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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:35 PM May 2016

US nuclear arsenal controlled by 1970s computers with 8in floppy disks

A report into the state of the US government, released by congressional investigators, has revealed that the country is spending around $60bn (£40.8bn) to maintain museum-ready computers, which many do not even know how to operate any more, as their creators retire.

The Defense Department’s Strategic Automated Command and Control System (DDSACCS), which is used to send and receive emergency action messages to US nuclear forces, runs on a 1970s IBM computing platform. It still uses 8in floppy disks to store data.

We’re not even talking the more modern 3.5in floppy disk that millennials might only know as the save icon. We’re talking the OG 8in floppy, which was a large floppy square with a magnetic disk inside it. They became commercially available in 1971, but were replaced by the 5¼in floppy in 1976, and by the more familiar hard plastic 3.5in floppy in 1982.

Shockingly, the US Government Accountability Office said: “Replacement parts for the system are difficult to find because they are now obsolete.”
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/26/us-nuclear-arsenal-controlled-by-1970s-computers-8in-floppy-disks?CMP=fb_gu


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US nuclear arsenal controlled by 1970s computers with 8in floppy disks (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl May 2016 OP
Yes, this is the story, and it is a scary one. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
Yeah, and there are DMS class 4 and 5 switches that still use tape backup LOL snooper2 May 2016 #2
Yes MFM008 May 2016 #3
And the last B-52 was produced in 1970. But, no real reason to replace them. leveymg May 2016 #4
Those computers are a lot like rotary dial telephones. ... spin May 2016 #5
Blame the ignorant morons in Congress Warpy May 2016 #6
Less comforting if maintenance and repair depend on those same obsolete systems dixiegrrrrl May 2016 #7
Does this mean there is some company out there ... surrealAmerican May 2016 #8
I have a great idea. roamer65 May 2016 #9
Global Thermonuclear War Quackers May 2016 #10
. hunter May 2016 #13
You're MAD Quackers May 2016 #15
I'm not surprised by this at all. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah May 2016 #11
I have an 8" floppy drive in my garage. hunter May 2016 #12
I'm jealous Quackers May 2016 #14
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. Yeah, and there are DMS class 4 and 5 switches that still use tape backup LOL
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

When the systems get replaced, the systems get replaced

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
3. Yes
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

That's comforting.
HOWEVER it may be more difficult to hack the more high-tech... the easier it may be.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. And the last B-52 was produced in 1970. But, no real reason to replace them.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

They work. The main frames and consoles can't be hacked. Don't fix them.

spin

(17,493 posts)
5. Those computers are a lot like rotary dial telephones. ...
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:44 PM
May 2016

If all you want to do is to call and talk to someone a rotary phone can do the job. You can still buy one on Amazon.



There are warehouses full of spare parts to repair these systems but few technicians to do the job and they are retiring and dying off rapidly. That's the big problem.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
6. Blame the ignorant morons in Congress
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:10 PM
May 2016

because they'll allocate billions and even trillions for overengineered planes that are a giant step backward according to the test pilots and aircraft carriers the navy neither needs nor wants but they won't allocate a few million to keep systems up to date.

They'll bother to replace this crap only when it finally dies and there are no more replacement parts sitting in some warehouse.

Actually, I find some of this a little comforting, an obsolete computer system frying at a critical point and saving the world from total annihilation.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
8. Does this mean there is some company out there ...
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

... that still makes 8 inch floppy disks? ... on military contract?

I wonder how much they charge per disk.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
9. I have a great idea.
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

Let's build up a supercomputer with the latest technology to replace the old system.

Let's name it, oh...SKYNET.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
12. I have an 8" floppy drive in my garage.
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

Nobody has asked me to transfer data from an 8" disk for many years now.


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