I don't know why, but it just had that vibe of homophobia powered by closeted homosexuality...

I was expecting the news to break from someone he had slept with. On the other hand, if it was me, I might never want to admit having fucked him...

...and thank God for that.

I think he may have been a self-hating gay man

His father was very religious and this may have caused him to go over the edge.

Again just my opinion

you see in among Republicans a lot as well. The more someone protests LGBTQ issues/people, the more they are likely to be closeted.

was a perfect example.

And picked that place in particular

I'd suspected this

His father's house is 3 blocks from our house. There was no need to drive to Orlando - the only reason why is because he didn't want anyone in this area knowing he was gay. It's just a feeling, but I can't shake it. Especially after this report.

... it made no sense to Tomey why he would claim support for one that was fighting the other and vs versa

If this was truly a 'terrorist' attack, there were one hell of a lot of targets that would 'strike fear' into the general populace in the Orlando area.

However, the bigger question now is how is the Left going to respond to this. A major league asshole, probably a bit nuts, all wrapped up in a self-hating gay package fueled by religious (Christian, Islam, take you pick) intolerance, with easy access to guns . . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027905841

Democrat to boot.

Happens all the time ....

Look yourself up. I'm in this database. It used to be a Florida only database, but the link now takes you to this database with 13 other states included.

"CLAIM: Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen was a Democrat.

WHAT'S TRUE: Omar Mateen registered to vote as a Democrat in the state of Florida back in 2006.

WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: His U.S. political affiliation (if any) at the time of the shooting is unknown.

ORIGIN:On 12 June 2016, security guard Omar Mateen killed a reported 49 people in a mass shooting at Orlando's Pulse nightclub before he was himself shot and killed.

Among claims that spread in the immediate aftermath of the mass shooting event was a rumor that Mateen was a (registered) Democrat, with subsequent versions of that rumor surmising that Mateen was "probably a Bernie supporter" and "hated Donald Trump."

It is true that according to Florida voter registration records, Mateen did register as a Democrat in the state of Florida in 2006:


SOURCES:
Katersky, Aaron et. al. "What We Know About Omar Mateen, Suspected Orlando Nightclub Shooter."
ABC News. 12 June 2016.

Lyons, Kate. "Orlando Pulse Club Attack: Gunman Identified As Police Investigate Motive."
The Guardian. 12 June 2016.

Westbury, Anthony et. al. "Co-worker: Omar Mateen Homophobic, 'Unhinged.'"
Florida Today. 13 June 2016.

Funny. I don't see Breitbart used as a source here anywhere. Try again. Oh, and I already know what direction you're going to move the goal post in... LOL.

Some people don't even understand the difference and he clearly had some very conservative religious views he was struggling with.

Kim Davis was a Democrat until it was pointed out how that made zero sense.

Why is it so damn hard to even suggest that radical Islam might have had something to do with it on this site?

Is a hallmark of that pathology ...

Btw ... I am an atheist who is really closer to a quiet anti-theist ... I completely and utterly disagree with either Christianity, Islam, or what have you ...

I already blame these religions for many problems in the world ...

You want more from me? ... A stronger denunciation? ... I wasn't mean enough?

I mean - who the fuck are you to expect that from me? ...

Screw that ... I'll rely on my own schedule, thanks ...

Maybe not Republicans, but ISIS is just Westboro Baptist with more firepower and higher membership.

Seattle Man Confesses to Gay Couple's Murder As 'Vengeance' for Iraq, Syria
A Seattle man has confessed to killing three people in Washington, including a gay couple in Seattle, saying he committed the murders as an act of revenge against American military actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Ali Muhammad Brown, 29, had already been charged in the June murder of Ahmed Said, 27, and Dwone Anderson-Young, 23, who were gunned down after responding to a dating application meet up request Brown allegedly lured the men with, according to court documents. After police officials circulated Brown's photo as a suspect, he reportedly fled to New Jersey, where he shot and killed 19-year-old college student Brendan Tevlin. He was charged in that incident, but has pleaded not guilty.

And on Wednesday, prosecutors in King County, Wash., charged Brown with the point-blank shooting death of Leroy Henderson, a 30-year-old resident of Skyway, Wash., reports the Times.
http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/08/23/seattle-man-confesses-gay-couples-murder-vengeance-iraq-syria

actual fact that challenges the assumptions you are making. I note you make zero comment about the other killer. None at all. Silence.

I do not know more than that.

What you are doing here is sickening and that goes for the OP as well.

If that's not bigotry I don't know what is. Yeah, those who murder gay people are bigots. Accept that.

I don't think anyone has said he actually was in a relationship with them.

It's predictable.

At the club before or contacted him in the app.

None of these people have said there was any relationship.

West Palm Beach is less than 50 miles away. Heck Ft Lauderdale is closer than Orlando.

I think he chose Orlando because it was further away from his family. No-one would know him there.

so logical nor even decent to promote. I find this to be despicable.

Why choose a gay club in Orlando when there are clubs in this area??

My reason is that if one of his family members saw him coming out of the club they would get angry.

He could also be gay. Why is that so wrong to question??

The man had no idea what the difference was between ISIS, Al Qaeda or the Taliban. This may have been a ruse for his family.

What do you say about that?

I say a criminal cased a place and then attacked it. You want to blame LGBT people to protect his fucked up faith.

You are part of the problem. This place sucks so badly.

He may not have wanted family members knowing he was gay. Why?? Because their faith does not condone gay people. I think the father's own statements yesterday make this really clear.

That's as ridiculous as blaming all Muslims. And nobody is doing either.

Mentioning his statements about ISIS doesn't infer all Muslims are to blame. Or all men are to blame. Or any other category he can be placed in.

Every time someone commits a hate crime against a gay person or gay people, there are threads about how the violent hateful person must really be gay. Every single time. So yeah, over time, gay people have been blamed for pretty much every hate crime against gay people.

Amazing isn't it?

and also to disneyland to scope out as targets...doubt this means he was in the closet. Too easy to jump to the conclusion that every murderer is a self-loathing gay man.

Because she mentioned to police this club specifically and Disneyland as potential targets...if this is true and she knew the purpose, she's in deep doo-doo

I wonder what that means.

to get the real story.

I hope you make yourself happy doing this.

By dismissing this out of hand, you may be ignoring justice for the LGBT community.

You DO realize that social dating apps for both men, women, straights and gays have been used to lure victims for rape, assault, robbery and worse, right?

IF HE WAS using an app to victimize members of the LGBT community that we don;t know about, HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PUTTING ANYTHING ON THE VICTIMS?

He could still have very well been a heterosexual killer taking advantage of an app to do his bidding.

What "collective responsibility" am I shuffling off to the victims? Please, go ahead and show me.

Your implication is fucking offensive by the way, and if you follow it up with more snark, this conversation ends.

Because otherwise, this is you: "Gee, there's this whole part he wrote that Mateen may have been murdering or abusing gay men prior to the shooting using this app and the club's registry and he did say he might be a straight serial killer............... BUT IM GOING TO IGNORE THAT AND SCREAM THIS POST WAS ABOUT HIS SEX LIFE BECAUSE I JUST GOT FUCKING EMBARRASSED AND DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT AND I NEED TO CONVINCE MYSELF PROUDTOBEBLUEINRHODY IS A HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!


Have a good day. We're done here.

so it is a possibility he was gay. The story will come out as time goes on.

And if it turns out that this man was a closeted gay man, it's another example of homophobia killing. It doesn't make the tragedy less tragic. It doesn't make the victims less blameless.

For what it's worth, I'm a 46 year old gay man.

is closeted and self loathing to the point where he kills himself and/or others, not to mention the gun aspect. One person shouldn't be able to kill 50 people so easily.

Nobody is saying that members of the LGBT community are inherently prone to flying off the handle and trying to kill other people.

The point is he may have been gay and hated himself for it. He certainly wouldn't be the first person who'd rather be dead than be gay or lesbian.

But it's not their sexual orientation that's the real problem; rather, something in their environment that makes them feel ashamed and makes them scared to admit their sexual orientation. In his case, he had a very devout Muslim father - who said today that it's up to God and not anyone else to punish homosexuals - so he clearly doesn't approve.

Even if he was gay, I'd blame the religious influence rather than his orientation. The pledge of support to ISIS might have just been a way for him to cover up his true intentions.

..or then again, he might have just been a religious fundamentalist nutjob who thought he'd get a special place in the after life for killing members of the LGBT community.

Every troll on this site says so.

But I did see something on Snopes about it too

http://www.snopes.com/orlando-shooter-was-democrat/

WHAT'S TRUE: Omar Mateen registered to vote as a Democrat in the state of Florida back in 2006.

WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: His U.S. political affiliation (if any) at the time of the shooting is unknown.

It's not that he was a Democrat; its that it would be like shooting one's foot to be a member of the Republican party that hates you.

No proof, but gossip seemed to work okay for some. The RWing blovating machine loved it.

This sick fuck may have been a serial killer.

49 murdered
53 injured

I mean, come on....you know what I meant. What a nitpick post.

I wasn't nitpicking

Sorry that I offended you

I didn't mean to

No worries.

And more and more like a (horrific) hate crime

He denied being gay until the very end. That was his final cover.

And revealed himself to having allegiance to ISIS

Hezbollah... Mortal enemy of ISIS. The "Islamic" part of his terrorism was basically an afterthought.

It was all a cover for his self-loathing, homophobic hate.

But the point of is that swearing allegiance to both ISIS and Hezbollah makes no sense since they are fighting each other.

This was an anti-gay hate crime in a thin "righteous Islamic" wrapping.

When his father said he was Muslim, when others said he was Muslim, so many (some of the same people) were quick to say "rumor" it just isn't true. He couldn't be, he was drinking, in a gay club... and other No True Scotsman fallacies. Now, the possibility he is a closeted gay based on SECOND HAND information, and suddenly, it is "truth to power" and "makes more sense."

This was terrorism by an adherent of Islamic State.

for your blood thirsty sake.

...

You are such a one note fraud. All you care about is your protected group on the hierarchy of oppression scale is free from any criticism.

You also claimed Paris wasn't a terror attack, and were nowhere to be found when it was proven it was.

Jury, you want to hide me? If you do you're contributing to the biggest joke on the board. This guy is a FRAUD.

Yet you save your vitriol for me in particular. I do appreciate the attention. Its nice to feel wanted.

So do you agree with Barney Frank that certain people within the "Islamic Element" should be under surveillance?

Gay and Jewish? Fuck, those are WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY down on philo's hierarchy as we all know.

Are you going to admit Paris was a terrorist attack now by the way, just for the record?

in additional to being mentally ill, this killer was at war with his own feelings:

1. His reaction to seeing men kissing was unusually irate / emotional to the point where his dad remembered it 2 months later.

2. Reports are that he expressed a lot of anger/hatred towards women.

3. Peer reviewed studies have shown that men with extreme homophobia have the biggest sexual arousal/erections in response to being shown gay porn.

Women than gay men.

women but a lot of different groups.

speaking from personal experience, but I just found this study:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886901001179


"The purpose of the present study was to determine whether homophobia reflects a specific negative sentiment towards gay men or whether it incorporates a broader anti-feminine disposition. As such, convergent validity (i.e. masculinity, anti-feminine attitudes) and discriminant validity (i.e. alcoholism, sexual coercion, depression, and trait anxiety) were investigated. Participants were 385 heterosexual males who completed a questionnaire battery. Results offer information relative to convergent and discriminant validity of homophobia. Findings suggest that homophobia is related to heightened levels of masculinity and may develop in men who feel threatened by individuals whom they perceive to have feminine characteristics (e.g. women, gay men). Consequently, it is possible that such a threat-driven homophobic constitution may explain the increased likelihood of anti-gay and anti-women aggression."

I wonder if he had any relationships... that would further clarify things.

If there is evidence of this, we follow it.

Just because he used these things to his advantage doesn't mean he was gay.

He may have used them to abuse and kill others. SHOULD WE NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT OR THOSE POSSIBLE VICTIMS?

If he was gay, SO WHAT?

It's likely his religion and nutty father's upbringing is what made him conflicted because that's what religion does. Guilt, shame....

"oh, no, not possible it's one or the other no ISIS wannabe could be gay or conflicted" is what it sounds like from some of you.

He'd rather be known as an Islamic terrorist than a gay man, maybe? HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT?

Religion does that. It does it to many Christians and we have NO PROBLEM calling that out too!

No mistake, he HATED those people in the club. FREE PEOPLE. FREE PEOPLE LIVING THEIR LIVES AND NOT CARING WHO KNOWS IT.

Regardless of who and what made him, he HATED THAT and THEM.

... of the extremism that were fighting each other over the phone in multiple calls to 911.

I don't see if he was gay diminish the fact that this was a horrid hate crime ... hell, plenty of black folk hate black folk and black culture (see Clarence Thomas)

He went to a mosque multiple times a week, and travelled to Saudi Arabia for the minor pilgrimmage. But that doesn't make him a radical jihadist. FBI is still looking into it, so I guess we will know more eventually.

I don't think it matters one bit what the hell he did sexually or not. He was an Islamic State adherent who killed a bunch of people.