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kpete

(72,006 posts)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 03:44 PM Jun 2012

JUDGE: What a huge debt this nation owes to its "troublemakers."

What a Huge Debt This Nation Owes to “Troublemakers”….
June 8th, 2012 | Author: Matthew D. Weidner, Esq.


The Occupy Movement offers important lessons for every single one of us. These are lessons that we should all be heeding now, but we will not until it is far too late.

Fascism is sweeping, sometimes violently across this nation. Our First Amendment rights are being trashed and our Constitution is being desecrated. The political leadership is fostering dangerous division among the people while at the same time acting as stewards and enforcers for the corrupting corporate interests that have gutted this country.

The protests we have seen thus far are just the tip of the iceberg. What is coming as our nation confronts the horrifying consequences of our economic reality will be far more than the vast majority of people in this country are prepared to comprehend….


But listen to what the judge said; what you see is a brilliant jurist carefully balancing respect for the First Amendment with the rights and responsibilities of law enforcement under the First Amendment:

What a huge debt this nation owes to its “troublemakers.” From Thomas Paine to Martin Luther King, Jr., they have forced us to focus on problems we would prefer to downplay or ignore. Yet it is often only with hindsight that we can distinguish those troublemakers who brought us to our senses from those who were simply . troublemakers. Prudence, and respect for the constitutional rights to free speech and free association, therefore dictate that the legal system cut all non-violent protesters a fair amount of slack.


MORE about the case:
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/367652/garcia-v-bloomberg.pdf
http://mattweidnerlaw.com/blog/2012/06/what-a-huge-debt-this-nation-owes-to-troublemakers/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-a-huge-debt-this-nation-owes-to-troublemakers
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JUDGE: What a huge debt this nation owes to its "troublemakers." (Original Post) kpete Jun 2012 OP
Alice Paul, too Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #1
And the Iron-jawed Angels that starved with her. n/t Greybnk48 Jun 2012 #2
Yes me b zola Jun 2012 #5
This should have 1,000 recs malaise Jun 2012 #3
I agree and here's another rec for the troublemakers. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #28
DHS knows full well this country is headed for tremendous problems as RKP5637 Jun 2012 #4
+ MY household. n/t truedelphi Jun 2012 #11
My friend agent46 Jun 2012 #15
The police corralled the protesters like cattle. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #6
this kind of respect for The Constitution kpete Jun 2012 #7
Regarding the issue of political will, I believe so. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #8
But didn't one of our more recent presidents call that document a 'quaint piece of paper' sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #32
There's a judge with sanity. Nice to know they still exist in the system. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #9
He must be a liberal, and not one of those who want lock-step thinking under any particular banner. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #10
well put by the judge quinnox Jun 2012 #12
More than troublemakers, it's those progressive troublemakers. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #13
“Intellegent discontent is the mainspring of civilization. Progress is born of agitation.” rhett o rick Jun 2012 #17
It's time for another Eugene Debs. But this time lets pay more attention to the lesson. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #19
I wouldn't even characterize Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #14
Correct. Occupy is a bourgeoisie movement TBF Jun 2012 #23
!!! bvar22 Jun 2012 #25
Solidarity. nt TBF Jun 2012 #26
The occupy movement realized that the labels are what divide us and that is why sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #29
I too thought maher's comments were superficial. bvar22 Jun 2012 #33
Yes, the S. American states have given us a blueprint. And as a result also have become the targets sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #35
All they had to do was challenge the status quo and no matter how peacefully they did it sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #31
Beautiful Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #16
I agree with this judge... We can learn a lot about what it is that needs to be changed so everyone midnight Jun 2012 #18
At one time, not so long ago, that WAS the Platform of the Democratic Party! bvar22 Jun 2012 #27
Spam deleted by Morning Dew (MIR Team) Heather4 Jun 2012 #20
If our constitution is abandoned and INdemo Jun 2012 #21
And yet, so many are in denial about the rise of the fascists. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #30
Why Sabrina - don't you know that it could never happen here? jwirr Jun 2012 #34
I used to think it could not happen here, but then I read some history. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #37
Agreed. When I was small someone taught me that pride goes before the fall. Those in this nation jwirr Jun 2012 #39
Will we see crowds cheer about the rise of fascism, as we did in news reels of the 30's in Germany? INdemo Jun 2012 #38
Thankfully people eventually fight back malaise Jun 2012 #36
K&R nt TBF Jun 2012 #22
Well said! gopiscrap Jun 2012 #24
Add that debt to the tangible 15+trillion we owe elsewhere. Zax2me Jun 2012 #40

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
4. DHS knows full well this country is headed for tremendous problems as
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jun 2012

the gutting of America continues. It's no wonder cameras are going up everywhere, drones are wanted and local police forces are being militarized.

As the hatefulness, separatism and corporatization of the American government continues, all hell will likely breakout in the 21st century making this a horrendous place to be.

Still, IMO, many Americans snooze clueless as to what's going on as they vote for those wishing to make this a pit for many of the citizens for power and money at any cost to the US. What a damn shame.


agent46

(1,262 posts)
15. My friend
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 05:49 PM
Jun 2012

You are a keen observer. The future is unfolding in lockstep and no one is about to back down. May we all cherish the things in life that are truly important among friends, family and community while Paris burns.

kpete

(72,006 posts)
7. this kind of respect for The Constitution
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jun 2012

is SO rare today...

We need to find our way back home as Americans and we have the map,
but do we have the will?



peace,kp

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. But didn't one of our more recent presidents call that document a 'quaint piece of paper'
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jun 2012

or something like that?

I guess he wasn't kidding after all.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
12. well put by the judge
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jun 2012

Its the so called troublemakers who make real change happen, and better the human condition. Whether talking about striking workers or blacks or women who strived for equal rights.

I can always tell the sheep and authoritarian types when they disparage protesters, yep, we have some on our side too. They are the ones who never make change happen in society.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
13. More than troublemakers, it's those progressive troublemakers.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 05:03 PM
Jun 2012

I doubt that anything good will come out of the tea party, for example. No, it is the progressive, liberal, egalitarians that drag this world forward.

Add that to the maxim that the majority is wrong far more often than it is right and a picture begins to form...
K&R

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. “Intellegent discontent is the mainspring of civilization. Progress is born of agitation.”
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 12:32 AM
Jun 2012

Eugene V. Debs

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
14. I wouldn't even characterize
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 05:04 PM
Jun 2012

the occupy movement as "troublemakers". They are trying to avoid trouble and reign in the corporate influences that are causing societal disturbances.

TBF

(32,084 posts)
23. Correct. Occupy is a bourgeoisie movement
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:09 AM
Jun 2012

but at least it is a start.

As one of my friends put it though, folks are not thinking in terms of class. Everyone is still thinking of themselves individually and labeling themselves as repugs, or progressives, or protestants, or whatever - and that is the reason the very rich have worked so hard to break the unions. The unions are able to bring folks together and get them focused on class. They remind folks that when they come together they can fight back against their oppressors.

That is something we need to re-learn as a country and we'd better learn it quick because the calls for extreme austerity are coming loud and clear.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
25. !!!
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jun 2012

When the Working Class & the Poor realize we have MORE in common with each other
than we have in common with the 1% and their employees in Washington,
THEN, we can have "change".

Our neighbors in Latin America have given us the Blue Print for "change".
What they have accomplished is nothing short of near bloodless revolutions.

[font size=3]"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that nation states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."[/font]
----Bolivian Reform President Evo Morales



VIVA Democracy!!!!
I pray we get some here soon,



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
[font size=5 color=green]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green]
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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
29. The occupy movement realized that the labels are what divide us and that is why
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jun 2012

those who fear a Social Justice movement have been whining from the beginning that they 'need a leader' and they 'need to be more organized' and the latest, the BS from Bill Maher eg, that they need to 'get political', sure, and go back to the divide and conquer routine. Amazing that he, who appears to pride himself on being so smart, should be so clueless.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
33. I too thought maher's comments were superficial.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jun 2012

He IS a comedian, and loves to be "controversial".
He was looking for an edge, and missed badly this time.
That happens with him occasionally and to anyone who flirts with The Edge.
I usually watch his show,
but I have nothing but contempt for THIS crowd:


Those who insist that OWS needs to field their own candidates and become a Voting Block had better be careful what they wish for. The Democratic Party doesn't have a very good track record for romancing this group.
[font size=5]Paulson with Co-Conspirators[/font]



sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. Yes, the S. American states have given us a blueprint. And as a result also have become the targets
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:38 PM
Jun 2012

of the Global Corporate oppressors. With the help of the Corporate Media. See the change in the attitude towards Chavez on the LEFT eg. Back in 2002, that did not exist. But they went to work to try to try to demonize him and then Morales and any leader of those sovereign countries who dared to institute actual change, making it harder for them to install the usual dictators we seem to love so much. Thankfully it may be too late to turn back the clock on SA, as Bush was too busy salivating over the ME for the past decade giving those countries time to consolidate the control they have wrenched from the hands of the Corporate invaders. Hopefully it was enough time. They don't give up easily.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
31. All they had to do was challenge the status quo and no matter how peacefully they did it
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jun 2012

once they appeared on the scene they became a threat. Because they voiced out loud what many people were thinking, and that was way more of a threat than had they been violent. Because bad things can continue to happen so long as good people remain silent. And that is what was happening.

So they were immediately attacked, brutally by military style robo cops all over the country. The reaction was astounding frankly. So way out of proportion, and yet we had people on the 'left' condemning them.

Phhhtttt

(70 posts)
16. Beautiful
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jun 2012

While the rich pit liberals against repiglicans,they are gutting the nation of everything of value.If it comes to a shooting match liberals will lose.The amount of hate propagated by their side is astonishing.How do you extinguish hate with love;by becoming martyrs?It may come down to that folks.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
18. I agree with this judge... We can learn a lot about what it is that needs to be changed so everyone
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 12:36 AM
Jun 2012

is housed, feed, healthy, and educated....

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
27. At one time, not so long ago, that WAS the Platform of the Democratic Party!
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jun 2012
"...everyone is housed, feed, healthy, and educated...."

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established [font size=3]for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens."--- FDR. 1944 SOTU


At one time, voting FOR the Democratic Party
was voting FOR the above values.
Sadly, this is no longer true.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
[font size=5 color=green]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green]
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INdemo

(6,994 posts)
21. If our constitution is abandoned and
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 07:29 AM
Jun 2012

these Repukes were about to move us toward a Fascist state,would the brainwashed Teabaggers actually jump on the bandwagon to actually contribute to the destruction of Democracy?..They already have ..We have seen the results of the billionaires money,the Citizens United effects and I am worried...
to think that my grandchildren will not enjoy the freedoms that we had..
"Fascism is sweeping, sometimes violently across this nation."
How true....

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. And yet, so many are in denial about the rise of the fascists.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jun 2012

But I guess throughout history there has always been a period of denial, it is hard to face when it comes to your own country which you have so much faith in. But sooner or later it does have to be faced and it looks like more people are doing so. So hopefully that awakening will help to reverse the current trend, although it will take time. But we have to begin somewhere.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
34. Why Sabrina - don't you know that it could never happen here?
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:37 PM
Jun 2012
This is a good thread but it both gives me hope and makes me afraid.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
37. I used to think it could not happen here, but then I read some history.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jun 2012

And what I learned is that people are the same everywhere, and haven't changed much, other than technologically, over the centuries. There are always those lurking around waiting for a chance to take over and impose their evil will on populations. The Founding Fathers were under no illusions, fortunately for us or it might have happened already.

I see the tag and know you agree ... too bad so many think we are above every other country and culture in the history of the world though. I guess they all thought that, until it happened to them

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
39. Agreed. When I was small someone taught me that pride goes before the fall. Those in this nation
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

who are afraid or too proud to look at our errors and just want to teach that we are perfect are priming us for the fall. I hope that people like us here on DU are able to stop it before it is too late.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
38. Will we see crowds cheer about the rise of fascism, as we did in news reels of the 30's in Germany?
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 08:28 AM
Jun 2012

Yes I think its possible.How can we stop this? I am really scared because
there are Democrats that wont vote.
After seeing the results in Wisconsin and what millions of dollars can do..yep I am really scared.

malaise

(269,151 posts)
36. Thankfully people eventually fight back
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jun 2012

because neo-Nazis, white supremacists and racists Teabagger ReTHUGs are now openly parading their views.

 

Zax2me

(2,515 posts)
40. Add that debt to the tangible 15+trillion we owe elsewhere.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:52 AM
Jun 2012

foreign govts.... Social Security trust fund....
We are a screwed debtor nation all the way around.

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