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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 10:57 AM Jun 2012

From the small govt crew: A grand jury to get a naked statue removed from a park?!?!



Unbelievable. Even the resident conservative columnist agrees this is ridiculous.

This all started when a mom took her kids to this park and was outraged over this statue. She claims it encourages sexting. So she rallied supporters on the local tea party website and wrote a petition to have the statue removed. The city refused to remove it so now she is working with American Family Association to convene a grand jury. (In Kansas, citizens can gather signatures for a grand jury.)

A group opposed to the controversial statue in the Overland Park Arboretum says it will gather signatures to convene a grand jury, which will look into whether the statue violates Kansas law against promoting obscenity to children.

Putting this thing in the arbortem was a dumb idea — it would be right at home in a museum of contemporary art — but pressing for a grand jury? Even dumber. Opponents are overreacting, trapping themselves in a ridiculous position. Here we have a made-to-order story for the national media. The rubes in Kansas, they’re at it again!

Artist Yu Chang says her work, entitled “Accept or Reject,” deals with the tendency of women to objectify themselves. But the lurid, in-your-face quality of the piece is out of place in an arboretum.

The city seems to have dug in its heels, arguing that this is ART, dang it, and that’s it. It’s protected by the Constitution and all that. Well, it may be art but art isn’t fungible. Some pieces speak more deeply than others and “Accept or Reject,” in my opinion is pretty far from being great art. To hold a mirror up to the world’s crassness and vulgarity, it exhibits those qualities itself. I think Yu Chang is engaging in political commentary as well as art, and those two two usually don’t mix well.

“Accept or Reject” doesn’t belong in an arboretum. But the opponents’ decision to pursue a grand jury will only generate copy for journalists and bloggers, without accomplishing much else.


Read more here: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/grand-jury-ponder-arboretum-statue-please/#storylink=cpy


Here's a petition to KEEP the statue. Please sign it, even if you don't live in Overland Park. The petition to remove it had more signatures from non-residents than from folks who live here. Two can play at that game.

http://www.change.org/petitions/do-not-remove-the-sculpture-at-the-overland-park-arboretum
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From the small govt crew: A grand jury to get a naked statue removed from a park?!?! (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 OP
Proving once again that Tea Baggers have no idea that 'government' sinkingfeeling Jun 2012 #1
But when it's THEIR cause, no price is too much proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #2
Ah yes, the Tea Party -- Those self-styled defenders of the consitution and individual liberties Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #3
"...engaging in political commentary as well as art, and those two two usually don’t mix well." ret5hd Jun 2012 #4
yeah, i saw him sneak that bullshit line in, too Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #7
Exactly proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #9
I have to agree with this sentiment: MADem Jun 2012 #5
There was a thread on this a few weeks back metalbot Jun 2012 #6
I'd be in favor of removing it because it really isn't good artwork. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #8
I think it's an ugly statue. proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #10
interesting comment on the kansascity.com link badhair77 Jun 2012 #11
apparently Bellerophon Jun 2012 #13
I'm getting old. I agree. immoderate Jun 2012 #14
Is a shopping district an appropriate venue for naked statues? proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #18
Was the blouse necessary? (nt) sunnystarr Jun 2012 #12
It holds her up. immoderate Jun 2012 #15
Who says it "doesn't belong in an arboretum"?? Quantess Jun 2012 #16
a headless chopped up female? IcyPeas Jun 2012 #17
Love to help, but Change.org insists on third party scripts Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #19

ret5hd

(20,509 posts)
4. "...engaging in political commentary as well as art, and those two two usually don’t mix well."
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:01 AM
Jun 2012

No, that is when art works best.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. yeah, i saw him sneak that bullshit line in, too
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jun 2012

He seems to be more of the "Hey, cut it out teabaggers, you're embarrassing our side!" type of slant rather than standing up for artistic expression...

I think if the teabaggers could have gotten the statue removed without all the publicity, he'd be just fine with that...

And shame on the bass-ackwards woman who got fainting spells because her daughter saw some bronze nip-nips....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. I have to agree with this sentiment:
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:03 AM
Jun 2012
Putting this thing in the arbortem was a dumb idea — it would be right at home in a museum of contemporary art — but pressing for a grand jury? Even dumber.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
6. There was a thread on this a few weeks back
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:04 AM
Jun 2012

There were not a small number of DU members who also felt it was inappropriate for a park.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
8. I'd be in favor of removing it because it really isn't good artwork.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:11 AM
Jun 2012

The slicing thing just doesn't work and the artist doesn't seem to know what boobs really look like. Doesn't he/she have an Internet connection? That doesn't even qualify for "modern art". If you're going to make a semi-nude statue, do it RIGHT, dammit!

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
10. I think it's an ugly statue.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:16 AM
Jun 2012

But that's not the point.

Do you support spending money on a grand jury to have it removed?

badhair77

(4,220 posts)
11. interesting comment on the kansascity.com link
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:45 AM
Jun 2012

"How ironic that a Chinese artist had to come to the United States to have her work censored."

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
14. I'm getting old. I agree.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:39 PM
Jun 2012

Time was, I would have fought for this. But it's a park where kids play in Kansas City. Maybe it's putting a lot on the adult.

OTH, kids accept almost any explanation with grace. It's the adults that have problems.

--imm

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
18. Is a shopping district an appropriate venue for naked statues?
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 05:14 PM
Jun 2012

The Country Club Plaza in KC is one of the most well known shopping districts in the country.

The Country Club Plaza (often referred to as The Plaza) is an upscale shopping district and residential neighborhood in Kansas City, Missouri, USA. It was the first shopping center in the world designed to accommodate shoppers arriving by automobile.[1] The 55 acre (223,000 m²) site is about four miles (6.44 km) south of downtown, between 45th and 51st streets to the north and south and between Broadway and Madison Street to the east and west. The Kansas state line is one mile (1.6 km) to the west. Established in 1922 by J. C. Nichols and designed architecturally after Seville, Spain, the Plaza comprises high-end retail establishments, restaurants, and entertainment venues, as well as offices.[2] The neighborhoods surrounding the Plaza consist of apartment buildings and upscale houses, especially those of the Country Club District built along Ward Parkway on the Plaza's southern and southwestern side. The Country Club Plaza is named in the Project for Public Spaces' list 60 of the World's Great Places.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_Club_Plaza


The Plaza is also noted for numerous art work and statues, many of naked people. There is even a fountain that depicts a little boy peeing!



Is this an appropriate setting for a naked child?

How about these other statues on The Plaza? Are they appropriate in a shopping district frequented by families with children? If you say yes, then please explain why THIS artwork is appropriately placed, yet the statue at the park is not.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File omona_Fountain_by_Donatello_Gabbrielli_Kansas_City_MO.jpg

Oh no! Nipples! Naked bottoms!


Quantess

(27,630 posts)
16. Who says it "doesn't belong in an arboretum"??
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:48 PM
Jun 2012

It's fine for an outdoor park.

The statue has nether-regions of a barbie doll (no details). So we can see details of the breasts, big deal. It is a social commentary. I am pretty sure her children have seen more damaging imagery on television!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
19. Love to help, but Change.org insists on third party scripts
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jun 2012

to sign their petitions (to use most of their site actually). They've outsourced their web presence, and all methods of contact, how very progressive of them.
K&R

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