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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:15 PM May 2016

My totally unscientific prediction is...

Trump will not be the republican nominee for president.

He will crash or quit first.

You can say you saw it here first, or maybe not..

But I'd be willing to take bets, although I think that is not allowed in the hallowed halls of DU..
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My totally unscientific prediction is... (Original Post) pangaia May 2016 OP
It's always fun to make predictions. HuckleB May 2016 #1
As my prediction is, of course, in fun as well... pangaia May 2016 #3
I do suspect that Trump has trapped himself. HuckleB May 2016 #7
I agree with you. pangaia May 2016 #14
I hope you're right, I've bet against Trump Albertoo May 2016 #2
But you still have a shot, Albertoo. forest444 May 2016 #42
All I want for Christmas is for Trump to have lost Albertoo May 2016 #43
Same here. forest444 May 2016 #45
I thought that at one time edhopper May 2016 #4
well at this point that is ridiculous. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #5
I know what you mean, and you very well may be right. pangaia May 2016 #15
I think he knows he's not qualified and is in LibDemAlways May 2016 #6
And that gets us to the discussion that the country really needs to have. HuckleB May 2016 #9
He wants the title... Wounded Bear May 2016 #10
+1000 pangaia May 2016 #16
More or less qualified than dubya, I wonder? yodermon May 2016 #44
The chimp had the support of the establishment who knew LibDemAlways May 2016 #46
I think the GOP should give him a multi-part test. Ilsa May 2016 #8
That's why they loved Ronnie... Wounded Bear May 2016 #11
Exactly! And the problem with Donny is Ilsa May 2016 #13
I've been reading much of the twitter comments and I must say, the donald has to be monmouth4 May 2016 #12
True that. pangaia May 2016 #17
not hard at all greymattermom May 2016 #18
It's possible. The GOP will be more eager to take him out than the Dems and they are ruthless. Quixote1818 May 2016 #19
I agree...I don't know how or when, but Trump will pull out cbdo2007 May 2016 #20
WTF Cosmocat May 2016 #50
The Rethug elites will run a third party candidate against him if he doesn't step aside. roamer65 May 2016 #21
If not him . . . . . who? Stinky The Clown May 2016 #22
That might be even more frightening... pangaia May 2016 #23
Romney LynnTTT May 2016 #24
If Trump is tied, Romney would beat Hillary by 20 points Reter May 2016 #34
Jim Gilmore. He's on the edge of Greatness. eom saltpoint May 2016 #29
I predicted that months ago. mainer May 2016 #25
Just like the dog that finally catches the car he's been chasing. BiminiTwisted May 2016 #26
I like the prediction, but don't know if saltpoint May 2016 #27
That has been a prediction since last year. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #28
Who will be the Republican nominee? oberliner May 2016 #30
That I have no idea. pangaia May 2016 #31
Looks like both parties may have to change horses to finish the race this year leveymg May 2016 #32
That prediction I like. pangaia May 2016 #33
My money's on El Chapo alcina May 2016 #35
LOL pangaia May 2016 #36
The GOP fat-cat power broker types saltpoint May 2016 #37
Let's say it's October Reter May 2016 #38
I actually have no idea. pangaia May 2016 #39
Trump's ego might not let him risk saltpoint May 2016 #40
Blaming the GOP power brokers is my guess as his excuse also... pangaia May 2016 #47
There should be high-commitment GOP saltpoint May 2016 #41
I don't think he knows anything about anything. pangaia May 2016 #48
You may have started a saltpoint May 2016 #49
He already backed out of a "debate" with Bernie, for whatever real reason. pangaia May 2016 #56
Yes. Pangaia, did you happen to saltpoint May 2016 #57
I just started it.. pangaia May 2016 #64
Probably a good strategy, yes. Trump saltpoint May 2016 #65
This is so far removed from reality it defies reason Cosmocat May 2016 #51
I think it's more likely, not less, that an saltpoint May 2016 #52
except what you are thinking Cosmocat May 2016 #54
He may well be, saltpoint May 2016 #55
I have to totally agree with you. Sadly. nruthie May 2016 #59
Well, you may be right, but that is my opinion. pangaia May 2016 #61
He will go out on his own terms. GreenEyedLefty May 2016 #53
However he goes out, he will go out. pangaia May 2016 #62
I agree he doesn't really want the job & has gotten himself in a real pickle. -nt CrispyQ May 2016 #58
That's like betting on Cleveland to win the Super Bowl next season. BillZBubb May 2016 #60
I would be more willing to bet on him running away than on Cleveland. pangaia May 2016 #63

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
1. It's always fun to make predictions.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

If you're right on a few, and you will be, because, well, odds, ...

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
7. I do suspect that Trump has trapped himself.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

He doesn't want the job. and he didn't think he would get the nomination. He's a dumbass, who underestimated the stupidity of the GOP electorate. It's quite astounding.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
2. I hope you're right, I've bet against Trump
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

Lots of play money. It's only play money, but I wouldn't want to lose it.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
42. But you still have a shot, Albertoo.
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

Not because Trump won't (or wouldn't) in fact be the nominee; but because I'm pretty sure somewhere, in some smoke-filled room, GOP bigwigs are discussing the feasibility of assassinating the intrepid Mr. Trump with some Arthur Bremer-style plot.

The only real difference between this hypothetical plot, and Nixon's in 1972, is that the patsy would be either Muslim or Mexican.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
45. Same here.
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:53 PM
May 2016

The last thing any progressive would want is to have the Donald get hurt in any way. One, because it's wrong for all the obvious reasons; and two, because such an incident would turn him into a veritable martyr to these right-wing fanatics.

That said, I think even staunch Hillaristas are beginning to see that only a small miracle will save her chances of becoming our first Madam President - especially if that indictment that the Repigs have up their sleeve comes through, say, in October some time.

And luckily for her (and, I guess, us all) that small miracle may yet avail itself in the form of this guy:

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LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
6. I think he knows he's not qualified and is in
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

way over his head. I think he'll choose some party insider as the VP candidate, step aside at the last minute, and that person will be nominated by acclimation. Honestly don't think he has any interest in being President and never expected it to get this far.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
9. And that gets us to the discussion that the country really needs to have.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

Why is it that we make it so painful to attain elected office, that it promotes the most unstable people making it to office?

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
46. The chimp had the support of the establishment who knew
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:12 AM
May 2016

that he was nothing more than the genial front man for Cheney and the neocons. The Repuke establishment hates the loose cannon Trump and will gladly strike a lucrative deal with him to bow out in favor of one of their own.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
8. I think the GOP should give him a multi-part test.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

First, the gop leadership should write a speech for him. A big, exciting, motivating, beat-your-chest-with-pride kind of speech with their most fundamental issues and planks included. Tell Donny he has to give that speech. No going off on tangents. He has to fundamentally say what is in that speech in the way that it is written.

Second, he needs to be forewarned about how many voters he'll offend with unsanctioned, off the cuff patronizing, pandering remarks. Voters like women, native americans, hispanics, etc, etc. When he goes off the rails in giving the speech, and we all know he can't resist doing that, that should disqualify him from public office. The gop should be ready to say they'd rather have HRC than a scary, narcisstic, patronizing, pugilistic blowhard who can't even deliver an informative speech with dignity.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
11. That's why they loved Ronnie...
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

he stood his marks and he read his lines. No problem. Nothing like a second rate actor for your figurehead.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
13. Exactly! And the problem with Donny is
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016

that they don't know how damaging the crap is going to be. I almost feel sorry for them, but it's their own fault.

Ages ago, I felt like the gop was due some credit. Not for what they stood for, but for the mastery in how they accomplished their political objectives, evil as both were. Donny will eventually have decent, considerate people abandoning the gop like I'd abandon a dead possum on the road surrounded by live skunks.

monmouth4

(9,708 posts)
12. I've been reading much of the twitter comments and I must say, the donald has to be
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

really angry, hurt and ready to quit. The remarks are funny and make him look like a huuuuge loser. Something he cannot tolerate. I bet he quits before the end of June, IMO..

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
17. True that.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

The longer he waits, the more difficult it may be for him to quit.. from his view, of course...

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
18. not hard at all
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

He'll just say they weren't being fair to him. Doesn't matter who they are or what they did, that will be enough.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
20. I agree...I don't know how or when, but Trump will pull out
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

Or something before election day. Either he'll chicken out and come up with some excuse or there is still some sort someone has out there on him that is a campaign killer. He acts like someone who doesn't want to be there and I'm about 99% sure he won't be on the ballot.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
50. WTF
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

That could not possibly be further removed from reality.

The man is eating every moment of this up.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
21. The Rethug elites will run a third party candidate against him if he doesn't step aside.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

They will either throw the election to the Democratic candidate, or try to force it into the House for a vote where we will end up with a third place finisher as President.

LynnTTT

(362 posts)
24. Romney
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

They'll pull him out at the convention, he'll win on fifth count . He'll still lose in November but at least the GOP won't be totally embarassed.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
27. I like the prediction, but don't know if
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

Donald the Ultra-Narcissist will accept the nomination or if Donald the (sometimes) shrewd businessman will fold and walk away from the poker table.

There is a distinct possibility that he knows he is going to be crushed in November. He must know that the skeletons in his closet are numerous. The media will find a way to expose them. The media lapped ratings from building him up; they will think it's their privilege to tear him down.

Romney is still being pursued -- god knows by whom -- to run a third party campaign. Just what's needed at this point in the process -- a spiritless corporate robot who tortures dogs.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
32. Looks like both parties may have to change horses to finish the race this year
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:28 PM
May 2016

You read that prediction here.

alcina

(602 posts)
35. My money's on El Chapo
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

Of course, it may be a "coincidence" that he's being extradited to the US. Just sayin'....

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
37. The GOP fat-cat power broker types
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:44 PM
May 2016

who want an alternative party are going to need a ticket.

I don't think ballot access will be anything other than a headache for them... they can do it if they get their butts in gear, hire the right lawyers in each state, and mount a full-court press. Getting late, but still doable.

Money also is not going to be a problem. The aforementioned fat-cats have more money than they know what to do with. There isn't going to be a money problem.

But they have to decide quickly that they're going ahead with it. Sand's slipping thru the hourglass at a fast rate.

They'll have to forge a ticket. A lot of Republicans won't undertake an effort like this. But a good number will. The fat-cats are offering power and glory -- and they're picking up the tab.

And even if they lose the election, they've shoved the far Right off the train and have positioned themselves for control in subsequent cycles.

If they want to do this, they can.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
38. Let's say it's October
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:50 PM
May 2016

Hillary gets indicted and Trump drops out. Both parties scramble for candidates. Who wins? Gary Johnson?

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
40. Trump's ego might not let him risk
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

defeat on a mass scale.

The demographics suggest that Trump cannot win high-enough percentages in swing states to reasonably compete in the electoral college. The election will string him out something fierce. He will fray at media questions. Investigative reporting may reveal a pile of skeletons in his basement.

He ain't gonna like it much.

I could see him blaming the GOP power brokers for "betraying" him and stomping off the stage in Cleveland.

Don't ask me what happens after that.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
41. There should be high-commitment GOP
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

activity for a presumptive nominee in swing states like Ohio, but there is not:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-lags-behind-hillary-clinton-in-organizing-key-states-1463945208

Does this mean Trump is not taking his own campaign seriously?

Does it mean he doesn't know that Ohio is where the GOP convention will be held?

Does it mean he's so damned arrogant that he thinks he's going to win without lifting a finger?

The state GOP is not doing anything to advance Trump in Ohio, at least not on the level they did for Romney, Bush, Bush, Dole, etc.

Puzzlin' evidence.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
48. I don't think he knows anything about anything.
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:28 AM
May 2016

Other than how to yell, insult, scream, piss on everything.
He is a very insecure, frightened, emotionally and mentally disturbed little person..

And many/most people here know a lot more than I do about what is what politically.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
49. You may have started a
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

conversation on an event that is yet to happen, though, and that's a healthy thing.

I can see Trump realizing at some point that the longer he continues the charade of himself as a global leader the greater his chances of global humiliation. It just doesn't seem as if someone with such a massive ego like Trump could risk massive humiliation.

Boastfulness and bigotry got him through the GOP primary, but the game is about to change. I think your assessment of his personality is a bingo.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
64. I just started it..
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

YIKES !! Not sure I have the intestinal fortitude to read it all.. The idea of a few beers on their own sounds much more rewarding.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
65. Probably a good strategy, yes. Trump
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

is unsettling (at best).

There's always this ugly, coarse, underbelly to U.S. politics... and it's flaring once again.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
51. This is so far removed from reality it defies reason
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:03 AM
May 2016

He is a con man, who has spent his entire life separating people from their money and using the same process to separate people from their votes.

This country is now locked in a life and death battle for its soul, the stupid vs people of reason and common sense.

Donald Trump is absolutely eating every moment of this up.

Its the ultimate con job.

He is going to walk away from that?

You could not possible be more wrong ...

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
52. I think it's more likely, not less, that an
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

egomaniac like Trump would strive to avoid humiliation.

There's a statistical chance he could be elected in November, but there's significant evidenced-based chance that he's going to be crushed. He's used racist and ethnic slurs and misogynist attacks to shove his GOP opponents out of the primary field, but the road from this point forward is a lot tougher.

There's no evidence that Trump's ability to conduct a national campaign is any match for his yuuuge ego. I could see him manufacturing a crisis as a smokescreen to exit the race.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
54. except what you are thinking
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

literally has never happened.

Egomaniacs by definition think they are going to win every time.

FURTHER, he was polling at 1 percent when he came into the republican primary and had the nomination in a choke hold before it even started, and is in better shape now than anyone predicted.

You could not possibly be more wrong.

This man absolutely thinks he is going to win, as fucking unfathonable as it may be to you or me, this country is in a life or death battle between the stupid and the non-stupid, and he has the stupid totally on board.

He is going to be on the ballot November 8.

No ifs, ands or buts.


saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
55. He may well be,
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

or not.

There's a revealing feature article in the June Atlantic on Trump's psychological constitution.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/

There is a passage about narcissists:

As long as they prove to be successful and brilliant...they may be able to weather criticism and retain their exalted status. But more often than not, narcissists wear out their welcome. Over time, people become annoyed, if not infuriated, by their self-centeredness. When narcissists begin to disappoint those whom they once dazzled, their descent can be especially precipitous. There is still truth today in the ancient proverb: Pride goeth before the fall.


Trump has apparently won the GOP nomination, but he's made some very serious (and numerous) enemies in the process. They will not soon forget how he mocked them and then shoved them off the primary train.

Trump's climb is getting steeper. And there are panthers in the trees.

nruthie

(466 posts)
59. I have to totally agree with you. Sadly.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:53 AM
May 2016

I fear that the stupid will prevail and we are stuck in a nightmare.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
61. Well, you may be right, but that is my opinion.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

No doubt he is a con man,,

The guy is at heart, a coward..

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
53. He will go out on his own terms.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

He hates to lose and will do whatever it takes to avoid personal humiliation.

I'm not sure what that will look like but he has never seemed completely serious to me. He seems to enjoy the game-playing aspect of campaigning and manipulating his followers like puppets on strings.

If his intent was to pull the curtain back on the real political process and the sheer idiocy of right wing voters, he deserves a lot of credit... I actually think this is his intent.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
62. However he goes out, he will go out.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016

He is a classic inner coward - in the sense of being afraid of look at and studying himself --this avoiding the awful truth.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
60. That's like betting on Cleveland to win the Super Bowl next season.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:08 AM
May 2016

You would be making a very poor bet.

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