get into gear while there is still a "contest", such as it is.

Who pays you to print such crap? Have you ever had a thought on your own, and have you applied those rarely used mental efforts to what you just wrote?

yeah, I thought so.

In Trumpian fashion, all you've done is attack rather than supply reasons for a counter argument.

She's proclaiming she IS the nominee and that that's all taken care of. If that's the case, you have zero to worry about. And BTW, I sorta believe her - that the fix is in. It's been a rigged contest before it ever got started.

Im getting so tire of these people say this stupid crap.

You offer no evidence, just petulant childish name calling. I'm really looking forward to whatever new approach the admins have planned because the name calling is just pathetic and should be beneath people here.

By implying the person is receiving troll pay, ChairmanAgnostic was giving this yahoo the benefit of the doubt.

You certainly answered clueless allegations with yet more clueless allegations.


(I'm confident you'll rationalize yours as "valid" "thoughtful", "objective" or some other creative fiction to maintain the mechanism to indict others for what you yourself are guilty of as well-- human nature being what is is)

Spoken like a boss!

that the M$M has lavished upon the vulgar talking yam.

Saying Hillary is struggling in polling because she was stuck in a primary ignores the fact that if she were popular she wouldn't still be stuck in a primary. This has everything to do with people simply not liking her despite having the backing of the establishment, industries with deep pockets, and name recognition firmly in her corner.

It might be time to perhaps admit this is a problem of her own making instead of scapegoating Bernie Sanders.

In the general election, voters not affiliated with either party will be voting.

They are the ones who decide elections.

Not the declared Democrats, not the declared Republicans.


Hillary Clinton will find out that Bernie Sanders was the least of her problems.

It's a good thing her opponent is Trump, because I believe he's the only candidate over the last few cycles that Clinton would have a chance to beat in a general election.

Fear will be the main driver of this election; Not qualifications. It's already started. People have said, rightfully, that Trump is just too dangerous to run America.

We'll see how it plays out. This election isn't going to be a fun one.

I think that same thought every day.

that it has been basically Trump TV 24/7 for the last year. Billions in free media.

Odd how this line of comparison gets missed in that tiresome argument by some of Hillary's supporters.

Especially when you're right. You are right, you know. (Shhhh)

Unfortunately for some, the boring continuity candidate this time around doesn't have an opponent with the credibility of Michael Dukakis to contend with.

Donnie has been getting nothing but free press - they play every single instagram campaign ad every freeking hour for him. Then we have the battle from the far left wing to deal with also. Hopefully this will all be put to bed in the next two weeks and we can turn our attention to the person getting at least one supreme court nominee.

Millions of dollars worth of free advertising all the time.

Recently, they even switched out to air an empty Trump podium instead of one of Hillary's speeches!

I think the battle on the left is actually helping the Democratic side of things, because at least the media is mentioning it. Once there's a clear winner, no matter who it is, the Democrats will be officially boring again, and all the free media attention will jump right back to Trump.

I feel like the later that happens, the better. If we could somehow make Trump boring, his popularity would plummet.

is to mock him. Anything else brings us down to his level and we all know how pointless it is to wrestle with a pig. Mock him day and night - he'll blow a freeking fuse.

But when he blows a fuse, that's newsworthy (according to the MSM, of course). Every time he freaks out because of something another candidate says, it's never about that candidate, it's all about the Trump reaction, and how crazy that dude is, and blah blah blah...

And more free news cycles and free air time for the orange menace.

I only wish there had been some way to mock him into boringness. How do we make Trump boring?

He's an insecure whiny bitch (watch the pc police alert on me just for agreeing with Bill Maher that this describes him perfectly) so we need to make sure the attention he gets is ALL negative.

and it'll only hurt HRC's already meh numbers already.
Not only that but it'll make the left look bad.
It sucks having to take the high road when the masses are needed to vote correctly.
The problem is that the masses are uneducated about the candidates.

They are working zombies, barely able to feed their families or relax between double shifts. They, overall, don't have the time to pay attention to the minutia.

You don't necessarily win by destroying the other person, but by making your person look better.

HOW do we do that with someone who has been constantly attacked since 1992?

Hillary sticks to the issues - policy speeches like today and the debates will take care of that - the surrogates (like Pres Obama) do the mocking. The only way she should engage with him is to differentiate her policies with his. That's it. Nothing else.

Kind of telling.

for 25 years, while it created an alternate reality and moved the country 20 pts right -so that the sanders and warrens and wellstones are exceptions rather than the norm, and trump is 'acceptable'.

it would do the same to sanders as it has been doing to clinton - running up the negatives while making excuses for trump. which is what limbaugh and a few hundred other pro liars with big megaphones are doing from 1200 stupidly unchallenged radio stations.

here's the basic math:
at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, free market deregulation bullshit, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

while it created an alternate reality and moved the country 20 pts right"??

THIS is your answer to reply #1.("and yet they run neck & neck with Clinton"?)

Who EXACTLY are you referring to as "the dumbass left"?

George Soros & the very few other "left-of-center" billionaires?

All those Democrats who consider themselves to be "progressives"?

All those Democrats who prefer Sanders over HRC?

Air America went off the air because it couldn't get enough sponsors to support it.

Are Mike Malloy, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann, Stephanie Miller, and radio shows like "Ring of Fire" all "dumbass left"?

How would you change things so that progressive radio shows might actually be able to COMPETE with the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, & the other far-right-wing talk show who make up more than 90 percent of all syndicated radio talk shows?

What can we "dumbass lefties" who do NOT have the money to start our own progressive radio networks do about it?

(BTW, I agree 100% with your "Here's the basic math" stuff)

speaking generally of the left/liberals/dems, ignoring that simple math has been the biggest political mistake in history considering the time lost on global warming.

it's a rw ruse to suggest liberal talk can compete with rw radio - like suggesting mom and pop can compete with home depot and wall mart. and i think it's more like 95% monopoly. getting it down to 75% would be a disaster for the right.

given that, the 'left' has to go on the offensive re talk radio.

imo the most effective way to do that would be to stop letting the 90 + universities that support 270+ limbaugh stations do that without a fight. merely beginning campus discussions of the absurdity of it, whether the admin actually acted or not, would scare advertisers away from rw radio, and not just those stations.

as soon as protests, or petitions, or efforts to use donations to make up the small amt the uni would lose in licensing revenue, etc., are started, the state GOP would get hysterical and media and politicians would notice. advertisers would flee and the stations would start getting listened to so local dems would not be caught by surprise by the swiftboating, etc.

many of those stations would probably have to change pograming to survive losing that endorsement and the negative implications stirred up with a discussion of why and may even try to stay in talk radio by offering slots to the liberal talkers - a disaster for the rw.

the end result is more stations available to liberal talkers. even without that right away imo it would make a major difference in the elections if started soon. they can't do shit without rw radio making excuses for them and doing the groundwork repetition for all their shit.

those 90+ universities (search any university with a major sports program + radio affiliates) are better places to protest than the state capitols on almost any major issue because of the consequence to local and national GOP politicians who depend on those stations and their invisibility to the left. that would be going on the offensive vs their most important weapon. protests don't work anymore because they can be shouted over by a few radio blowhards.

protests at radio stations would also help but the unis would be better in my opinion.

also, extending the great work of stoprush/flushrush by boycotting ALL businesses that advertise on rw radio stations.

also, just monitoring the local blowhards.

Very interesting!

And it did seem their problem was lack of sponsors. Thankfully a lot of their on air personalities are still around. There are some far-reaching progressive stations still around. Look up " Chicago's Progressive" (WCPT AM) or Progressive Talk Radio in general.

1. The dumbass left DID try to compete with the radio phenomenon for a few years when Al Franken kick started AIR AMERICA. Apparently it flopped because liberals and liberal-leaners don't listen to the radio?

and, more importantly...

2. The left has been KICKING ASS for a decade when it comes to converting people to progressives via SATIRE and comedy. We can thank Jon Stewart for that one.

So, it appeared that when we tried to compete with conservatives on their own turf (ie-competing for morons who listen to AM radio) we lost. I'd quote that "Gates is a damned fool, fighting muzzle to muzzle with redcoats in an open field" like from the Patriot, but every since the 'patriot' movement has co-opted that movie, along with the Gadsden flag, it makes me sick.

However, the left has captured the young generation completely with satire and comedy. They belong to us now, and they're not going back. Conservatives tried a couple of times to put satire comedy shows on Fox, and they flopped badly.

So, while I'd agree that progressives were really slow off the mark in the messaging wars, the news isn't all bad.

they bought up and protect their monopoly. they know at some level their alternate reality and the ignorant insecure chickenhawk radio gods can't handle truth and competition.

occasionally when liberal talkers compete on an even playing field they often beat limbaugh and sons. which is why it is not allowed. the left believes the rw bs that it's about market forces.

2) i think the fact that the left ignores rw radio has allowed the right to push the country way right. we lose elections just because of it. it is a separate medium they they completely control to great advantage and it is a mistake to think of it as something that competes with tv or print or the internet. those are much more democratic, even tv within limits. rw talk radio is well coordinated PSYOPS that short circuits all feedback mechanisms that democracy needs.

if dems and progressive orgs truly challenged rw radio, such as by protesting the universities that it depends heavily on, as i describe above, we could get supermajorities or close to it.

to over simplify the matter, they had a uphill struggle with a rigged system and idiot management.

They actually did very well in their areas. Stephanie Miller, independent of AAR) has nearly always had top numbers, especially compared to the RW competition.

However she is always loosing stations. not because she's loosing followers, but because the conservative owners are afraid of her message.

Something similar was happening with Air America. It actually had ok numbers.
But the upper management were a bunch of "fucking idiots" to use Mark Marrons words....man I miss Morning Sedition.

It's not simple. The same problem happened to Current. It was starting to pull even then it was sold to Al Jazera america, and THAT has been folded not that long ago.

The game is rigged against liberal or progressive media, it's not lack of interest even in deeeeeep red areas. It's fear of ideological competition.

I am reminded of a greek who commented about the new Christians "I pity them that their faith is so weak they are unable to debate about their god"

Until suddenly they weren't.

How I long for the return of the Fairness Doctrine.

I live in Europe and the only thing they cover here is about Trump! WTF? Stop it!

There are so many negatives about him swirling around that I am hard-pressed to find anything positive.

could cover it.

You know, Nathan Poe was a friggin' genius.

-- Mal

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There's nothing positive in the coverage, IMO. In fact, it invariably shows him to be a thoroughly despicable, racist, misogynistic, loud-mouthed, narcissistic boor.

If you owe the bank $10 thousand, you worry.

If you owe the bank $10 million, the bank worries.

Wouldn't it be sweet if his empire collapsed in the midst of his campaign. He is highly leveraged and all it takes is a couple of dominoes to crash his empire.

He is losing money on his hotels and people are moving out of his buildings. All it takes is a nudge.

at least chapter 11 at his level... he's not responsible for a thin dime!
Donald Trump just made probably a cool Billion dollars in this race.
So he lost a few contracts worth a couple dozen million.. .mark my words he's made at least a cool billions from this run.

the man is a master huckster and really is a genius at taking other people's money... just imagine what he'd do to the country.

it's all he does and yet he's allowed to call people names and have the media repeat them ad nauseum.
Dodgy Don the Con aka Chickenshit is a pathological LIAR

Bye bye West Virginny.

even close to any Democratic Candidate? Nate Silver is even having a hard time trying to get his polls accurate and he is admitting that without landlines,we are in a new world. Media sponsored Polls are just what the Media ordered as far as results. Been there and done that.

... having to pay for stuff (i.e. real staff) must have come as a shock to the Donald...

Trump hasn't used his own money, ever. He excels at the grift and has the bankruptcy laws memorized. He's a liar and a fake--but he's not stupid. Watch the RNC bail him out. Meanwhile he gets all the free air time he wants--and most of the MSM just lets him phone it in.

Donny has made his fortune on other people's money.

Rich people frequently get other people to pay for them. I expected no less, nor do I expect Hillaey to waste any of her scarce 100+ millions when she can get her supporters to raid their bank accounts on her behalf.

For openers, the campaign owes Trump a ton of money and he is going to collect every penny of it. And, based upon what we know of Trump, I think we should assume that he will get back much more than he loaned the campaign.

This whole thing about Bill Clinton having advised him to get more involved in Republican politics or run for president or whatever it was... that taken together with the corporate owned media running Trump stories morning, noon, and night for months and, until recently, carrying out a virtual blackout of Bernie Sanders... taken together with Trump not wanting to spend any of his own money and not having taken in donations at this point (I thought Sheldon Adelson had just pledge a whole bunch of money to Trump)... well, all that taken together sure looks fishy. If Trump suddenly quits before the November election then I guess it'll look pretty obvious.

His campaign has pretty much been orchestrated
by free nonstop publicity through the pandering media.

He doesn't really need money, juat the aura of being
a billionaire publicity hog who uses Nazi techniques
to manipulate his racist, xenopobic base.

Look at Trump. Look at Kansas. Look at Louisiana. Everything they touch turns to shit.

There went the Federal Budget!

Spectacular feat of conning the entire GOP.

This is the kind of con game he'll play as president against us.

Imagine what he would threaten us with!!!

Imagine doing this to foreign leaders who have nukes.

It took less than this to start WW1. And we all remember how well THAT went.

bogeyman so bad everyone will have to vote for their preferred candidate, Hillary.

"We don't want the next smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

"We don't want Trump elected because he will have his finger on the nuclear trigger."

Sounds the same to me.

They've had nothing but free press all the way. Heck, even the Democrat outlets like DU are wall to wall Trump.
They haven't had to spend any money on advertising, no way they can be broke.
Unless of course there has been some under the table greasing going on somewhere.
Seems to me, if that campaign is broke, then its a clear signal that Trump is incapable of managing money.

that this "genius" businessman has declared bankruptcy FOUR times. hmm, come to think of it, he manages to screw everyone out of their money and hang onto his.

he's a master of managing money... into his pocket!
I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised by this.
He's a grade A crook and always has been.

you are the sociopath Donaldo Drumpf.

He doesn't need to worry about whether or not the repug money marks will pay for a date with him.

Totally unprecedented.

If memory serves

raising tons of money, boatloads I tell you

The fundraising will be prodigious, best ever

No one can hold a candle to it

Who'll be giving him foreign policy cred!

A new bankruptcy is about to be born!

Now that Mr Trump is the nominee, he has the GOP by a very sensitive part of the anatomy. I'd hate to give him credit, but he appears to have played them brilliantly.

-- Mal

Or, put it on a credit card, Donald. That's "other people's money," too, according to your Trump U sales pitch to students.

https://www.rt.com/usa/345001-trump-university-documents-unsealed/

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The ultimate con game.

What else do you expect from a con man???

Donald Trump is one of the best Con Men around.

George Zimerrman, Darrel Wilson, etc. were flooded with donations. How much you wanna bet sombody at trump HQ has been opening envelopes?