It's sad.

This is a fundamental problem expecting that prior restraint using categorical lists will prevent all tragic gun deaths... no one can really predict who will behave recklessly in storing or using a gun or who will at some point turn murderous.

as a requirement for being able to legally own guns.

Radicalized fundamentalist terrorists aren't born that way, they turn that way,
People seeking revenge (going Postal) don't start out that way
People can and do get mental illnesses at all ages, they mostly don't start out that way.

There's no way looking forward to know -who- and -when- the sorts of things will emerge. The past is a good predictor of the future when the past behavior is dangerous/threatening, but unless past problems exist people will get passed beyond screenings into a realm where their absence on a list is useless in trying to tell who of those with a clean past will turn dangerous in the future.

The lists are in that respect something of a false reassurance.

Just "parents" who leave loaded guns where toddlers can get them.

I know it only addresses a tiny part of the issue, but at least it's a place to start.

I've been reading the interminable threads until I'm ready to puke.

I don't know why I torture myself reading these boards when the subject of guns comes up.

Those who are wise enough not to have them.

Things change. It's is true while it is.

Really?

This country already has the highest rate of incarceration in the world.

You want to cut the police loose to arrest and jail whoever they want to forget charges, trials, and rights.

Are you ok living with that rule if Trump is in charge?

Ask folks in Ferguson what they think about that idea.

People, think about the consequences before tossing away some of these rights so lightly.

I hope you support it like the firearms manufacturers do.

child of color shoots him or herself or somebody else, the parents get charged. If they're white, it's a horrible accident and nothing further is done. Ho hum, another dead child. Who cares as long as the ammosexuals have unfettered access to their toys.

This country sucks.

That's all you got? Are you a "My Country Right or Wrong" cheerleader? You sound positively Nixonian, lol. Besides, I'm Ojibwe so I cant "go back to where I came from."

Here:

USA, USA, USA, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




There, feel better now?

in some of these posts.

I am astounded at the lack of thought going into much of what is being said.

fwiw - I started on the staff of a democratic governor 35 years ago. So many then had been through brutal fights for rights and the court system is what made things possible. Now, everyone is just running headlong to give away those rights and legal protections.

Since you have more anonymous posts on a website? Never understood this attitude regarding new DU members. Are the opinions of those Dems less worthy than the opinion of other Dems?

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RIP, little Jayden.

and take their other kids away. If you're going to be that much of a dumbass in the name of freedumb, then you get to pay a big price when you take away the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from your own child because of your dumbfuckery.

My daughter is 4. That and the fact that it seems like I read a story about these types of asshats every god damn day makes my blood boil.

Start holding these fucking people accountable. Or is that too an impingement on freedumb and the terrorist win/Sharia law tomorrow?

Your gun finds its way into a child's hands and the child kills or injures himself or someone else, the gun owner is deemed to be an irresponsible gun owner for negligently securing his weapon, does a three to five year stretch, and is prohibited from owning or possessing firearms for ten years on a first offense. Second offense is seven to ten years and permanently prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

I'm willing to discuss whether the penalties are too mild or too harsh, but we really need to have some regulations and laws in place to address this situation of children getting their hands on firearms, even when they're ordered very strictly not to touch them, ever.

But they are rarely enforced.

...no unconstitutional tyranny for him...

Absolutely right

No excuse whatsoever for leaving a gun where a child can get to it.

The parent's willful negligence led to the child's death. I feel the same way about kids in hot cars.

but I submit that publicly nailing the parents to the wall may be more effective. I say that as one who is, for around here at least, pro-gun.

Thanks for the welcome, and the link!

is the correct and applicable law in most states.

unless it was habitually left laying around. If it were, I would argue for depraved indifference.

I wish they would at least prosecute the parents when this sort of thing happens. If you're going to claim to be a "responsible gun owner" than take responsibility.

...infuriate me most of all. There is no excuse for this.

No accident here. This is negligence, plain and simple. End of story.

THANK YOU, YOU GUN HUMPING PIECES OF SHIT

Anyone with a kid needs to keep their damn guns under lock and key. That, of course, defeats all their bed wetting over terrorists breaking into the house in the middle of the night. First you have to wake up, gather your thoughts, find the key to the gun safe, open the safe, get the gun, find the ammunition, load the gun and then - hopefully - determine the intruder isn't your drunk neighbor staggering into the wrong house. The parents should be prosecuted because the kid is only dead because they were negligent.

There are quite a few of them out there, which just underscores the negligence in this case.

As I said above, I agree that the parents should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

in a box on the shelf for 10 years I sold it. I doubt my paranoia will reach a level that requires me to buy another so I would have no use for a safe, rapid access or otherwise.

You can get one at Costco for $50.

I don't own one, because I have no home-defense concerns. All of my firearms are trigger-locked inside a safe, with the ammo in a different safe.

A kid's life ought to be worth $50.

Four year old boys do!