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Part of the problem is all the violence in "entertainment" (Original Post) Equinox Moon Jun 2016 OP
hmmmm bunnies Jun 2016 #1
I suspect that the online videos of ISIS throwing gay people from buildings, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #2
I am merely bringing up an additional point Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #9
i would agree. I'm really trying to hold it in with some of the OPs today. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #32
Is the "entertainment" significantly different in Canada? jberryhill Jun 2016 #3
You are right, it is an epidemic Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #10
What is epidemic? jberryhill Jun 2016 #57
Japan is awash in it exboyfil Jun 2016 #13
This is interesting to learn Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #23
It appears that it is extremely difficult exboyfil Jun 2016 #26
Well yes but whatthehey Jun 2016 #43
What about it's suicide rate. Violence often turns inward. KittyWampus Jun 2016 #50
A healthy person can't distinguish between real and fiction. Oneironaut Jun 2016 #4
It's our national religion gratuitous Jun 2016 #5
I agree Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #7
Another thread earlier also was blaming video games One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #6
Maybe awareness and choice will help Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #8
I guess so. You are right about many of the movies these days being full of violence, One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #11
We can start and be part of the change Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #15
Right. cwydro Jun 2016 #12
That would be a different discussion Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #16
Why do some persist in believing in simple or sole reasons? uppityperson Jun 2016 #18
Who? Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #25
whatever. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #33
No, it's not. Your argument is similar to that of the fundies and I reject it. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #14
This ^ PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #17
Wow, you are way off from the point of this thread Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #20
Note that you offer no evidence to support your theory but rush to speak judgement of me. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #28
I'm sorry. I just don't understand your comments in respect to this OP thread. Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Jun 2016 #52
I don't think they were trying to make that point, but that societal acceptance of violence entertai uppityperson Jun 2016 #22
I do not agree. I'm not a religious fundamentalist. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #31
I do not think you know me at all. Eom uppityperson Jun 2016 #34
I only know what you type here. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #46
I do not do personal insults. Maybe you have me confused with another poster. uppityperson Jun 2016 #47
You make a lot of sense. It seems the apologists are wasting no time today trying to deflect MariaThinks Jun 2016 #35
I don't know what "fundies" are Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #24
Violence is acceptable entertainment. It is a problem to be sure. Not the sole cause, but uppityperson Jun 2016 #19
TY. Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #21
i don't think it's the primary problem here MariaThinks Jun 2016 #37
I don't either. uppityperson Jun 2016 #39
Your argument falls apart because our pop culture is world spanning, and homicide rates... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #27
TY for expanding the dialog Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #30
Its easy to think of it in isolation, but think of this, there are, particularly lately, a lot of... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #42
Very good point MariaThinks Jun 2016 #38
I'm constantly amazed that people aren't aware of the world beyond our borders... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #45
there must be a motive. I wonder how many are deliberately trying to deflect? MariaThinks Jun 2016 #58
Violent crime has been in decline since at least 1994. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #29
Been playing violent video games and been watching violent movies since I was a kid. vdogg Jun 2016 #36
I agree. K&R closeupready Jun 2016 #40
Gotta give the people what they want bonemachine Jun 2016 #44
"I need something to blame!" Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #48
I think it goes beyond that loyalsister Jun 2016 #49
Oh, my stars and garters, yes! TransitJohn Jun 2016 #51
it's not so much as it glorifies violence and induces it.... Locrian Jun 2016 #53
probably only insofar as it reinforces the fantasies that give the NRA its strength: MisterP Jun 2016 #54
We have been glorifying violence for years, pretty much since Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #55
"Violence" in entertainment is a white-washed, cartoonish depiction of actual violence. NuclearDem Jun 2016 #56
Right, and playing Doom makes you shoot up schools. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #59

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
2. I suspect that the online videos of ISIS throwing gay people from buildings,
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jun 2016

and crushing their heads with rocks, might have had some influence in this case.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Is the "entertainment" significantly different in Canada?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jun 2016

In what ways are movies in the United States substantially different from movies in Canada, Europe, South America or Japan?

It's not as if they are watching different stuff, since US movies dominate box offices around the world.

Do you have any factual support for the proposition that the content of entertainment differs in places with lower rates of violent crime?

Or, on the flipside, in what ways does entertainment differ in countries which have higher rates of violent crime?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
57. What is epidemic?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

Violent media is everywhere.

Rates of violence vary wildly around the world.

Those two things don't seem to have a lot to do with each other.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
23. This is interesting to learn
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

I for one, know nothing about Japanese entertainment or homicide issues. Very curious comparison that maybe we can learn something from. Do they have gun laws like ours?

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
26. It appears that it is extremely difficult
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jun 2016

for a private citizen to legally own a firearm.

With the homogenization of cultures I suspect the relative difference in most OECD countries with media violence is not that great.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
43. Well yes but
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

The Japanese reporting of homicides is a wee bit more restrictive than the rest of the world too. It does genuinely have a low rate, because it's a country with a decent social safety net, mostly homogeneous population, collectivist culture and yes low access to firearms, but it's not as low as they say. For a start that suicide rate massively higher than most places isn't really a hangover from seppuku culture; it's just a common classification used by cops investigating suspicious deaths without an easy suspect. The eye-popping conviction rate of their few murders is a clue to why.

Oneironaut

(5,506 posts)
4. A healthy person can't distinguish between real and fiction.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

The excuses for radical extremists are getting tiring at this point.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. It's our national religion
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

We are the land of the High Church of Redemptive Violence. Our society is so awash in violence that we barely even recognize it in a lot of instances. The cumulative effect is to discount violence in entertainment or diversion as not real, and of no significance to the sophisticated minds that distinguish between actual and depicted violence.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
7. I agree
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jun 2016

Being expose to violence, DAILY, in our "entertainment" will have effects on our psyche; individually and collectively. How could it not?

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
6. Another thread earlier also was blaming video games
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

Ok, so, even if that was correct, let's say it is, even though that could be debated with different studies, what is the solution?

Ban violent video games, or violent entertainment? Not gonna happen. Not in a free country, anyway.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
11. I guess so. You are right about many of the movies these days being full of violence,
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

I go to the movies a lot, and yea, almost every trailer for the big budget films has violence featured in it to a ridiculous degree.

Still, unless we are talking about some kind of utopian enlightened science fiction-like based society, I don't see how this will change any time soon.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. No, it's not. Your argument is similar to that of the fundies and I reject it.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

You have zero evidence to support your 'cleanse the culture of sin' thinking. None. You want to preserve the right of religious fuckers to berate LGBT while censoring films and books?

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
20. Wow, you are way off from the point of this thread
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jun 2016

I am merely raising a point regarding the violence in "entertainment".
Curious though, where your own thoughts brought you by my OP. The points you raise were not in this OP. You did.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. Note that you offer no evidence to support your theory but rush to speak judgement of me.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016

That's because you just want to shift discussion from religion to 'sinful culture'. Fuck that. No motion picture ever called me names. No piece of music ever rejected its own kid for being gay. People do that, religious people, straight bigoted people. Let's talk about that.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
41. I'm sorry. I just don't understand your comments in respect to this OP thread.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

I will have to leave it at that, because I don't understand. Maybe you read something in this thread I do not see. I merely am bringing up the point about violence in "entertainment".
Sorry something has offended you, that was not the intent.

Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #28)

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
22. I don't think they were trying to make that point, but that societal acceptance of violence entertai
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

entertainment is a problem too

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
31. I do not agree. I'm not a religious fundamentalist.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

But if you want to start censoring literature can we start with the ultra violent Koran and Old Testament? Of course that's not what you or the OP have in mind.

In my world, you make a point by showing evidence not by preaching a sermon.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
46. I only know what you type here.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jun 2016

You are blaming the arts for what religion does. And doing so without a shred of evidence but with lots of personal insults.

Those who can't respond to actual points of discussion should just admit they are wrong.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
47. I do not do personal insults. Maybe you have me confused with another poster.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jun 2016

I am saying there are many contributing things, including but not limited to glorification and acceptance of violence, as the OP says.
Period.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
35. You make a lot of sense. It seems the apologists are wasting no time today trying to deflect
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jun 2016

the blame from the source.

it seems that the imam that was in Orlando calling for the deaths of gay people, the man's homophobic father, the religion that says 'death to homosexuals', might be more of a factor than say 'Die Hard'.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
19. Violence is acceptable entertainment. It is a problem to be sure. Not the sole cause, but
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jun 2016

It is a problem.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
27. Your argument falls apart because our pop culture is world spanning, and homicide rates...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jun 2016

vary drastically between nations, Japan happily consumes all sorts of violent media, and is also an exporter of the same, from Movies to Video Games, yet their rates of violence are way down compared to ours. Same is true worldwide. The world absolutely loves media with lots of action and violence in it, yet the places with the most violence seem to have it linked, rather directly, with lack of social safety nets, a reactionary culture, and easy accessibility to guns.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
42. Its easy to think of it in isolation, but think of this, there are, particularly lately, a lot of...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

media we consume that isn't sourced in the United States at all.

There are quite a few TV shows and movies made in Japan and South Korea that have a lot more explicit violence than what would be allowed here for broadcast, to give an example. Similarly, a lot of TV shows and movies in Europe, particularly the UK, for English media, is much more sexually explicit, and these are prime time programs, not our equivalent to "Skinemax" or HBO produced programs. Oh, and most of them that call for violence are just as violent as American media. But in many ways, American media is actually tame in regards to both sexuality and violence compared to other parts of the world. Tarantino is considered edgy here, his movies purposefully adopt the styling of many of Japan's, and Hong Kong's media.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
45. I'm constantly amazed that people aren't aware of the world beyond our borders...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

when its relatively easy to watch a TV show produced in the UK for a British audience in prime time that is as violent and much more sexually explicit than anything on American television.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
29. Violent crime has been in decline since at least 1994.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

So by "in past years", you mean what, exactly? Since 1900?

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
36. Been playing violent video games and been watching violent movies since I was a kid.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jun 2016

Never had the urge to kill anyone.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
48. "I need something to blame!"
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jun 2016

Something, you know, easy.

This is always a fun topic on DU since going by responses on other topics that involve entertainment, nobody here watches TV or goes to the movies or listens to music, so they're the authorities on what we should be listening and watching.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
49. I think it goes beyond that
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jun 2016

US culture glorifies anger and confrontation. Daily entertainment and news media glorify conflict. The standard format for cable infotainment is to have two oppositional representatives argue. Entertainment media has devolved into reality TV where arguments are promoted, and runs series about law enforcement where people of color are overrepresented in the criminal character pools.
It has become so normalized that USAers accept the practice of people walking around brandishing guns and believe it is an unconditional right to own tools specifically designed to kill people.
When someone challenges the influence of media, I point out how old romantic movies so frequently showed violence as part of a romantic relationship and that when spousal abuse was finally taken seriously it was finally viewed as a sign of dysfunction. I think media reflects and feeds cultural acceptance and naturally perpetuates our ugliest facets.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
53. it's not so much as it glorifies violence and induces it....
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jun 2016

It's that it is ADVERTISING for guns.

24/7 advertising - for every hero wannabe that thinks guns solve problems. Because the hero always has the best guns.

It normalizes and promotes guns as solutions. It glorifies them. It shows what happens to the hero if you don't have a gun (ohhh, bet you wish you had a gun when the bad guys come). Better get a gun. Or two. Oh, what kind of gun? Web search for "what gun was used in xxx movie", etc, etc.

We've been down this path. Cigarettes anyone?

Pretty soon it becomes part of the culture, and people who have no business owning one, who have no sense of responsibility or the effort it takes to learn how to use one and be safe with it are walking around with a concealed weapon. And that "power" they feel is intoxicating - leading to willing soldiers willing to oppose any and all sensible measures that actual responsible owners should be screaming for.



MisterP

(23,730 posts)
54. probably only insofar as it reinforces the fantasies that give the NRA its strength:
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jun 2016

the millions of murderous home intruders that flee at the Holy Brandishing of the Arms, the billions of rabid coyotes and rabid Mexicans everyone's cousin's cousin has to deal with that soft urbanites know nothing of, of massacres prevented by one armed Hero--that guns are Freedom, that guns are Safety, that the first thing everyone does after a mass shooting is get more AR-15s

"Sangre por Sangre" is hugely influential among maras, but just conveys a certain sense of honor the mareros like

the real problem is that money has an absolute lock on policy, all Congress cowering like it's in the dock

only 22 states have so much as voiced objections to the national plan of "give the rich everything while

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
56. "Violence" in entertainment is a white-washed, cartoonish depiction of actual violence.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jun 2016

Violent movies, TV shows, and video games don't make people commit violent crimes anymore than Tom and Jerry turned Baby Boomers into serial cat killers.

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