeguy

(1,640 posts)
76. this private prison shit has got to stop.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:17 AM
May 2016

when the whole basis for existence is to make a profit, there's no way private prisons make sense in a just society.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
93. The belief in a moral imperative to have more than one needs,
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

is about as illogical and barbaric as it gets.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
85. Yes, it's almost as if those remarks about "superpredators" were part of a wider problem.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:29 AM
May 2016

One that is still ongoing. Too bad we collectively are too frightened to do anything about it.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
6. This shouldn't be allowed to stop here. There was no reason to go after this child.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:03 PM
May 2016

He should NOT be harmed for not knowing how to react to a freakish situation.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
98. I agreed with the mom.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:23 AM
May 2016

She said they were insane and I said "what she said", meaning I agreed with what she said. Got it?

StrictlyRockers

(3,855 posts)
104. You assumed I'm disagreeing with you or misinterpreted your intent?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

Wow. I'm totally just agreeing with you more here.

WTF interwebs peeps, stop assuming everyone is a troll.

I apologize if my phrasing was unclear.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
9. Get the fucking police out of our schools.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

They are doing more harm than good. But I suppose the reason they are there is to train youngsters, particularly those "unruly" PoC to "respect" authority.

This nation is so close to being a police state, it just keeps getting worse and worse.

.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
37. so very true
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

and many of those in authority are on a power trip just waiting for a chance to show it off.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
44. To teach that "respect for authority" they have to double down for minor things
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:41 PM
May 2016

The school as much as says that outright (from the article linked in the OP):

Police say officers then handcuffed Ryan because the student "broke the rules and became disorderly," according to local news reports.

<SNIP>

"Because he was fidgety, kept pulling on the strings of his pants, and laughing when we were trying to talk to him and just wouldn't talk,” Shamise Turk said.

The school suspended her son for "theft, being disrespectful and using his cell phone."

The Prince William County Schools spokesman says, "the need for disciplinary action is determined by how a student behaves throughout any given incident...an appeals process is in place to ensure the fairness of any disciplinary action."

(Emphasis added by me.)

So the kid pulled back after the cop grabbed him for no rational reason. Then the kid did not display the proper deference when he was taken to the office so he was suspended and charged with a crime. For a box of milk that he was supposed to get for FREE!

I agree with, "His mother says they're nuts."

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
56. Well, it's a double edged sword.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

We can also look at as training. The police are not to be trusted and we need to know and exercise our rights. Better to learn that as a child before the lesson gets attached to your record as an adult.

(I'm with you though. The cops in school was just starting when I was a senior in HS. I can't imagine what school is like today)

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
74. Flashback: Clinton Pledges Funds to Add Police to Schools
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:51 AM
May 2016
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323

WASHINGTON — Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems.

"In our national struggle against youth violence we must not fail our children; our future depends on it," the president said in his weekly radio address.

Clinton announced that he and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton will host a White House conference on teenagers on May 2 to "talk through the challenges of raising responsible children."

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
10. Defraud people of billions
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

Your a New York investment banker.

Make millions in 20 minute speeches from said bankers you can be a presidential candidate.

Take a 65¢ milk and your a criminal for life.


There is no peace and prosperity until we all have a piece of prosperity.

 

Machineland

(53 posts)
11. Shouldn't have cops in schools..
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:29 PM
May 2016

Unless you can afford a lawyer to follow your child around just in case your kid gets pulled over in the hallway.

This is not funny and is one of the reasons I pulled my kids out of school and are home schooling them now. Last year one of my daughters school here in Tennessee sent home a paper to the parents asking who they were voting for. It asked all kinds of private questions about who I was voting for and asked me to circle the candidate I was voting for. It had Trump, Hillary Bernie and others on it. I refused to sign it and fill it out. Sent it back with my child, only for the teacher to remind my child that she would get a zero over me not filling it out. AS IT WAS FOR A GRADE! She sent it home again. I then called the Election Board and the principal of the school. I found out it was illegal for her to do that. Cops were in the school. You would have thought she would have went to jail. All we got out of it was the principal assured me that she wasn't going to give her a grade on it. And that she filled it out for me and signed it so that the homework was turned in. I also found out that she bad mouthed Bernie supporters in her class.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
20. I'm spitting nails here, but....
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:28 AM
May 2016

... something you said in the top line of your response to the OP set me to thinking:

How would it be to require that a child advocacy lawyer be on duty each and every day of the school year to settle silly shite like this? Kids aren't criminals. They are kids, damnit.

If a kid isn't on free and reduced lunches because a parent didn't turn the paperwork back in for whatever reason and decided to just send the lunch money with the kids every day or weekly, and is late and forgets to give them the lunch money, that kid should be able to eat.

There's dozens of scenarios we've heard of over the effing years that leave kids feeling absolutely horrible and defeated, and sometimes even hungry and thirsty. What a cruel place to have to send your kids to school at while you work.

If the school doesn't have the money to pay a child ombudsman in the richest country in the effing world, then have a kind preacher on call who can get to the bottom of incidents like this at a moments notice.

Where was the effing counselor? Another person they can't afford today in our children's schools? We're going backwards!

lostnfound

(16,184 posts)
22. In humane countries like France and Sweden, they feed all the kids
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:46 AM
May 2016

Healthy meals. Because kids deserve food.

Only thing we socialize readily here is a massive war machine.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
29. The problem is that in France and Sweden, they gear their children up to succeed, The US wants their
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

public school children to fail. Only private schools are geared to get children to succeed.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
75. SkolmatSverige (School Food Sweden)
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:06 AM
May 2016
http://www.skolmatsverige.se/in-english

SkolmatSverige translates as "School Food Sweden" and is an innovative web-based system that allows schools and municipalities to evaluate their school food provision in a comprehensive and holistic way.


The main aim of the system is to support schools in their work to provide good school meals. The secondary aims are to follow school meal quality over time, and to conduct research on the importance of school meals.

Below follows a description of the tool or you can skip to our latest results!



Description of the tool
The aim with the instrument is to gather information not just on the nutritional content but also on other aspects of quality. The tool acknowledges and reflects the relevance of school meals to the overall school experience.

The six areas or domains covered that each affect overall meal quality are:

the choice that the school offers (Choice)
the nutritional quality of the food (Nutritional quality )
how the school ensures that food is safe and hygienic (Safe food)
how the school works to improve meal service, to take advantage of the school meal as a pedagogic resource, to see that pupils are involved etc (Meal service)
how much the school considers the environmental impact of food choices (Sustainable food)
issues regarding the organisation and management of the school meal service (Organisation and policy)

The instrument also includes questionnaires for the diners – pupils and staff.

snip

School lunches in Sweden have a long history

In Sweden, every child attending a primary school (between the ages of 6 and 15) is entitled to a free school lunch every day. This has been enshrined in the legislation that covers all aspects of schooling (the Education Act) since 1997. In reality the practice is much older than this, and school meals have been documented since the late 1800s.

The Education Act was updated relatively recently (1st July 2011) and since then, in addition to being free, school meals must also be "nutritious" (i.e., meet Swedish nutrition recommendations/Nordic nutrition recommendations).

From the Education Act: "Education shall be free. Pupils shall, without charge, have access to books and other teaching materials as well as to nutritious school meals" [translation ours].

niyad

(113,344 posts)
81. wow, imagine thinking that feeding children and providing education is important. what concepts!!
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016
 

lastone

(588 posts)
12. Someone please contact someone
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:29 PM
May 2016

Who can contact these people directly and assist them in setting up a go fund me page.

They need legal council.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
13. A worse dilemma occurs in a DWB close encounter of the legal kind...
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

Here, in New Mexico, Driving While Black (DWB) carries less consequences than it did in Alabama.

trueblue2007

(17,228 posts)
15. he needs to sue the school district ...... FOR MILLIONS and put the $$$$ into a trust fund.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

those racist pigs should be ashamed of what they did to that poor little boy.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
16. The story doesn't document the allegation racism was involved
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

While racism in Virginia isn't unheard of, it's not shown in this particular story.
As long as it's not, it's treating all Virginia cops as guilty until proven innocent.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
28. Prince William County is one of the worst
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

They have a long history of this sort of thing including institutional systematic abuses towards Latinos/Hispanics. It doesn't matter your status they think the are all "illegals". PW is basically a suburb of DC, while the rest of NoVa dealt with DC sprawling out and the workforce that came in to service the city PW did not. At all.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
38. The story is focusing on the actions of one policeman and some school authorities.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

It isn't "treating all Virginia cops as guilty until proven innocent."

But that's exactly what this cop did to this boy. Before grabbing him in the lunchline, he should have determined whether the boy was on free lunch or not. Instead, he assumed the boy was stealing.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
61. The cop was wrong on common decency grounds, not racism
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

At least, and that was my point, the case for a racial bias is not documented here

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
63. The case for racial bias has been well documented in research. Whether that was a factor here
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:21 PM
May 2016

might not ever be proven.

But there should be a high degree of suspicion.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
64. The OP insinuates racism was the primary factor; it's not cool
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

At least if you're a decent police officer in Virginia.
The presumption of guilt cannot be the default position.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
68. The cop had the greater responsibility because he's an adult authority figure.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

The kid is just a kid who took the milk he was entitled to. The cop should have asked the lunch supervisor whether the boy was free lunch or paid.

What the cop did was very wrong whether it was racially motivated or not.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
62. Kindly direct me to the article sentence proving racism
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

Other than than, I'm having a fair weather at present, thank you.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
70. Racism can exist
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

without being mentioned in an article. Do you really think they would have arrested my grandson (half white, half Hispanic that looks white and has a white last name) in the same situation? Then, came up with the lame excuse that he was fidgety because he was in the principal's office with a cop breathing down his neck? No, even had he stolen it, which the kid in the story didn't, at worst we would have received a phone call. If you think cops handle white and black people the same then you are either naive or not paying attention.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
72. Did I say racism does not exist? I just noted there's no evidence of it here.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:27 AM
May 2016

That cop is a dick. It is unknown at present if he's a racist dick.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
99. Quick honest question
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

Does the article mention the color of the police officer? What about the school employees that were involved?

Like stated before, the only thing that I got from the article was that the officer totally blew the situation out of hand and then made more ridiculous by the school's employees.

Now with that being said, I am in no way saying that racism does not exist or that there was racist motive by the school employees, however the article never mentioned any of that happening.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
91. I doubt so. I'm just taking texts at face value.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:19 AM
May 2016

And I do not try to inject my presuppositions, tastes or feelings in what I read.

A habit. Unaware it was so ridiculous.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
92. it's as though you expect people to walk around with a sign that says 'im doing this out of racism'
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

people who habitually minimize racism are enablers of this system of oppression.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
24. Well, that'll teach him.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

Teach him to be afraid of racist cops who will manufacture any pretense in order to bully and harass black students.

I'm amazed that they didn't pepper spray him or hit him with a taser.


Everyone in the chain of command in this case should be fired, and Ms. Turk should sue.


k/r

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. The days have really changed. When I was in school back in
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

the 50s our cooks knew who did not have enough to eat at home and made sure that they could come up for seconds at lunch. They also often took left overs that they could not use another day and boxed them to take home for the family.

One case I am thinking about was a family of 8 who's father was an alcoholic - deadbeat. Mother worked cleaning houses but her income was never enough to take care of this family.

Another was a farm family of four. Small family farms were going broke and this family was one of them.

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
31. "Virginia is a racist state"
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

It was the first state since reconstruction to elect an African-American Governor. And Obama carried the state twice.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
32. Sixty five cents a carton?! Let that sink in.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:04 PM
May 2016

Why isn't the milk supplied at cost, and who pockets the money?

I understand that poorer kids get it for a reduced price or free, but when an entire school district buys milk in such a huge bulk I'm sure the price would be lower than full retail at a convenience store.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
33. Why are all these cops putting their hands on children?
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

I thought police presence in schools was meant to keep violent criminals from coming in from the outside and making targets of these pupils and teachers. There are teachers, psychologists and counselors, or at least there should be, taking care of interpersonal student behavior issues. And police are not the judge, jury and executioner of the small claims courts they seem to have erected in their own minds. They should not be putting their hands on children in a violent manner, ever. Sixty-five cent milk "dispute". Wretched.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
86. The police presence in schools is from the DARE program
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:31 AM
May 2016

Back when baby boomers didn't want their kids smoking pot, during the 80's they bought into an armed propaganda program to teach kids that drugs are bad.

Drug abuse resistance education.

We can thank the dare program for helping to legalize cannabis. Two decades of lying to kids about cannabis and its effects brought about an activist community that has changed America for the better.

Most every inner city school has a "resource officer", often not found in more affluent schools.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
34. Here is the. Contact ino fo Graham Park Middle School.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

If you want to let them know what you think.

Mrs. Michelle Heindrichs
Assistant Principal
heindrmd@pwcs.edu

Maria Ramadane
Principal
ramadaml@pwcs.edu

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
35. What a bunch of racist assholes.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

None of the 'authorities' in this case seem to have any common sense at all, even beyond the obvious racism.

becca656

(3 posts)
36. It's Not Just Poor Kids Abused in the Schools
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

My oldest grandson has a learning disability. They have all the documentation on him at the school. They did the testing and set up his education plan to support his learning disability. Been in place for three years.

At the start of this school year, we believed that all the issues he'd had were now resolved. Within a week of school starting, the school administration accused him of being a bully, when he was the one being bullied and the attacker admitted that he'd been a bully to our child, and threatened his parents (my daughter and son in law) to call DCF because they didn't believe our other children were safe in the house with this child. My grandson was left feeling no one supported him at school and that they all hated him. Again, his bully admitted to his behavior and yet that child remained undisciplined and continues (according to reports) to attack other children.

We pulled all the children out of school immediately and found a wonderful magnet school at no expense to the family where he is now thriving and having the time of his life. He's learning too at a much faster pace than he was learning in public school.

Public schools today are a wreck because they are run by people who don't know the first thing about managing children. The minute the kids act like kids, they are punished without regard.



retrowire

(10,345 posts)
39. why can't they just admit their faults and reverse it
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:45 PM
May 2016

Before it ever gets this fucking far?

Because they're idiots and afraid to admit their reasonings.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
41. 65 cents is a felony?
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

Why don't we just start hanging people for stealing a loaf of bread? It was all the rage 300 years ago.

-- Mal

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
43. His problem was he did not take enough
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

If you are white and steal millions then you are considered a great business man

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
45. "I don't have no understanding as to why he is being charged with larceny"
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

To ruin his life.

They get off on that shit.

Stainless

(718 posts)
47. This shouldn't happen to any middle school student no matter what color or gender.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

Would the pig cop have reacted the same way if it was a white girl that did that?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
48. Explain to the children how we do not live in a police state and this is the Land of the Free.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

Good luck.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
53. That's what I would like to know.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

In the NYC school I worked in, we had an NYPD officer working security.

He NEVER intervened in non-violent situations. Ever.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
52. Unbeknownst to Ryan, he had enrolled at a school known for servitude, not science.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

Some nice private school will take him, however. And he will be better off. But the wound they inflicted on this kid that day will never heal. It shouldn't.

"His mother says they're insane." No they aren't. They are purposeful, deliberate, and have a tendency toward bullying. They have as much business being in charge of children as a roomful of pedophiles.

They are deliberately teaching that kid - and every other kid in their system - that hethey are not as good as everyone else, unless they have force and guns.Then it doesn't matter what they do. Like a rapist.

Doing a bang-up job of it too.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
54. There is...
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

... an especially toasty ring of the Inferno awaiting that malignant skid mark of a cop, and the despicable principal of this school. The magnitude of their evil can only be measured in astronomical terms.

Apologists for law enforcement (one of my stepsons is a cop; we don't agree on much) wonder why everyone hates their guts; this is why. To compound the atrocity of their actions, they lie through their teeth, deflect blame, and refuse to discipline those responsible.

These evil, bigoted bastards are hell-bent on starting a race war. When it breaks, the bigots will find out the hard way what a deadly marksman I am. And FUCK forgiveness, "Truth and Reconciliation," or any other media-manufactured "get out of jail free" card for these disgraceful wastes of skin. Give them a taste of the horrors they are so eager to visit upon the Black community. These cowards will foul their britches when confronted with what they have subjected Black people to on a daily basis for far, FAR too long.

They make me ashamed to be white, and for that, I have a ZERO tolerance policy.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
58. So unjust it makes me sick.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

I hope the publicity will bring pressure on the school authorities and help for Ryan.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
71. I hope Shamise Turk and her son Ryan get lots of money for this.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:34 PM
May 2016

There was absolutely no excuse for what any of the adults did in this situation.

Response to Takket (Original post)

Response to Takket (Original post)

Alkene

(752 posts)
80. "broke the rules and became disorderly,"
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

"theft (Ummm, no), being disrespectful and using his cell phone."

SMH

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
84. And not one teacher to stand with him....
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

He must be a lonely young man. Why wasn't there someone to defuse this situation. And I agree, why are cops putting their hands on students.

lykemike

(25 posts)
100. What the actual fuck
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

I've had it. Since Obama's first day in office, I've seen such vicious, evil hatred; and not entirely directed at the president.
Are police treating blacks this way in response to Obama's election? I mean, the country is bursting at the seams, it's so full of disgusting racist bigots.
How long can you witness hate, until you begin to hate back?

Blue Dalek

(178 posts)
101. If the cop thought the boy was stealing the milk,
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

the cop should have paid for the milk and gave the boy a smile. But noooooo!

102. eh....
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016

While I'm inclined to believe some of the story, this is only half a story. Its just as likely that this child demonstrated a high degree of disrespect and is selectively sharing his own narrative.

Seeing as his mother wasn't present to witness the incident, I'm unsure how her account is relevant to the story. Though I'm sure if he treated her like he treated the police officer and the school principal, I'm fairly confident that Mom would have slapped her son upside the head......and probably being well deserved.

I also don't embrace the encounter was motivated by racism. Even if it did happened in Virginia. I've seen racism all over this world, and it's not exclusive to any people or any geographic area. Continually using race card argument for every encounter, only diminishes those times when it does actually occur.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
103. Free Legal Advice: SUE THE BASTARDS!
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:52 AM
May 2016

Sue the school district and the school officials.
Sue the police jurisdiction and the individual cop for civil rights violations, using the parent as a plaintiff suing on behalf of a minor.

You are welcome.



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