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packman

(16,296 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:55 AM May 2016

Stop paying on your student debt then....



Student loans (average $37k) are now the second-largest source of personal debt in the U.S.—more than credit card and auto loan debt, and trailing only mortgage debt. If you decide, shit on that I'm not paying then...

You’ll get deeper in debt.
Your credit score will suffer.
You’ll eventually go into default.
Private loan lenders don’t have the same collection powers as the federal government, but they can sue the borrower. If a suit is successful, they can use whatever means are available under state law to collect the judgment.
Kiss your tax refund goodbye.
Your wages may be garnished by the government.
Any co-borrowers are in as much trouble as you are.
You may be sued.
You’ll be haunted by this debt until you die.

And the above is just the things that will happen to you - on a national level if every debt holder decided to not repay, more disaster and even on a global level has a ripple effect.

More detail at:

https://features.wearemel.com/what-would-happen-if-we-all-stopped-paying-our-student-loans-be9ff77ef33b#.45jd9cmt8
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Stop paying on your student debt then.... (Original Post) packman May 2016 OP
Federal debt non repayment will Silver_Witch May 2016 #1
We had a young person in our family who had the opportunity.... peace13 May 2016 #2
What job did she take? tazkcmo May 2016 #4
She had just earned her PHD in Physical Therapy. peace13 May 2016 #11
My wife did something of similar consequence GummyBearz May 2016 #14
My best to you! peace13 May 2016 #16
I just don't get it GummyBearz May 2016 #17
Yes, well this young woman was married to my son. peace13 May 2016 #22
Other than sex trafficking, manufacturing meth, puppy fracking, or promoting Trump, what job would FSogol May 2016 #6
Physical Therapy! peace13 May 2016 #12
Is it time? tazkcmo May 2016 #3
The thing about regular debt forgiveness is the unwanted consequences. Igel May 2016 #13
Capitalism: It's Really Fucking Expensive. HughBeaumont May 2016 #5
"...if every debt holder decided to not repay..." Iggo May 2016 #7
No, I didn't pay 3-4K in student loans when I was young and dumb snooper2 May 2016 #8
For every action, there is always a reaction liberal N proud May 2016 #9
Really? Orrex May 2016 #10
I've read something on this GummyBearz May 2016 #15
For Federal Loans and Public Debt they are forgiven upon death of the borrower. Sam_Fields May 2016 #19
So my wife's going to murder me to dissolve my student loans? Orrex May 2016 #20
All you have to do is die then get revived after the death certificate is issued. Simple Sam_Fields May 2016 #23
I like it! Orrex May 2016 #24
Every federal borrower can use Income Based Repayment and get debt forgiveness after 25 years Sam_Fields May 2016 #18
A debt repayment strike is something that should only come..... socialist_n_TN May 2016 #21
 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
1. Federal debt non repayment will
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:00 AM
May 2016

Get you in court. Federal court where your wages will be garnished to pay the debt as quickly as possible! There are no protections for the percentage of the garnishment! I told the judge I could not survive o. What was left after the garnishment. Is response tough!

Thank goodies it was a small amount and only took a year to pay off!

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
2. We had a young person in our family who had the opportunity....
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

....to take a job that she interned in that would pay her 100k school loan back as a bonus if she worked for them for two more years. An amazing offer that she turned down! Heads are still shaking.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
4. What job did she take?
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:08 AM
May 2016

What was her reasoning? What is her value system? Just curious, really. I'm not going to project my values onto this person but am genuinely curious about her reasoning as, on the surface anyway, that does seem like a very tempting offer.

Have to get to work. I look forward to reading your response provided you have the time or the inclination to do so. Thank you!

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
11. She had just earned her PHD in Physical Therapy.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

The rationale was that she hated Kansas and did not want to stay there. The internship actually was fine, it was all location. I think she really did not understand the magnitude of difficulty that saving 100K post tax dollars would create. She was the baby, daddy's little girl and that may have had some impact on things. Either way it's a done deal and she now realizes the impact that debt has on her life....four years later.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
14. My wife did something of similar consequence
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

She was accepted to a MS program and her parents (who are very well off) offered to pay for it or send her on a ~$10K mediterranian cruise. She chose the cruise and took on $50K of student loan debt for her MS, which I have been paying off for the last 3 years. 12 more to go :|

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
17. I just don't get it
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

We could have gone on 5 of those cruises over the years instead of that one... sigh. Good thing I've never been into traveling I guess :p

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
22. Yes, well this young woman was married to my son.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:51 PM
May 2016

Operative word being, was. Her line of thinking was different and to be honest the loan payments really took a toll. They both had good jobs but she had to spend a big chunk of her income on her loan. It was like having two mortgages from the beginning. Hat's off to you for working through it. This heavy school debt effects the fabric of society at the very core. Not everyone understands it!

When I was first married my husband had a ten thousand dollar student loan. It seemed huge and that it would never go away. But it did and we celebrated. Funny thing is that it was only ten percent the value of our mortgage compared to the numbers today. I imagine some student loans equaling a mortgage now. Don't blink because 12 years will go by quickly! Keep on keeping on! Hug your wife! : )

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
6. Other than sex trafficking, manufacturing meth, puppy fracking, or promoting Trump, what job would
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

cause you to turn that offer down?

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
3. Is it time?
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016
The Bottom Line

Sovereign debt crises and the debt relief which follows is not a modern phenomenon. Debt forgiveness to both individuals and governments dates back to the ancient times and is even described in the Bible. Most recently, sovereign debt crises in Europe which followed the Great Recession and stock market crash of 2008 . The PIIGS nations - Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain have all sought bailouts, with varying degrees of success.



http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/090315/history-sovereign-debt-relief.asp

Maybe something focused as opposed to a sweeping reset?

Igel

(35,323 posts)
13. The thing about regular debt forgiveness is the unwanted consequences.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

You can loan for emergencies and be okay with writing it off. But if it's not a necessity and you know that $100k debt will lose you $50k, you're just not going to make the loan.

Or you're going to charge usurious interest rates so that even in a few years you've avoided losing money.

To borrow money assuming that it'll be forgiven is slow-mo theft. Only fools loan under those terms--and the "victims," those denied loans, wail as a result.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
5. Capitalism: It's Really Fucking Expensive.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

America's Menu:

Educating yourself (and don't be cute about "education is FREE"; degrees aren't and that's what corporations want to see) is now slightly less expensive than a mortgage on a starter home where as little as 20-25 years ago, a minimum wage summer job would have covered a year or two of college. Oh, and wages are losing ground to inflation . . . . . and not paying means prison or shat credit rating.

Starting your own business, which is an expensive crapshoot that likely won't provide you with a living wage that sustains over 10 years, let alone 30-40.

Don't pay these exorbitant entry fees to "the good life" and be subject to fields ripe for automation or sporadic gig employment when you have bills in front of you NOW that need to be paid.

Well, THIS was uplifting.

Iggo

(47,561 posts)
7. "...if every debt holder decided to not repay..."
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

I'm no expert, but wouldn't that crash the system?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
8. No, I didn't pay 3-4K in student loans when I was young and dumb
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

a few years later lady from HR talked to me and advised how (I think it was 18 or 20% after taxes) was being garnished from my paycheck....

just a little embarrassed

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
9. For every action, there is always a reaction
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

Think about what the reaction is going to be.

The lenders will get their money, they have the help of the IRS and other collectors.
Your credit rating will be destroyed
Your parents credit rating will most likely be damaged as well even if they did not cosign any loans with you.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
10. Really?
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016
Your parents credit rating will most likely be damaged as well even if they did not cosign any loans with you.
Is that true? I'm not denying it, but I'd never heard it before. By what legal mechanism can a non-cosigner be held responsible for someone else's loan?
 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
15. I've read something on this
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:08 PM
May 2016

Some states have "community property" laws. Which means even though my wife took out her student loan before we ever met, I may be on the legal hook to pay them back even if she dies. I have only scratched the surface on this topic though. What I read scared the shit out of me and I ran away before reading in depth

Sam_Fields

(305 posts)
19. For Federal Loans and Public Debt they are forgiven upon death of the borrower.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

Also any private debt that came before the marriage can not become your responsibility if the spouse dies.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
24. I like it!
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

Time to fire up my cryo-chamber. Though maybe "fire up" is the wrong term to use there...

Sam_Fields

(305 posts)
18. Every federal borrower can use Income Based Repayment and get debt forgiveness after 25 years
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

If a person works for a non-profit or government for at least 30 hours a week they can get debt forgiveness with no income tax on the amount forgiven after ten years.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
21. A debt repayment strike is something that should only come.....
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016

in a revolutionary situation and only in conjunction with ALL debt and as many debtors as it's possible to bring into unity with it. It's not something to do in the ones and twos or even in the tens of thousands. But if MILLIONS of debtors stopped paying ALL debt at the same time, in conjunction with massive street demos, workplace strikes and occupations, and even a general strike, it would be a good idea.

But even then, everybody's situation would be different. A person with a mortgage that's almost paid off (less than 5 years say) probably shouldn't because a repossession would probably net the mortgager profit eventually. But the mortgager on a loan with decades left wouldn't be worthwhile to repossess.

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