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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas anyone else seen this map?
http://www.electoral-vote.com/I can't speak to the veracity of it, I was sent the link by my brother (Republican). I did go into the FAQs to see how they derive their map, but again, can't speak to the veracity.
Yes, it's a long way until November, but why would President Obama even be close enough to Romney for any reasoning to make it look like he's behind?
Which polls do you use?
First of all, only neutral pollsters are used. Pollsters whose primary business is helping Democrats or Republicans get elected are not used. They tend to make their horse look better. When there are multiple polls for a race, the most recent poll is always used. The middle date of the polling period is what counts (not the release date). If other polls have middle polling dates within a week of the most recent one, they are all averaged together. This tends to smooth out variations.
What algorithm formula) is used to compute the map?
In 2004, we ran three different algorithms. The main page just used the most recent poll. The second algorithm averaged three days' worth of polls using only the nonpartisan pollsters. The third one included a mathematical formula for predicting how undecided voters would break based on historical data. The second one was most stable and gave the best final result, so this time a slight variation of it is used: The most recent poll is always used, and, if any other polls were taken within a week of it, they are all averaged together. This method tends to give a more stable result, so the colors don't jump all over the place due to one unusual poll.
Should I believe poll results?
Sometimes, but keep in mind the effects of methodology, undersampled demographic groups, and constantly changing public opinion.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)Michigan going Republican is about as likely as me crapping out a brick of solid gold. If you check the polling data for MI, you'll find that the last poll had Obama by 15. That's the sort of accuracy you can expect when you blindly take every poll result no matter how unlikely.
Wounded Bear
(58,713 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)I didn't think there was any way that Scott Walker could keep his job either, but he's still there.
Hopefully whatever poll they were using that shows the President losing in MI is an anomaly.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)The latest poll in Minnesota has the President up by 15, but the latest Michigan poll has him down by 1.
Lots of time to go, but it really shouldn't be close at all.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Average of polls is Obama by six. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/mi/michigan_romney_vs_obama-1811.html
1monster
(11,012 posts)These numbers are not current or accurate.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)I don't like the numbers either, but I'm not sure it serves Democrats well to assume anything.
These numbers may be way off, but they do appear to be the most current (except for polls run by the parties themselves).
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Ive read about a dozen of your recent posts on other threads and its clear to me that your name would be more accurate if it said "sickofthe99pct".
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)There are some issues that IMO, are party neutral. You're welcome to your own opinion, and are free to disagree with me, as I am with you.
That doesn't mean that I'm not a loyal Democrat who wants to see President Obama re-elected. And I do become concerned when I see many people taking it for granted that his re-election will be a cakewalk. Many of us, me included, thought that Scott Walker's recall would be hands down, foregone conclusion. We were wrong.
If the fact that I don't agree with every person on this board on every single issue doesn't meet with your approval, too bad. We're not automatons.
kelly1mm
(4,734 posts)all you need to do is look at the threads from last Tuesday before about 9:30 pm ET on the WI recall. Full of chest puffing and fist bumping. The election is a lot closer (popular vote, we are looking a bit better EC wise) than many here would like to believe and breeds complacency.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I havent noticed one yet.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)On electing Democrats, especially the President, on women's rights, on gay rights, on unions, on taxing the rich, on public education, on Social Security, on Medicare, need I go on?
If that's not enough for you, again, too bad.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)A lot of wishful thinking in both instances.
DavidDvorkin
(19,486 posts)is that he seems to assign each state based on most recent state poll. He doesn't evaluate the polls or average the last few. So an outlier poll, or a biased one, can flip a state.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)I think they only average polls for the states that don't have one on the day a poll comes out for another state (does that make sense?) I would think averaging all of the polls would be more accurate, especially in close states that might go back and forth every day or so.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)I know there was the one EPIC poll that had Romney up 1, but that's an outlier. Most polls have shown Obama up by an average of roughly 8 points. Their polls have consistently been better for Romney in Michigan than other pollsters.
Also, I'd have Ohio a lean Obama state. Again, most polls there show an Obama lead, albeit a small one that could flip the other way easily.
If you switch those two over to the Obama column as you should, you'd see Obama with a 297-206 advantage.
Nate Silver's map (not the New York Times' political desk's map) is the most accurate one, I believe.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)For Michigan that would be the EPIC poll.
A much better map would be Pollsters or RCP as they use aggregates.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Sugarcoated
(7,728 posts)Google the screen name people.