What the stinking media is saying about islamic terrorism

This is a horrific hate crime

brings it up the same way they do against Muslims.

Not everything Muslims do is based on religion the way not everything Christians and Jews do is based on religion. But, somehow in the USA most people can't or won't open their eyes to that.

The Secretary of State who said that was born Jewish, raised as a Roman Catholic and converted to the Church of England's brand of Christianity.

So, what did malaise say that bothers you so?

Oh, wait. It's Octafish. Everything has to do with everything.

So, what did malaise write? Or is that asking too much of Dreamer Tatum?

Just asking. No need to get angry. Violent people bother me.

you'll see that an entire thread was started by Malaise, dismissing this as a hate crime.

Maybe you haven't yet seen it, or maybe it was planted by the Bush Cabal.

Meanwhile, it's emerging that the shooter pledged allegiance to ISIL.

So, there's that.

Error is mine. Apologies.

Thanks for the explanation.

that provides great information.

If you don't like what he posts, don't go into those threads; don't deny the rest of use from viewing it.

n/t

Gays in places where the more radical, fundamentalist varieties of Islam hold sway get thrown off of rooftops, etc.

Extremism against the LGBTQ community is not the sole domain of Islam. Christians do it too.

please not one of 'those places'.

in another culture on line and limit interaction with those with other beliefs to the barest minimum.

Was born and raised in Illinois? Places right here in the US that still manage to breed hateful, religious maniacs?

(Including plenty of Christian domestic terrorists)

I do not think the two can be separated.

As far as I know... most radical religions do not like gay people, do not like women, do not like anyone different than themselves. And are hell bent on getting people to bend to their will through violence and fear.

Actually, I think that my reasoning is much more open than to anyone claiming it is one or the other. They go hand in hand, imho.

At the core, people are taught that the all-powerful God to be worshiped and obeyed hates gays. Then these people think "who are these people to disobey the commandments of God almighty?". And once they start down that road, it gets ugly because the fundie truly believes they are doing God's will.

radicalized. Just because victims are LGBT does not mean it is not terrorism. The common thread is targeting people they hate. Soft targets. Maximum kill. Maximum fear.

I will wait to see further, but I do not believe it can so easily be called a hate crime while leaving the possibility of terrorism off the table.

If the killer wanted to put fear into the LGBT community to advance his view of what is acceptable in society, it's terrorism and a hate crime.

I've been listening for only a half hour, I haven't seen anything about his religion or what indicated that Islam was involved

thx in advance

... I've not seen any of this.

Thx in advance

Except, not really.

Your posts are frightening to me. You think 'upset by gay people' is an adequate explanation for the murder of 50 people in cold blood? The source of his hateful ideas is just that gay people exist?

... what you claim.

I was stating what his father said relative to the context.

Lets aim energy towards healing and fixing this shit

... not the profile of someone who would do this

scary shit

...and it appears that he was known to the FBI as a religious extremist.

Of course, motive doesn't immediately matter against the pain families are feeling across the world about this horrific act. There will be time to deconstruct motive...

People saying this zealous nutbag killed those people because of Trump or the 2A or Christians doing it too are just trying to keep up a convenient narrative. I'm sick of the disingenuous need to protect a certain religious ideology.

The whole story isn't out either. While I mourn, I will not rush to condemn an entire group of people. Failure to see and treat people as individuals is precisely one of the problems the shooter had.

irony semi-intended.

for killing another human being... much less 50.

Only....it has everything to do with a religion that teaches that gay people should face death for being gay.

FBI investigation. He reminds me of the parents of the Stanford rapist making excuses and lying for their criminal son.
"This whole incident" he calls it. An incident, because sonny boy got angered by the gay! Don't blame family or faith! It's those kissing gays who caused it!

Why not to some place out in the sticks wher... oh that's right, country people(at least in TX) get their news from right-wingers and fear and hate Muslims much the same way that asshole feared and hated LGBT people.

I just don't get it and never will.

tells them that they must be better than other human beings.

and by the time they are 7 years old they have learned much of their very basics from their parents, culture and environment. For most the rest of their lives is spent reinforcing what they believe is true and right. In some cases it is taken to the extreme.

I believe most never realize what has led to their beliefs - they just go on doing what they do without examining why. Coming to this conclusion as I am going through a self-exam later in life.

should have been a responsible parent and had a talk with his son about tolerance.

My guess is that he might feel the same way.

This is hate folks.

Hate filled thugs the lot of them.

No matter what faith or corner of the Earth they hail. Conservatives are a threat to humanity.