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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe work of Neanderthals: Ancient ring-like structures date from 176,000 years ago
Deep in a dark cave in southwestern France lie half a dozen mysterious structures that scientists believe were built by Neanderthals 176,000 years ago -- more than 130,000 years before the first modern humans arrived in Europe.
The structures, described Wednesday in the journal Nature, are located in what is known as the Bruniquel Cave. They are made of roughly 400 pieces of stalagmites, all roughly, almost eerily, the same size.
Archaeologists say these mineral formations were probably broken off the cave floor by ancient hands and then deliberately arranged into two large ring shapes and a series of four round piles up to 15 inches high.
If all the pieces were gathered up and placed on a scale, they would weigh 2.4 tons.
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-neanderthals-cave-structures-20160525-snap-story.html
There's still a lot to discover out there.
dawg
(10,624 posts)They were probably just as smart or even smarter than us individually. We just network better.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Early Homo Sapiens bred with Homo Neanderthalensis. Twenty percent of the H. Neanderthalensis genome is preserved in humans of non-African descent. We are them.
ALBliberal
(2,342 posts)Masters from Yale etc. Interesting result for sure.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Interesting.
ALBliberal
(2,342 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)We are considering sending our samples in. I'll probably set the record for caveman DNA.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Zorro
(15,740 posts)but is still reportedly greater than 90% of the population.
23andme is an interesting site/proposition -- very interesting revelations about one's ancestry, but privacy advocates are disturbed that their database could be exploited in the future for nefarious purposes.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)ALBliberal
(2,342 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Not quite as craggy, more like a 3rd/4th gen N'thal.
Baitball Blogger
(46,723 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Maybe you mean 2-4% of individual human genomes are Neanderthal genes?
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)My apologies.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Lacking the white matter. Remains to be seen if this is the reason for perceived lower iqs than us Dolphins also fit the brain/mass higher than us but a lack of tools etc is due to no hands and can't have fire in a wet environment but again, the jury is still out if they are or not smarter than us
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)We don't know anything about "smarter".
thereismore
(13,326 posts)But we do know that they knew how to make pitch from birch bark that requires skillful use of controlled fire.
We also know they survived conditions (ice age) that would put a chill in my bones.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Then just leaves it
Yupster
(14,308 posts)and making house.
They broke off the ones on the ground to give themselves a fairly level floor for their sleeping place and they used the broken off pieces to make a boundary of their living space. The rest were put in a few piles.
Warpy
(111,267 posts)and they were far from stupid and we know from the hyoid bone we finally found that they were capable of speech. In fact, they share a lot more DNA with us than our closest living relatives, the chimpanzees, do.
In fact, the match was close enough that we interbred with them, a smart thing to do when resources needed to be pooled and knowledge of how to survive shared. They might have looked a little odd, but they were as human as we are, their evolution taking them in a slightly different direction so they could survive the last Ice Age outside Africa. Check out some of the facial reconstructions done by forensic sculptors, you wouldn't stare at them on the subway.
What they found is that the Neanderthals tended to stay put in their family groups, hunting and gathering in different spots in their territory at different times of the year. Homo Sap. tended to wander around, following herds from place to place and following the ripening vegetation as seasonal warming occurred. We didn't slaughter them, we simply outnumbered and outbred them.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)They had fair skin and red hair. Here's a kid, reconstructed in France:
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You corrected his joke with accuracy. Now it's damned hilarious...
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I'm sure they were very adapted to their environment. I think it's really interesting how they're discovering now that Neanderthals and Homo sapiens mingled their genes. When I was young, such a thing would have been thought impossible.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)pretty clever and inventive. These stalagmite Stonehenges were soulful early works of art.
These people weren't just some hand-dragging, grunting oafs.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)beastie boy
(9,363 posts)All around bad news for Trump. Enough to give him a bad case of Neanderthal envy.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)92% of the population at 23andme. Everything else in test results was boring as all hell.
Here are two tests done:
You have 1 Neanderthal variant associated with a reduced tendency to sneeze after eating dark chocolate.
You have 1 Neanderthal variant associated with your height.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)And yep, I attribute my general vigor and creative streak to it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Last edited Thu May 26, 2016, 12:22 PM - Edit history (3)
know I have 311 variants. The person with the most variants (in their database) has 387.
However, assuming the person with the most in their database has 4% Neanderthal, then that 387 is 4% of 9675. Therefore, I'd be 3.21% Neanderthal. But I'm just guessing here.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)They gave out all kinds of medical and trait oriented info that they couldn't for quite some time because the FDA wanted their cut I guess. It's improved somewhat now but they still don't give quite as much info.
valerief
(53,235 posts)things I just don't want to know. I can't even remember now what I looked up. Nothing that said I was a genius and eminently good-looking and would live to be 140. OTOH, I didn't find anything that DIDN'T say that!
hibbing
(10,098 posts)Cool article, thanks for posting this, I love reading about new discoveries like this.
Peace
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)That's really interesting, thank you for posting.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)they never put the seat down, and forget to call?
Javaman
(62,530 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)dembotoz
(16,806 posts)guess i will have to trust my pastor science advisor
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)We'll get the Homo Sapiens to pay!
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)It kind of validates that old song "I'm A Neanderthal Man" and the Neanderthal girl mentioned in the tune.
I always thought we did not vanish them, we merged with them...to put it nicely.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Fascinating.
StarzGuy
(254 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Other ethnicities not do much.
Bucky
(54,014 posts)damn
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thanks for posting!