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LVZ

(937 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:23 PM Jun 2016

Constitution Legal Question - Can a US Senator concurrently serve as Vice President?



A big disadvantage of asking Elizabeth Warren (Massachusetts) or Sherrod Brown (Ohio) to run as VP, is that their Senate replacement would be appointed by a Republican Governor, potentially handing the Senate majority to Republicans.

As strictly a "legal" matter, I cannot find any constitutional prohibition against dual service as US Senator and US Vice President.

As a negotiating tactic, could Elizabeth Warren retain her Senate seat until the Republican Governor of Massachusetts agreed to appoint a Democratic replacement and not a Republican?

She might have to abstain on all voting in the Senate (while still being influential) but this would only be a negotiating tactic so that would be mostly irrelevant.

I am simply asking, would this be "legal"? If not can someone cite specific law that prohibits such dual-service?

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Constitution Legal Question - Can a US Senator concurrently serve as Vice President? (Original Post) LVZ Jun 2016 OP
Nope. Unambiguously prohibited. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #1
Mass isn't a swing state, but Penna is. MrScorpio Jun 2016 #2
Is the Governor's appointment until the next Senate election for that seat? How many years for each? leveymg Jun 2016 #3
The state just needs to change it's laws on vacancies again. hughee99 Jun 2016 #4
Well, not so "unambiguous" as it refers to "appointment to" and not "elected to" n/t LVZ Jun 2016 #5
. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #8
Nope. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #6
A Senator who can't vote is no Senator at all jmowreader Jun 2016 #7
Might be a problem Old Codger Jun 2016 #9
No. Article 1 Section 6 Clause 2 yellowcanine Jun 2016 #10

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
2. Mass isn't a swing state, but Penna is.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jun 2016

Either way, they'd have to fill the seat.


Personally, I'd go with a Latino from the West.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. Is the Governor's appointment until the next Senate election for that seat? How many years for each?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

We're assuming, of course, that we retake the Senate.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
4. The state just needs to change it's laws on vacancies again.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

If I remember right, we had a republican governor and they had to change the law to require a special election and block the governor from appointing someone in the meantime. I think that was when Kerry was running for President. Then, just a few years later, Ted Kennedy died and they changed the law again to allow a Dem governor to appoint someone immediately. Now that we have a republican governor again, they just need to change the law again (for the 3rd time in 12 years) to block a republican appointment. I think it would all just be easier if they wrote into law that Dem governors can appoint someone to fill a vacancy and republican governors must wait for a special election to be held, because that's the de-facto policy anyway.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
8. .
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016
"no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office."

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
6. Nope.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

The Vice President has the power to cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate (to act as the 101st Senator in that case), and to be both a voting Senator and the tie-breaker would be an obvious conflict of interest. And the Constitution prohibits it anyhow: "No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office."

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
7. A Senator who can't vote is no Senator at all
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

We need her where she is, and she doesn't want the job.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
9. Might be a problem
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jun 2016

With the fact that as VP she is also president of the senate and casts any tie breaking votes, not sure how that would impact the idea..

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
10. No. Article 1 Section 6 Clause 2
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

Clause 2: Independence from the executive[edit]
Main article: Ineligibility Clause
See also: Saxbe fix
No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

Senators and Representatives may not simultaneously serve in Congress and hold a position in the executive branch. This restriction is meant to protect legislative independence by preventing the president from using patronage to buy votes in Congress. It is a major difference from the political system in the British Parliament, where cabinet ministers are required to be members of parliament.

Furthermore, Senators and Representatives cannot resign to take newly created or higher-paying political positions; rather, they must wait until the conclusion of the term for which they were elected. If Congress increases the salary of a particular officer, it may later reduce that salary to permit an individual to resign from Congress and take that position (known as the Saxbe fix). The effects of the clause were discussed in 1937, when Senator Hugo Black was appointed an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court with some time left in his Senate term. Just prior to the appointment, Congress had increased the pension available to Justices retiring at the age of seventy. It was therefore suggested by some that the office's emolument had been increased during Black's Senatorial term, and that therefore Black could not take office as a Justice. The response, however, was that Black was fifty-one years old, and would not receive the increased pension until at least 19 years later, long after his Senate term had expired.

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